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Trump and Tehran: This is not 2003 and Iran is not Iraq
Iran's strategic alliances are extensive and deep, and US regional allies today look increasingly fragile and erratic.

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Narrative-building is an art and former US President Barack Obama was a master charmer. Hence, maintaining the image of the United States as the exceptional and indispensable nation that promotes freedom and equality, particularly after eight long years of George W Bush (since rehabilitated by the liberal media), was not the most challenging of labours.

The Western corporate media - and state-owned outlets - had the somewhat undemanding task of "Making America Feel Good Again". No more Bushisms, Dick Cheneys, Abu Ghraibs, John Boltons, CIA black sites, Princes of Darkness, extraordinary renditions, fake dossiers, and Guantanamo Bays, among other things.

This was the post-racial America, where black lives mattered and where the president received a Nobel peace prize - like Yitzhak Rabin, FW de Klerk, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Aung San Suu Kyi, Shimon Peres, and other "luminaries" - even though he had barely entered the Oval Office.

The Obama era
True, Guantanamo Bay remained open for business, drone strikes were all the rage, Libya was shattered, Obama funded "moderates" in Syria (which Biden said were non-existent), "managed" the Islamic State (IS) advance on Damascus, helped Saudi Arabia starve out Yemen, facilitated the siege on Gaza, imposed "crippling" sanctions on ordinary Iranians, and justified the Saudi occupation of Bahrain, among other reprehensible deeds.

Yet somehow, Obama was TV gold. He was great with teleprompters, seduced talk show audiences nationwide, did an awesome mic drop, and even agreed to a nuclear deal with Iran. He was like Teflon Tony before Tony lost his Teflon.

For many it was the same old America, but under Obama, US soft power reached new heights. Coalition building was no longer the coalition of the willing. The European Union conformed to his will, while a rising China and re-emerging Russia worked to avoid any serious confrontation.

Capitalising on unfounded allegations of electoral fraud in 2009, Obama stealthily enhanced Iranophobia, securitised Iran, and manufactured a sense of crisis and urgency - despite Iran's adherence to International Atomic Energy Agency regulations. Life was not easy for Iranian strategists and foreign policymakers, as sanctions continued to stack up on an unprepared Iranian public.

Seismic shifts
Then came Trump, who aligned himself with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman and Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu – a veritable Three Stooges in the world of Mideast geopolitics. One was an unsavoury prime minister who enforces apartheid, is disliked by allies and faces corruption charges at home.

The other was heralded as a true reformer – albeit one who kidnaps Lebanese prime ministers, supports coups, imposes sieges on old allies, starves children, funds Wahhabi extremists, arrests and tortures family members, and spends billions on yachts, portraits, foreign castles and chateaus.

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Representatives of the P5 1 group meet along with representatives from China and Russia to announce Iran nuclear deal in Vienna, Austria, on 9 July 2015 (AFP)

Trump attacked minorities, Africans, Latinos, China, Muslims, the European Union, neighbouring countries and exited the Paris Climate Accord – all while his political opponents did their best to wreck American-Russian relations.

At times, even Trump-skeptical Iranian diplomats must have secretly felt overwhelmed by the abundance of gifts the US president was presenting to them.

While from the get-go Obama, the Treasury Department and the US Congress repeatedly violated the terms of the JCPOA, the former president's constant public and verbal commitment to the JCPOA lulled much of the international community and drowned out Iranian protests that their commitments had not been reciprocated.

Almost immediately after his inauguration, Trump ramped up the violations - and began threatening to exit the nuclear agreement altogether.

Suddenly the tables were turned, as even close US allies felt belittled and insulted that, by ignoring US international commitments, Trump was also exposing Germany, Britain, and France as geopolitical lightweights who have little impact on major international agreements.

Russia and China increasingly viewed the United States as an unreliable partner, thus accelerating their strategic interest in their relationship with the Islamic Republic. Unreliability and unpredictability, combined with a host of new tariffs, sanctions, dubious alliances and military threats, are creating seismic shifts that push Washington toward deeper isolation.

