Trump seeks India’s help to destroy Pak nukes

[nair]

Indians can afford those thrifts but we cant
only issue I have is.. if India's own fissile semi or refined nuclear material is used by terrorists in one of the cities then it will cook a blame against Pakistan without allowing its own or foreign experts to analyse the nuclear residue which accurately points at the origin of the nuclear material.

It sounds like Making a nuclear bomb is as easy as making a "Paav Baaji" .

But i agree with the first part of your post.....

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It sounds like Making a nuclear bomb is as easy as making a "Paav Baaji" .

But i agree with the first part of your post.....

very easy.. its called dirty bomb..

just shove the nuclear waste or raw material in a barrel and use furtilizer as an explosive.. rest the work will be done by radioactivity


its just a matter of time.. much has been stolen by ISIS in Iraq and Syria from Hospitals radiology labs..

i

 

[Spectre]

very easy.. its called dirty bomb..

just shove the nuclear waste or raw material in a barrel and use furtilizer as an explosive.. rest the work will be done by radioactivity


its just a matter of time.. much has been stolen by ISIS in Iraq and Syria from Hospitals radiology labs..

i

All hypothetical of-course. If only "ifs and buts" were hard currency, India would have been destroyed 100 ways to kingdom come by now.

 

[T-72M1]

why am I 100% sure it was an indian reporter who asked about Pakistan

Greta Van Susteren isn't Indian, watch the whole town hall here:

very easy.. its called dirty bomb..

just shove the nuclear waste or raw material in a barrel and use furtilizer as an explosive.. rest the work will be done by radioactivity

its just a matter of time.. much has been stolen by ISIS in Iraq and Syria from Hospitals radiology labs..

I read about the possibility of an ISIS dirty bomb made from stolen medical equipment, experts say the impact would be limited or minuscule but it'll be a big propaganda victory and cause a lot of panic.

can't find the source atm, but it was a fairly detailed article.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

All hypothetical of-course. If only "ifs and buts" were hard currency, India would have been destroyed 100 ways to kingdom come by now.

we respond the same about Pakistan..when the ANALysts write a doomsday secenario on regular bases


ifs and all..
the US does acknowledge our controls that are in place but its only fair that the footnote does point out at the threat to nukes due to Terrorism

you know such nuclear lapses are not confined to us third word "non white" nations.. but they happen in the west too.
it is just the matter of time when the terrorists manage to do the unthinkable.

do you doubt their brutality or ability? just because it hasn't happened in India YET (and Pakistan) doesn't mean it is unthinkable.
we can only put precautions and preventions in place.

 

[TMA]

what's wrong with that? he says openly what Americans think

build the wall. ban Muslims, bring jobs back to USA.. dont interfere in Middle east politics and carpet bomb the ISIS.


he is correct that Pakistan is semi unstable and adding nuclear in equation is a disaster in waiting

he mentions Indian help but he needs to be told about threats and lapse of security in the Indian nuclear sites as well
also his solution is not workable. seeking Indian help to neutralize Pakistani nukes can actually trigger the events he is worried about.
I think his position will change once he is briefed after becoming President.


Indians can afford those thrifts but we cant
only issue I have is.. if India's own fissile semi or refined nuclear material is used by terrorists in one of the cities then it will cook a blame against Pakistan without allowing its own or foreign experts to analyse the nuclear residue which accurately points at the origin of the nuclear material.

"build the wall. ban Muslims, bring jobs back to USA.. dont interfere in Middle east politics and carpet bomb the ISIS."

They who have power in New Zion will continue to use US military might for their strategic interests, come what may. It would foolish for anyone to assume that if Trump is (sel)elected there would be ceasation of nefarious activities in the Middle East: Pax Judaica is on the agenda!

 

[Spectre]

we respond the same about Pakistan..when the ANALysts write a doomsday secenario on regular bases


ifs and all..
the US does acknowledge our controls that are in place but its only fair that the footnote does point out at the threat to nukes due to Terrorism

you know such nuclear lapses are not confined to us third word "non white" nations.. but they happen in the west too.
it is just the matter of time when the terrorists manage to do the unthinkable.

do you doubt their brutality or ability? just because it hasn't happened in India YET (and Pakistan) doesn't mean it is unthinkable.
we can only put precautions and preventions in place.

I absolutely agree, I do not think Pakistan will have it's nuke material stolen or pilfered without explicit sanction of the state which if you think about it is an oxymoron.

