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Two books written by President Trump in 2000 and 2015 help to explain why he has been remarkably secretive about the instructions that he gave to two Cabinet members and his three closest White House economic advisors for two days of talks in Beijing. The secrecy has succeeded and may have resulted in an initial Trump victory Friday, without provoking a widely dreaded “trade war.”

The two biggest reasons for the secrecy are not so secret: Clearly, President Trump does not want his Chinese counterpart, President Xi, to lose face because he needs Xi’s help now more than ever as the final phases of the North Korean summit are negotiated. China can help close the deal on the date, the place and the initial terms to which North Korea's chairman, Kim Jong-un, must agree. So, this is the worst time for an open split between the U.S. and China over trade friction. The president wisely calculated that a joint, seamless China-America approach now will add to the impact of his "maximum pressure" sanctions on North Korea that are approaching a near-total blockade in effectiveness.

The other reason for secrecy — a much bigger one — is to tactfully play down the boldness of President Trump’s demands for dramatic Chinese concessions that will painfully challenge all the core elements of China’s economic system and its links to the constitution of the Communist Party. If you consider the reverse image, it’s like a Chinese delegation of cabinet secretaries arriving in Washington and giving the U.S. two years to amend our Constitution and to give up our free-market economy.

This is not a new idea that his advisers recently pushed on him; President Trump’s ideas about China date back nearly two decades.

Trump’s concern with China dates back to a book he published in 2000 that stated, “in the long term China is our biggest challenge.” He returned to this theme in another book he published in 2015 called “Crippled America,” where he argued that, “As a matter of global American global policy, we want to take away China’s advantages.” He then laid out how to persuade China to do that: “When dealing with China, we need to tell them its bad business to take advantage of your best customer.”

Unfortunately, someone in the president’s delegation or the Chinese side has revealed to American reporters in Beijing what some of the president’s negotiating demands were. Still, the leak may have ensured in the long run that the talks have succeeded by educating the Chinese about exactly what President Trump wants.

China confined its public view to one restrained, curt comment that “big differences” remained as the U.S. government delegation headed out of town a few hours later.

The leaked American demands included fundamental revisions in how the Chinese leadership manages foreign trade and its economy, including purchasing vastly more American exports in order to reduce at least $200 billion from the total U.S. trade deficit with China by 2020.

Some of the Chinese negotiators’ demands were also leaked — namely, a demand that, at the World Trade Organization in Geneva, the U.S. drop its legal complaint over China’s licensing terms for foreign patent holders and immediately designate China a market economy, among a total of “eight points.”

The U.S. team publicly relied on a White House statement today that called the talks “frank.”

The White House deliberately referred to a “consensus” among the Americans, which contradicts many Chinese articles in the past week that mocked the friction among Peter Navarro, Larry Kudlow, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer. Shrewdly, the White House added: “There is consensus within the administration that immediate action is needed to bring changes to the United States-China trade and investment relationship.”

One Chinese joked with me today that this statement obfuscates fierce divisions that China knows exist within the U.S. team, between hard-liners and free-trade advocates. “They fight more with themselves than with China,” he laughed.

The U.S. briefing paper that at first leaked on the social-media site Weibo was deleted by Chinese government censors.

The U.S. side apparently demanded that China:

1.) drop its tariffs to match lower U.S. levels;

2.) eliminate limits on U.S. investment in specific industries;

3.) end cyberattacks on U.S. targets;

4.) strengthen intellectual property safeguards, and

5.) halt subsidies for advanced technology industries.

Sticking to President Trump’s script, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin correctly accentuated the positive when he told reporters that the two sides were having “very good conversations,” according to Reuters.

President Trump’s two books, in 2000 and 2015, warned that China is a tough negotiator, so it presumably was no surprise for the president to learn today that the talks had ended without any deal.

“The two sides fully exchanged views on expanding U.S. exports to China, bilateral trade in services, two-way investment, protection of intellectual property rights, resolution of tariffs and non-tariff measures, and reached consensus in some areas,” the Chinese government news agency Xinhua reported. “The two sides recognized that there are still big differences on some issues and that they need to continue to step up their work and make more progress.”

Xinhua reported that both sides agreed to establish a “working mechanism” to maintain close communication on the issues discussed in the talks.

The document supplied by the American delegation to the Chinese side ahead of the talks, which leaked to Weibo, demanded that Beijing cut the $375 billion U.S. trade deficit by $100 billion over the next 12 months and by another $100 billion by the end of 2020, by buying large, new imports from the United States.

The document demanded that China immediately “cease providing market-distorting subsidies and other types of government support that can contribute to the creation or maintenance of excess capacity in the industries targeted by the Made in China 2025 industrial plan.”

And the leaked document asked China to ensure that American investors are “afforded fair, effective and nondiscriminatory market access and treatment,” adding that China must reduce “tariffs on all products in noncritical sectors to levels that are no higher than the levels of the United States’ corresponding tariffs.”

http://thehill.com/opinion/international/386286-trump-wins-the-first-round-in-us-china-trade-war
 
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American face saving diplomacy with no substance, it's been over 40 years US like to talk tough but ultimately China end up to be winner...so keep bragging if that can help American as long as we have trade surplus to modernized our army :smokin:
 
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How can you declare victory even without knowing china agree or not?The author must be high to write this title
one of the demands the article bragging about is in fast-track mode with more money thrown to it. lol. winning? :lol:

The document demanded that China immediately “cease providing market-distorting subsidies and other types of government support that can contribute to the creation or maintenance of excess capacity in the industries targeted by the Made in China 2025 industrial plan.”