Extreme and irrational
In the absence of Saruman's or King Salman's orb, it is unwise to make predictions of the future. However, it seems clear that by firing Secretary of State Tillerson and installing John Bolton as national security advisor, Trump has reinforced the widespread belief that the United States is growing more extreme and irrational and becoming increasingly antagonistic toward the rest of the world.

The spectacle of domestic US political strife combined with the emergence of Trump's fanatical foreign policy team has demolished US soft power capabilities and made the United States under George W Bush look utopian.

Nevertheless, the US government must realise that Iran is not Iraq and this is not 2003. Iran's strategic alliances are extensive and deep, and US regional allies today look increasingly fragile and erratic.

Moreover, Iran's interests increasingly converge with global powers such as Russia and China, while the appointment of Bolton alarms even America's staunchest allies. The extensive violations of the JCPOA has left most of the sanctions regime intact, thus limiting Iran's losses subsequent to a potential US withdrawal from the agreement.

At home and abroad, Iran's leaders will be vindicated for their skepticism of US intentions, and the Iranian public will expect an immediate normalisation of its peaceful nuclear programme.

Despite his well-founded skepticism, Ayatollah Khamenei once stated that if the US changes its behaviour regarding the nuclear dossier, the two sides may be able to negotiate over other matters as well.

When the US cannot be trusted over existing agreements, further negotiations are simply a fool's quest.

Samuel Johnson once said: "A man who exposes himself when he is intoxicated, has not the art of getting drunk." The emperor has no clothes and has revealed himself to be clueless about the Art of the Deal.
 
Trump and Tehran: This is not 2003 and Iran is not Iraq
Iran's strategic alliances are extensive and deep, and US regional allies today look increasingly fragile and erratic.



Narrative-building is an art and former US President Barack Obama was a master charmer. Hence, maintaining the image of the United States as the exceptional and indispensable nation that promotes freedom and equality, particularly after eight long years of George W Bush (since rehabilitated by the liberal media), was not the most challenging of labours.

The Western corporate media - and state-owned outlets - had the somewhat undemanding task of "Making America Feel Good Again". No more Bushisms, Dick Cheneys, Abu Ghraibs, John Boltons, CIA black sites, Princes of Darkness, extraordinary renditions, fake dossiers, and Guantanamo Bays, among other things.

This was the post-racial America, where black lives mattered and where the president received a Nobel peace prize - like Yitzhak Rabin, FW de Klerk, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Aung San Suu Kyi, Shimon Peres, and other "luminaries" - even though he had barely entered the Oval Office.

The Obama era
True, Guantanamo Bay remained open for business, drone strikes were all the rage, Libya was shattered, Obama funded "moderates" in Syria (which Biden said were non-existent), "managed" the Islamic State (IS) advance on Damascus, helped Saudi Arabia starve out Yemen, facilitated the siege on Gaza, imposed "crippling" sanctions on ordinary Iranians, and justified the Saudi occupation of Bahrain, among other reprehensible deeds.

Yet somehow, Obama was TV gold. He was great with teleprompters, seduced talk show audiences nationwide, did an awesome mic drop, and even agreed to a nuclear deal with Iran. He was like Teflon Tony before Tony lost his Teflon.

For many it was the same old America, but under Obama, US soft power reached new heights. Coalition building was no longer the coalition of the willing. The European Union conformed to his will, while a rising China and re-emerging Russia worked to avoid any serious confrontation.

Capitalising on unfounded allegations of electoral fraud in 2009, Obama stealthily enhanced Iranophobia, securitised Iran, and manufactured a sense of crisis and urgency - despite Iran's adherence to International Atomic Energy Agency regulations. Life was not easy for Iranian strategists and foreign policymakers, as sanctions continued to stack up on an unprepared Iranian public.

Seismic shifts
Then came Trump, who aligned himself with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman and Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu – a veritable Three Stooges in the world of Mideast geopolitics. One was an unsavoury prime minister who enforces apartheid, is disliked by allies and faces corruption charges at home.