The only concern is state backed proliferation in return for monetary or tech based compensation. The concern exists only because of A Q Khan saga.

As for West - it is comical they sit on the high table and pass judgements. How did UK, France, Israel get their nukes? US provided clandestine support. How did Russia get it's tech? They stole it from US. How did China get it's tech - They got it from Russia. How did India and Pakistan get their tech - We too begged borrowed or stole from west. If you talk proliferation - US should be the first one on the cross.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I absolutely agree, I do not think Pakistan will have it's nuke material stolen or pilfered without explicit sanction of the state which if you think about it is an oxymoron.

The only concern is state backed proliferation in return for monetary or tech based compensation. The concern exists only because of A Q Khan saga.

As for West - it is comical they sit on the high table and pass judgements. How did UK, France, Israel get their nukes? US provided clandestine support. How did Russia get it's tech? They stole it from US. How did China get it's tech - They got it from Russia. How did India and Pakistan get their tech - We too begged borrowed or stole from west. If you talk proliferation - US should be the first one on the cross.

discussion moved from Views of Trump on Pakistan to nuclear
but that is fine.

all your points are valid and i cant add any more.

suspicion against Pakistan is justified re AQ Saga (which was bad either way if he had or didn't State support).
for its worth.. do read Musharraf's explanation (or his version) how AQ got away with all that.

I cant help but point out the dangers of so called Democratic leaders of Pakistan
while the Pak military is shedding its ties with the Islamists (shedding the blood too).

the Pakistani politicians (both secular & religious) have strengthened their ties with so called banned Islamic terror groups both PPP and Nawaz league has used their muscle and dont make their links any secret and even accepted funds from Bin laden (Nawaz did). issue with Pakistani politicians is Money for any cost.

why should it concern India?


would Nawaz think twice while accepting money from JuD?..they are close election allies against PPP
. his brother has allowed it to run a parallel sheriah court in Lahore after all.

 

[Spectre]

discussion moved from Views of Trump on Pakistan to nuclear
but that is fine.

all your points are valid and i cant add any more.

suspicion against Pakistan is justified re AQ Saga (which was bad either way if he had or didn't State support).
for its worth.. do read Musharraf's explanation (or his version) how AQ got away with all that.

I cant help but point out the dangers of so called Democratic leaders of Pakistan
while the Pak military is shedding its ties with the Islamists (shedding the blood too).

the Pakistani politicians (both secular & religious) have strengthened their ties with so called banned Islamic terror groups both PPP and Nawaz league has used their muscle and dont make their links any secret and even accepted funds from Bin laden (Nawaz did). issue with Pakistani politicians is Money for any cost.

why should it concern India?


would Nawaz think twice while accepting money from JuD?..they are close election allies against PPP
. his brother has allowed it to run a parallel sheriah court in Lahore after all.

I agree there is an effort by Indians to exploit or create a civil military divide in Pakistan and large section of "aman ki asha" type idealists have convinced themselves that Nawaz Sharif is the second coming of Jesus and if only the big bad army removes the shackles, he will bring everlasting peace in the subcontinent.

There is another school of thought that says, real progress is made when we negotiate directly with Pakistan military, the civilian govt is either dishonest or incompetent and in either case unable to enforce the agreements.

Now with this background: you must understand that Pakistani Military is a villain in India, there are very few who are able to take a nuanced view and empathize with Pakistani concerns of Kashmir, terrorism of which they are themselves victim of and corrupt civilian leadership, fight against extremism and so on and so forth. Most Indians on PDF including me let our biases filter how we interact or perceive Pakistani related information so that the good gets diminished and bad gets magnified.

Since politicians being politicians are able to speak favourably about India (NS about Kargil) he becomes our hero because most people never know that it his family which most probably supports the India focused terrorist. Pakistan Military does not have the luxury atleast as long as they are in office to give justifications because it's not their job.

Things are changing though. As Pakistan winds up TTP, I can hope they will go after JuD syndicate but it is logical they will except something in return to justify their action to internal audience - what India can give, I have no idea.

 

[MilSpec]

what's wrong with that? he says openly what Americans think

build the wall. ban Muslims, bring jobs back to USA.. dont interfere in Middle east politics and carpet bomb the ISIS.


he is correct that Pakistan is semi unstable and adding nuclear in equation is a disaster in waiting

he mentions Indian help but he needs to be told about threats and lapse of security in the Indian nuclear sites as well
also his solution is not workable. seeking Indian help to neutralize Pakistani nukes can actually trigger the events he is worried about.
I think his position will change once he is briefed after becoming President.


