Trump warning to Germany/Nato

[Jinn Baba]

USA already destroyed European mobile market, Nokia etc. Now with Tesla they will destroy European car market, BMW, Mercedez. USA already control most important software companies on planet. Bad times ahead for europeans.

Sure

 

[Penguin]

USA already destroyed European mobile market, Nokia etc. Now with Tesla they will destroy European car market, BMW, Mercedez. USA already control most important software companies on planet. Bad times ahead for europeans.

German companies employ roughly 700,000 people in the United States. Carmakers like BMW and Mercedes-Benz have huge American assembly plants, which export vehicles to China and Latin America. BMW’s factory in Spartanburg, S.C., is the largest single exporter, by dollar value, in the American automotive industry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/world/europe/trump-merkel-germany-macron.html

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot....

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

German companies employ roughly 700,000 people in the United States. Carmakers like BMW and Mercedes-Benz have huge American assembly plants, which export vehicles to China and Latin America. BMW’s factory in Spartanburg, S.C., is the largest single exporter, by dollar value, in the American automotive industry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/world/europe/trump-merkel-germany-macron.html

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot....

And Nokia was largest mobile manufacturer before Americans dropped nuclear bomb on them. It's next to impossible to beat Americans in software. Neither Europeans or east asians can compete with them. Now in electric cars software will matter more then anything else. And America have already taken early lead in this sector.

Low end electric car market will be taken over by China just like cheap android Chinese smartphones.

 

[Penguin]

America is going to use Germany as their boogeyman in the next few years.

Well, it's interesting:

France also runs a substantial trade surplus with the United States, and it, like Germany, falls short of the military spending benchmark set by NATO, though in both cases by less than Germany. Yet Mr. Trump has spared France the kind of vitriol he has given the Germans — largely, officials say, because France spends more on its defense than Germany.
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Germany spends only 1.2 percent of its gross domestic product on defense, compared with 1.8 percent for France. Both are below the 2 percent threshold that NATO has set for its members.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/world/europe/trump-merkel-germany-macron.html

But the difference in monetary terms isn't all that big at all

And Nokia was largest mobile manufacturer before Americans dropped nuclear bomb on them. It's next to impossible to beat Americans in software. Neither Europeans or east asians can compete with them. Now in electric cars software will matter more then anything else. And America have already taken early lead in this sector.

Low end electric car market will be taken over by China just like cheap android Chinese smartphones.

Besides:

In his conversation with European Union leaders, Mr. Trump reportedly complained about the millions of cars that Germany sells in the United States, and threatened to stop them. Yet he has been an enthusiastic buyer of German luxury cars over the years.
After his Palm Beach wedding in 2005, Mr. Trump and his bride, Melania, jumped into a Mercedes Maybach limousine. He once bought a limited-edition silver Mercedes SLR McLaren roadster, with a supercharged AMG V8 engine, for $465,000. Mrs. Trump had her own Mercedes at the time.

Don't see Tesla there just yet.

And Nokia was largest mobile manufacturer before Americans dropped nuclear bomb on them. It's next to impossible to beat Americans in software. Neither Europeans or east asians can compete with them. Now in electric cars software will matter more then anything else. And America have already taken early lead in this sector.

Low end electric car market will be taken over by China just like cheap android Chinese smartphones.

Our dinky 17 million people Netherlands is the 3rd largest foreign investor in the USA. Germany is 6th. Most in the top 10 are European countries. Investments can be moved.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I had predicted this months ago. People were laughing. It is all happening before our eyes.

 

[Penguin]

Interesting read: https://www.wsj.com/articles/america-first-doesnt-mean-america-alone-1496187426

This bit is most amusing:
"We are asking a lot of our allies and partners. But in return America will once again be a true friend to our partners and the worst foe to our enemies."

So, they are admitting they are not being a true friend to their partners right now. Or being the worst foe to their enemies....

This being a conciliatory article and all.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Well, it's interesting:

France also runs a substantial trade surplus with the United States, and it, like Germany, falls short of the military spending benchmark set by NATO, though in both cases by less than Germany. Yet Mr. Trump has spared France the kind of vitriol he has given the Germans — largely, officials say, because France spends more on its defense than Germany.
...
Germany spends only 1.2 percent of its gross domestic product on defense, compared with 1.8 percent for France. Both are below the 2 percent threshold that NATO has set for its members.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/world/europe/trump-merkel-germany-macron.html

But the difference in monetary terms isn't all that big at all

Besides:

In his conversation with European Union leaders, Mr. Trump reportedly complained about the millions of cars that Germany sells in the United States, and threatened to stop them. Yet he has been an enthusiastic buyer of German luxury cars over the years.
After his Palm Beach wedding in 2005, Mr. Trump and his bride, Melania, jumped into a Mercedes Maybach limousine. He once bought a limited-edition silver Mercedes SLR McLaren roadster, with a supercharged AMG V8 engine, for $465,000. Mrs. Trump had her own Mercedes at the time.

Don't see Tesla there just yet.


Our dinky 17 million people Netherlands is the 3rd largest foreign investor in the USA. Germany is 6th. Most in the top 10 are European countries. Investments can be moved.

Tell me where is Nokia right now? Same will happen to european cars in 10 years. First they will try to come with their own solution like Nokia and fail. Future is softwate not hardware. Europeans cannot compete with Americans in softwate and neither with asians in cheap manufacturing.