The other was heralded as a true reformer – albeit one who kidnaps Lebanese prime ministers, supports coups, imposes sieges on old allies, starves children, funds Wahhabi extremists, arrests and tortures family members, and spends billions on yachts, portraits, foreign castles and chateaus.

Representatives of the P5 1 group meet along with representatives from China and Russia to announce Iran nuclear deal in Vienna, Austria, on 9 July 2015 (AFP)

Trump attacked minorities, Africans, Latinos, China, Muslims, the European Union, neighbouring countries and exited the Paris Climate Accord – all while his political opponents did their best to wreck American-Russian relations.

At times, even Trump-skeptical Iranian diplomats must have secretly felt overwhelmed by the abundance of gifts the US president was presenting to them.

While from the get-go Obama, the Treasury Department and the US Congress repeatedly violated the terms of the JCPOA, the former president's constant public and verbal commitment to the JCPOA lulled much of the international community and drowned out Iranian protests that their commitments had not been reciprocated.

Almost immediately after his inauguration, Trump ramped up the violations - and began threatening to exit the nuclear agreement altogether.

Suddenly the tables were turned, as even close US allies felt belittled and insulted that, by ignoring US international commitments, Trump was also exposing Germany, Britain, and France as geopolitical lightweights who have little impact on major international agreements.

Russia and China increasingly viewed the United States as an unreliable partner, thus accelerating their strategic interest in their relationship with the Islamic Republic. Unreliability and unpredictability, combined with a host of new tariffs, sanctions, dubious alliances and military threats, are creating seismic shifts that push Washington toward deeper isolation.

Extreme and irrational
In the absence of Saruman's or King Salman's orb, it is unwise to make predictions of the future. However, it seems clear that by firing Secretary of State Tillerson and installing John Bolton as national security advisor, Trump has reinforced the widespread belief that the United States is growing more extreme and irrational and becoming increasingly antagonistic toward the rest of the world.

The spectacle of domestic US political strife combined with the emergence of Trump's fanatical foreign policy team has demolished US soft power capabilities and made the United States under George W Bush look utopian.

Nevertheless, the US government must realise that Iran is not Iraq and this is not 2003. Iran's strategic alliances are extensive and deep, and US regional allies today look increasingly fragile and erratic.

Moreover, Iran's interests increasingly converge with global powers such as Russia and China, while the appointment of Bolton alarms even America's staunchest allies. The extensive violations of the JCPOA has left most of the sanctions regime intact, thus limiting Iran's losses subsequent to a potential US withdrawal from the agreement.

At home and abroad, Iran's leaders will be vindicated for their skepticism of US intentions, and the Iranian public will expect an immediate normalisation of its peaceful nuclear programme.

Despite his well-founded skepticism, Ayatollah Khamenei once stated that if the US changes its behaviour regarding the nuclear dossier, the two sides may be able to negotiate over other matters as well.

When the US cannot be trusted over existing agreements, further negotiations are simply a fool's quest.

Samuel Johnson once said: "A man who exposes himself when he is intoxicated, has not the art of getting drunk." The emperor has no clothes and has revealed himself to be clueless about the Art of the Deal.

US military "men" after encountering Iranian military men:
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US military "men" are good in killing civilians, torturing prisoners and supporting terrorism. They are not good in fighting.
 
Really? If anyone thinks IRI is any match against the US behemoth they seriously need to stop drinking their own cool-aid. IRI has no strategic alliances that would side with her in case of a confrontation, has a restive and unhappy populace, has a corrupt and ineffective elite, an economy that's in free-fall, is not part of the global economy to cause any disruptions to it in case of a confrontation, and powerful neighbors that despise her. Add to that predicament the fact that IRI has no air force or military that can match any outside invader the size of the US.

Anyone that thinks the Iranians will demonstrate the same resolve, as when Iraq invaded Iran, when a new threat becomes a showdown is mistaken: for IRI the jig is up.