Chip wars - China closing in on second $19 billion semiconductor fund
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lion-semiconductor-fund-sources-idUSKBN1HX191
The government-backed China Integrated Circuit Investment Fund is heading up a new fund of about 300 billion yuan ($47.4 billion) for the development of China's semiconductor industry
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/04/bei...7-billion-investment-fund-for-chipmaking.html
 
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This is idiotic US propaganda as always. There is just no integrity left in anything the US says. A country that can turn its Presidency into a "Circus", and install a Clown as its President, and present Hollywood as Reality is not a country but a Media and Entertainment Empire.
 
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China not a fool to destroy their own future economy in development of high value chain industries because of US demand in trade negotiation. Trade rather lose US market than abandon China own high tech development. Trump want to cut down trade deficit by export more to China and not by outlandish demand of China trade concession.

Better for China to fight the prolong trade war that total collapse the whole world economy than forever allow US control China economy and financial system.

China already won the trade war with US in the past 30 yrs, for China to close the total GDP from the peak of US 11x larger than China GDP to only 1.5x smaller of the US GDP.
 
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No deal: Progress made, but U.S. trade delegation leaves China empty-handed

Thomson Reuters · Posted: May 04, 2018 9:38 AM ET | Last Updated: 9 hours ago

Top officials from China and the United States reached a consensus on some aspects of the countries' trade row, but disagreements over other issues remain "relatively big," according to the Chinese government on Friday.

The talks over the past two days have involved a high-level U.S. trade delegation led by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and senior Chinese officials, and followed months of threats and counter-threats from both sides in a series of disputes over trade practices.

Below are some key points from framework proposals put forward by the two countries at the start of the talks, according to sources with knowledge of the matter, and what is known of the outcome:

Tariffs
Chinese proposal: Said it would lower tariffs on some U.S. products, including cars.

U.S. proposal: Asked China to cut tariffs on all products to levels no higher than that of the United States. Washington will impose additional tariffs if China fails to comply with agreed-upon commitments.

What we know of outcome: The two sides exchanged opinions on solving tariff issues, according to reports from the official Chinese government press office, Xinhua News Agency.

Bilateral trade
Chinese proposal: China proposed increasing imports from the United States; asked U.S. to let its government and companies freely buy and use Chinese technology products and services; asked the U.S. to resume imports of cooked poultry from China.

U.S. proposal: Asked China to cut trade imbalance immediately and cut its trade surplus in goods with the United States by at least $200 billion by 2020; asked China not to distort trade through investment restrictions and ensure any investment restrictions or conditions imposed by China were "narrow and transparent."

What we know of outcome: The two sides exchanged opinions on expanding U.S. exports to China and bilateral services trade, said Xinhua.

Bilateral investment
Chinese proposal: Asked United States to treat Chinese investments equally under national security reviews; asked United States to stop issuing restrictions on new investments; agreed to implement its commitment to open up its financial and manufacturing sectors; proposed discussion on increasing film import quotas with U.S. and further opening up its Hainan free trade zone.

U.S. proposal: Asked China not to oppose, challenge, or otherwise retaliate against the United States' imposition of restrictions on investments from China in sensitive U.S. technology sectors or sectors critical to U.S. national security, in light of China's investment restrictions and state-directed investment in sensitive U.S. technology sectors, including industrial plans such as Made in China 2025; asked China to give U.S. investors in China fair, effective and non-discriminatory market access and treatment.

U.S.-China trade talks centre on rivalry over technology
What we know of outcome: the two sides exchanged views on expanding two-way investment, according to Xinhua.

Intellectual property
Chinese proposal: Requested United States terminate its Section 301 IP probe, not implement proposed 25 per cent tariffs.

U.S. proposal: Asked China to protect U.S. IP by immediately ceasing market-distorting subsidies and other types of government support that can contribute to excess capacity in industries targeted by the Made in China 2025 plan; asked China to eliminate "specified policies and practices" with respect to technology transfer; asked China to agree to immediately cease the targeting of U.S. technology and IP through cyber operations, economic espionage, counterfeiting, and piracy, and abide by U.S. export control laws.

What we know of outcome: the United States and China exchanged views on IP protection, said Xinhua.

Mobile company ZTE
Chinese proposal: United States should listen to ZTE's appeal on sanctions that have been levied against it over allegations that the company sold goods to Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions

U.S. proposal: No mention of ZTE

What we know of outcome: China lodged solemn representations on ZTE, the United States attached great value to those representations, Xinhua said.

Agriculture
Chinese proposal: China offered to consider new information provided by U.S. firms on Beijing's anti-dumping probe on sorghum imported from the United States.

U.S. proposal: Asked China not to take any retaliatory action directed at imports of U.S. agricultural products in response to any U.S. actions, including any new U.S. restrictions on investments or imports; asked China to improve market access for U.S. agricultural products and U.S. services "in specified ways."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/u-s-china-trade-1.4648131
 
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Let the US lives in its own wet dream! The typical american's wealth depends so much on the stock market performance and individual household has zero savings and high debt load. The longer this trade war drags on you're going to see a lot of unhappy voters comes the midterm election. So, go ahead and continue to play this silly game and end up doing serious damages to the US itself.
 
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