Leading European car makers are already having sleepless nights.

 

[flamer84]

The US has to pay trillions in damages for the 2008 economic crisis they exported to the EU ando than complain.

 

[jamal18]

Mr. Trump is truly a blessing for Europe.

Finally, we can take charge of our own destiny...

Europe combined has a bigger GDP and better quality of life than Mr. Trump's America.

Time for European solutions to European problems... we have paid enough protection fee through our vassalage...

Time to become equals with America and jointly act where necessary. And act alone where required.

Our problems are many and growing... senseless, goal-less terrorism that we have never seen is becoming common.. Time for shaping our policies which are in our own best interests...

Germany, France, Italy and UK combined political, economic, cultural and industrial power is equal to any super power. Paris still is the intellectual capital of the world.

And lest anyone forget the flatest country in our galaxy, my Netherlands...

So, thank you Mr. Trump for making Europe Great Again.

Europe was, is and shall remain Heart and Soul of Western civilisation...

No, other civilisation has advanced the Human Condition more than the European Civilisation.

An unnecessary exaggeration of the Russian threat is needed to coax Europe back into US vassalage. There is no Russian threat; Russia is essentially a partner of Europe.
Let the Americans fight their on wars on behalf of Israel, Europe will be at peace; and with peace comes prosperity.

And you're forgetting, a level of State medical welfare that the Americans cannot even dream of.

 

[damm1t]

Meanwhile axis of evil countries ;
" - Welcome to club, Germany. "

 

[Penguin]

Tell me where is Nokia right now? Same will happen to european cars in 10 years. First they will try to come with their own solution like Nokia and fail. Future is softwate not hardware. Europeans cannot compete with Americans in softwate and neither with asians in cheap manufacturing.

Leading European car makers are already having sleepless nights.

See for yourself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia

In 2014, Nokia employed 61,656 people across 120 countries, did business in more than 150 countries, and reported annual revenues of around €12.73 billion. Revenue

• 
  €23.61 billion (2016)
• €12.499 billion (2015)

BMW Revenue

€94.163 billion (2016)
Number of employees 124,729 (2016)

Volkswagen AG Revenue

€217.267 billion (2016)
Number of employees 626,715 (2016)

Nokia isn't in the same league as BMW and Volkswagen. Or even as Renault and Peugeot.

Nor is Tesla
Revenue

US$7.00B
Number of employees 30,000+ (2016)

ps: If US President Trump decides to withdraw the US from the Paris climate agreement, then Tesla Director Elon Musk will stop as his advisor.
http://www.nu.nl/internet/4736088/t...ump-adviseur-als-vs-klimaatakkoord-stapt.html

ps: European car production is virtually back at pre-2008 crisis levels.
http://www.nu.nl/economie/4736871/autoproductie-bijna-terug-niveau-van-crisis.html

 

[Super Falcon]

Angela Merkel is very sensible leader who works interest of it's nation but not hurting others I accept Merkel is right USA only destroy others hope from Germany USA become super power now it will be it's destruction

 

[cloud4000]

This will push Germany and the EU to create an army and in the long term, it is the US that will lose.

The US will lose what exactly? And what is it gaining exactly in this current set up? This is the whole point of the exercise: to make Europe take over its defense so US can deploy its military assets elsewhere.

Trump is simply continuing what Obama has started. Even Obama was critical about Europeans not spending enough in his last term. The problem with the US is that it is now overstretched and the regions that are not vital to their interests and countries that are perfectly able to spend for their own defense (Germany and Japan) will lose support in the long term. We will see a less significant US in the future but I certainly don't see such a future as favourable to us as we share a lot of American values and US has been central to creating a rule-based global framework instead of anarchy. We will probably see these systems being eroded sadly.

Probably the most sensible post in this thread. This process was indeed started by Obama:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-critique-of-germany-is-no-different-than-obamas-2017-05-30

Yet liberals get upset with Trump, who is just echoing what Obama said because they don't like his tone.

Nevertheless, this raises the question: why have NATO at all? Honestly, it should've been dissolved soon after the Soviet Union collapsed. It's an organization without a purpose. Yet it stuck around, mostly for the benefit of Europe, which winded down its defense spending to almost criminal levels.

And why not? The Yanks will protect us even if we spit in their faces from time to time. And this is still happening, in 2017.

Yes, people will say Europe has agreed to increase defense spending to 2% of GDP by 2024. My question is: what took so long? It should have happened over 25 years ago after the Berlin Wall fell.

My whole point is that we no longer need NATO as its currently structured, but a new organization, with a new name, to reflect the new geo-political reality.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

@flamer84 @Sinan

Why do people think that Germans are calm people? It's really not true.

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This is a German guy working and screaming in Norway. He runs a crane bussiness. He's mad at the Norwegian workers who are a bunch of useless idiots, according to him. They forgot to compress the ground for the crane.

 

[flamer84]

@flamer84 @Sinan

Why do people think that Germans are calm people? It's really not true.

(0:45)

This is a German guy working and screaming in Norway. He runs a crane bussiness. He's mad at the Norwegian workers who are a bunch of useless idiots, according to him. They forgot to compress the ground for the crane.

He must be representative of all Germans!....