By showing the same images of the US marines being captured you are basically saying you are one-trick pony. Are we to conclude that because of one single incident IRI is suddenly a force to reckon with?! Greater powers like Russia (a dying power), or China (like China would jeopardize a 500+ billion dollar/year trade with the US for IRI) don't even claim that they are a match against the US in a conventional war.

IRI's power does come out of barrel of a gun. A gun pointed at innocent, unarmed Iranians who for some strange reason decide to commit suicide in IRI's prisons. I doubt very much that IRI's armed forces would be a match against the well armed and trained US Marines.

And yes the west already has a workable template to confront IRI: the very same one used in Syria, and Libya (not the Iraq template since it became a quagmire). The problem with IRI is bad behavior; IRI is a bad actor that has delusions of grandeur (effectively the same problem as the last Shah). IRI will be tamed, one way or the other, and we will all be better off. My hope is that it would not be as costly for the Iranians as it was for the Iraqis, Syrians and Libyans.
 
Really? If anyone thinks IRI is any match against the US behemoth they seriously need to stop drinking their own cool-aid. IRI has no strategic alliances that would side with her in case of a confrontation, has a restive and unhappy populace, has a corrupt and ineffective elite, an economy that's in free-fall, is not part of the global economy to cause any disruptions to it in case of a confrontation, and powerful neighbors that despise her. Add to that predicament the fact that IRI has no air force or military that can match any outside invader the size of the US.

Anyone that thinks the Iranians will demonstrate the same resolve, as when Iraq invaded Iran, when a new threat becomes a showdown is mistaken: for IRI the jig is up.

By showing the same images of the US marines being captured you are basically saying you are one-trick pony. Are we to conclude that because of one single incident IRI is suddenly a force to reckon with?! Greater powers like Russia (a dying power), or China (like China would jeopardize a 500+ billion dollar/year trade with the US for IRI) don't even claim that they are a match against the US in a conventional war.

IRI's power does come out of barrel of a gun. A gun pointed at innocent, unarmed Iranians who for some strange reason decide to commit suicide in IRI's prisons. I doubt very much that IRI's armed forces would be a match against the well armed and trained US Marines.

And yes the west already has a workable template to confront IRI: the very same one used in Syria, and Libya (not the Iraq template since it became a quagmire). The problem with IRI is bad behavior; IRI is a bad actor that has delusions of grandeur (effectively the same problem as the last Shah). IRI will be tamed, one way or the other, and we will all be better off. My hope is that it would not be as costly for the Iranians as it was for the Iraqis, Syrians and Libyans.

I know you have wet dreams every night of the US attacking Iran, but please don't pretend you know anything about war and military capabilities.
 
Really? If anyone thinks IRI is any match against the US behemoth they seriously need to stop drinking their own cool-aid. IRI has no strategic alliances that would side with her in case of a confrontation, has a restive and unhappy populace, has a corrupt and ineffective elite, an economy that's in free-fall, is not part of the global economy to cause any disruptions to it in case of a confrontation, and powerful neighbors that despise her. Add to that predicament the fact that IRI has no air force or military that can match any outside invader the size of the US.

Anyone that thinks the Iranians will demonstrate the same resolve, as when Iraq invaded Iran, when a new threat becomes a showdown is mistaken: for IRI the jig is up.

By showing the same images of the US marines being captured you are basically saying you are one-trick pony. Are we to conclude that because of one single incident IRI is suddenly a force to reckon with?! Greater powers like Russia (a dying power), or China (like China would jeopardize a 500+ billion dollar/year trade with the US for IRI) don't even claim that they are a match against the US in a conventional war.

IRI's power does come out of barrel of a gun. A gun pointed at innocent, unarmed Iranians who for some strange reason decide to commit suicide in IRI's prisons. I doubt very much that IRI's armed forces would be a match against the well armed and trained US Marines.