Indians can afford those thrifts but we cant
only issue I have is.. if India's own fissile semi or refined nuclear material is used by terrorists in one of the cities then it will cook a blame against Pakistan without allowing its own or foreign experts to analyse the nuclear residue which accurately points at the origin of the nuclear material.

Irfan saab,

I have heard this theft narrative quite a few times. The aspersion being "ohh look India is no better, there security is so lax that their material is getting stolen from nuclear installation, and then suddenly rhetoric steps up gears and it becomes fissile material getting stolen, and then the narrative changes to nuclear bomb and then finally somehow India becomes a proliferating agent.

Let me make a categorical differentiation here, lapse of security causing theft of unprocessed ore, or Beryllium in no universe equates to institutional proliferation of reactor plans, enrichment protocols, and entire centrifuges done by Pakistani scientists (which he himself claims was under the patronage of the government, also evident from his punitive sentence). I appreciate the clever wordplay which I would have too used if I was in your position, but theft of ancillary material related to nuclear installations and a well crafted Nuclear proliferation as a quid pro quo to states like NoKo, Libya etc are completely different regimes. Light rhetoric might distort it to make a good argument, but if you a dive a little bit into specifics and the differentiation is not as murky as you would like it to be.

 

[SrNair]

what's wrong with that? he says openly what Americans think

build the wall. ban Muslims, bring jobs back to USA.. dont interfere in Middle east politics and carpet bomb the ISIS.


he is correct that Pakistan is semi unstable and adding nuclear in equation is a disaster in waiting

he mentions Indian help but he needs to be told about threats and lapse of security in the Indian nuclear sites as well
also his solution is not workable. seeking Indian help to neutralize Pakistani nukes can actually trigger the events he is worried about.
I think his position will change once he is briefed after becoming President.


Indians can afford those thrifts but we cant
only issue I have is.. if India's own fissile semi or refined nuclear material is used by terrorists in one of the cities then it will cook a blame against Pakistan without allowing its own or foreign experts to analyse the nuclear residue which accurately points at the origin of the nuclear material.

I completely agree with your first opinion.
Trump is just a politician .He dont know dynamics of this part of world .If he wins the US President election then he will understand that all this BS statements are totally impracticable .

But totally disagree with your second statement .
Because neither a common Indian nor a foreigner knows anything about Indian nuclear program .Even US are still searching in the shadow about the opaque nature of Indian program .

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Irfan saab,

I have heard this theft narrative quite a few times. The aspersion being "ohh look India is no better, there security is so lax that their material is getting stolen from nuclear installation, and then suddenly rhetoric steps up gears and it becomes fissile material getting stolen, and then the narrative changes to nuclear bomb and then finally somehow India becomes a proliferating agent.

Let me make a categorical differentiation here, lapse of security causing theft of unprocessed ore, or Beryllium in no universe equates to institutional proliferation of reactor plans, enrichment protocols, and entire centrifuges done by Pakistani scientists (which he himself claims was under the patronage of the government, also evident from his punitive sentence). I appreciate the clever wordplay which I would have too used if I was in your position, but theft of ancillary material related to nuclear installations and a well crafted Nuclear proliferation as a quid pro quo to states like NoKo, Libya etc are completely different regimes. Light rhetoric might distort it to make a good argument, but if you a dive a little bit into specifics and the differentiation is not as murky as you would like it to be.

you are preaching the converted. I recall the American report which stated what I said about India. their verdict was .. despite those lapses .. India is more secure than Pakistan. end of.

moving on.. when it comes to Pakistan.. all such concerns have legitimacy.. I said it before already.
don't take it personal.. no matter how many covers and shrouds you put on your own program.. the weakest link in all this is the human factor.

for us even a damage or ISIS graffiti on the signboard showing the direction to Kahuta research Laboratories or Nilore Nuclear plant will amount to an attack on Pakistani nukes.. I know how the media mill goes on the over drive

 

[Mrc]

I really hope trump wins....

Every well wisher of humanity shud compaign for him....
Will bring world out of US hagemony

 

[باپ]

He should get rid of his fake tan.

 

[T-72M1]

I really hope trump wins....

Every well wisher of humanity shud compaign for him....
Will bring world out of US hagemony

lot of bad propaganda about him, he's actually to the left of Hillary when it comes to American military interventionism.