Truth lost? Most military records of Bangladesh war missing

[leonblack08]

You know that the most part of the original justice Hamoodur commission report was also destroyed by ZA Bhutto, the Soviet stooge. That original report talked about Indian hybrid war in details.

I didn't know about that. Do you have any draft available? If not can you share the details as far as you can recall?

 

[Old School]

I didn't know about that. Do you have any draft available? If not can you share the details as far as you can recall?

I am actually writing a book on it.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lol. Really? War Crimes Tribunal in Hague? I guess because we couldn't time travel to a court established in the 1990s or early 2000s for crimes committed in 1971.
We don't have evidence of either Balakot or F16 being shot down - I agree. Enough evidence for 71 is available. Just Google it.

But you conveniently forget, that even in the late 1990s, the War Crime Tribunal in the Hague was punishing Nazis for war crimes committed during World War 2...............they could do this because they had GENUINE evidence............so WHERE is the GENUINE evidence that Pakistan committed atrocities in bangladesh in 1971?...........

I absolutely don't believe in the 3 million number that has been propagated in Bangladesh since 1971. That number was pitched for only political reasons, with a hidden agenda.

However, for someone like you, who believes there was no atrocity done by Pakistan Army in 1971, I suggest you start with reading the Chief Justice Hamoodur Rahman Commission report. It was set up by the Pakistan Government after the war in 1971. An excerpt from the report-

"13. Still another significant statement came from Brigadier Mian Taskeenuddin (Witness No. 282): "Many junior and other officers took the law into their own hands to deal with the so-called miscreants. There have been cases of interrogation of miscreants that were far more severe in character than normal and in some cases blatantly in front of the public. The discipline of the Pakistani army as was generally understood had broken down. In a command area (Dhoom Ghat) between September and October miscreants were killed by firing squads. On coming to know about it I stopped the same forthwith."
https://www.thedailystar.net/sites/default/files/upload-2014/freedomintheair/pdf/Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report_Dawn (1).pdf

Atrocities were committed by both parties. Neither the Mukti Bahini nor the Pakistan army can claim to not have blood on their hands. We need to acknowledge it and forgive each other to move on.

IF the above evidence is genuine, then why didn't the bangladeshi government present those findings to the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague in order to punish Pakistan?

 

[Old School]

Very unlikely it happened at that time. Maybe several years later; first Jagjit Arora retired, then Jake was transferred out (he came back as GOC-in-C just before retiring).

Something funny about this account. All the camps were run by the Home Ministry, under an officer whom we all knew. The only records in Fort William could have been details of training given, and of the individual officers detailed for liaison, such as Shabeg Singh, who got into a lot of hot water, crossing over with his trainees on more than one occasion. Until November, it seems that the orders were very clear: scandal was to be avoided at all costs, although everyone and his uncle knew that the provisional Bangladesh government was esconced in a building on Theatre Road.

Anyway, it is a fact, it was widely reported at the time, that the military records were found missing. My guess is that it happened during the tenure of N. C. Rawlley, who came in between Arora and Jake. I would like to believe so, for various reasons. Jake was given to exaggeration, but I don't think he would tell an outright lie.

PS: Interesting you should mention P. N. Haksar. He fell out of favour very soon after Bangladesh, Sanjay Gandhi disliked him intensely. D. P. Dhar sounds likelier; he had a finger in the Bangladesh pie, and oversaw a cabinet minister going to meet the Bangladeshi provisional government, to reassure them on several counts. He also lasted quite long, and outlived Sanjay Gandhi.

Civil servants rule India for the good and the worst unlike Pakistan and Bangladesh. I am a close observer of Indian bureaucracy too. Let us leave it there for now. We will come back to that matter again.
What is your take on the Indian hybrid war on Pakistan which created Bangladesh ? India's role in the coup which killed Mujib on 15 August 1975 ?

 

[Jackdaws]

But you conveniently forget, that even in the late 1990s, the War Crime Tribunal in the Hague was punishing Nazis for war crimes committed during World War 2...............they could do this because they had GENUINE evidence............so WHERE is the GENUINE evidence that Pakistan committed atrocities in bangladesh in 1971?...........







IF the above evidence is genuine, then why didn't the bangladeshi government present those findings to the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague in order to punish Pakistan?

Isn't Bangladesh holding its own Crimes Tribunal? Why don't you go to Hague and stop the Tribunal if no atrocities were committed?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Isn't Bangladesh holding its own Crimes Tribunal? Why don't you go to Hague and stop the Tribunal if no atrocities were committed?

Because the War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague isn't even investigating the allegations against Pakistani Army actions in 1971, let alone executing a case against them. The War Crimes Tribunal in bangladesh more like the indian propaganda freak show. Nothing else.

 

[Jackdaws]

Because the War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague isn't even investigating the allegations against Pakistani Army actions in 1971, let alone executing a case against them. The War Crimes Tribunal in bangladesh more like the indian propaganda freak show. Nothing else.

So why doesn't Pak take Bd to ICJ and stop that "freak show"?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So why doesn't Pak take Bd to ICJ and stop that "freak show"?

The "freak show" has 0 effect or impact on Pakistan. At MOST all it will result in is more bangladeshis executing other bangladeshis. A bit like 1971. Nothing more.

 

[Jackdaws]

The "freak show" has 0 effect or impact on Pakistan. At MOST all it will result in is more bangladeshis executing other bangladeshis. A bit like 1971. Nothing more.

Yes. 1971 had 0 effect or impact on Pakistan. True.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes. 1971 had 0 effect or impact on Pakistan. True.

That's like saying 1947 had 0 impact on india.......................in both cases, people who were racially, genetically, culturally and historically different to one another got their own homeland. Which is ultimately a good thing.

 

[Jackdaws]

That's like saying 1947 had 0 impact on india.......................in both cases, people who were racially, genetically, culturally and historically different to one another got their own homeland. Which is ultimately a good thing.

Lol. Who said 47 had 0 impact on India?

 

[KhanBaba2]

I didn't know about that. Do you have any draft available? If not can you share the details as far as you can recall?

The supplementary report can be found at https://web.archive.org/web/2012030...Acrobat/Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report.pdf

 

[leonblack08]

IF the above evidence is genuine, then why didn't the bangladeshi government present those findings to the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague in order to punish Pakistan?

It's very clear from this post of yours that you are arguing just for the sake of arguing without putting any thoughts.

First of all, that was a Pakistani Govt. Report, so there is absolutely NO doubt on whether it is genuine or not.

Secondly, Bangladeh and Pakistan relationship started towards reconciliation since 1974 OIC meeting in Lahore, where Sheikh Mujib went to initiate the reconciliation with Pakistan. Since his death, the subsequent govt. Were all friendly with Pakistan. Even the Sheikh Hasina govt., Who uses 1971 as a political tool domestically but overall had warm relationship with Pakistan. Can you imagine what would happen if any govt would have started a complaint with ICC? Or do I need to explain that to you too?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lol. Who said 47 had 0 impact on India?

That's for another discussion.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Civil servants rule India for the good and the worst unlike Pakistan and Bangladesh. I am a close observer of Indian bureaucracy too. Let us leave it there for now. We will come back to that matter again.
What is your take on the Indian hybrid war on Pakistan which created Bangladesh ? India's role in the coup which killed Mujib on 15 August 1975 ?

In one post on PDF? All of this?