And yes the west already has a workable template to confront IRI: the very same one used in Syria, and Libya (not the Iraq template since it became a quagmire). The problem with IRI is bad behavior; IRI is a bad actor that has delusions of grandeur (effectively the same problem as the last Shah). IRI will be tamed, one way or the other, and we will all be better off. My hope is that it would not be as costly for the Iranians as it was for the Iraqis, Syrians and Libyans.
All of your delusions has been answered in the article already.
 
I know you have wet dreams every night of the US attacking Iran, but please don't pretend you know anything about war and military capabilities.
This, I wish I could upvote your post more times. Wordsmatter is itching to see bloodshed.
Really? If anyone thinks IRI is any match against the US behemoth they seriously need to stop drinking their own cool-aid. IRI has no strategic alliances that would side with her in case of a confrontation, has a restive and unhappy populace, has a corrupt and ineffective elite, an economy that's in free-fall, is not part of the global economy to cause any disruptions to it in case of a confrontation, and powerful neighbors that despise her. Add to that predicament the fact that IRI has no air force or military that can match any outside invader the size of the US.

Anyone that thinks the Iranians will demonstrate the same resolve, as when Iraq invaded Iran, when a new threat becomes a showdown is mistaken: for IRI the jig is up.

By showing the same images of the US marines being captured you are basically saying you are one-trick pony. Are we to conclude that because of one single incident IRI is suddenly a force to reckon with?! Greater powers like Russia (a dying power), or China (like China would jeopardize a 500+ billion dollar/year trade with the US for IRI) don't even claim that they are a match against the US in a conventional war.

IRI's power does come out of barrel of a gun. A gun pointed at innocent, unarmed Iranians who for some strange reason decide to commit suicide in IRI's prisons. I doubt very much that IRI's armed forces would be a match against the well armed and trained US Marines.

And yes the west already has a workable template to confront IRI: the very same one used in Syria, and Libya (not the Iraq template since it became a quagmire). The problem with IRI is bad behavior; IRI is a bad actor that has delusions of grandeur (effectively the same problem as the last Shah). IRI will be tamed, one way or the other, and we will all be better off. My hope is that it would not be as costly for the Iranians as it was for the Iraqis, Syrians and Libyans.

Ok, look. You come here and say these things but you have little to no evidence to back up your claims other than "IRI is holding Iranian hostage", "IRI is evil", "IRI is weak and will fold against the US in no time".

Evidence Wordsmatter, evidence. Where is your evidence that this will be the case in the scenario of a Iran-US conflict?
 
The Americans are finding out the very hard way how much the world has changed around them.

The US is embroiled in dozens of conflicts. It has bitten off more than it can chew. Even its allies view it with distrust.
 
The Americans are finding out the very hard way how much the world has changed around them.

Yes, this is just reality plain and simple. The world is now multipolar but legacy powers that be in the US and the West refuse to accept this fact.
 
US military "men" after encountering Iranian military men:
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US military "men" are good in killing civilians, torturing prisoners and supporting terrorism. They are not good in fighting.

The truth is that the IRGC didn't dare to harass any american ships since Trump came to power...
Can you enlighten us why?
 
Really? If anyone thinks IRI is any match against the US behemoth they seriously need to stop drinking their own cool-aid. IRI has no strategic alliances that would side with her in case of a confrontation, has a restive and unhappy populace, has a corrupt and ineffective elite, an economy that's in free-fall, is not part of the global economy to cause any disruptions to it in case of a confrontation, and powerful neighbors that despise her. Add to that predicament the fact that IRI has no air force or military that can match any outside invader the size of the US.

Anyone that thinks the Iranians will demonstrate the same resolve, as when Iraq invaded Iran, when a new threat becomes a showdown is mistaken: for IRI the jig is up.

By showing the same images of the US marines being captured you are basically saying you are one-trick pony. Are we to conclude that because of one single incident IRI is suddenly a force to reckon with?! Greater powers like Russia (a dying power), or China (like China would jeopardize a 500+ billion dollar/year trade with the US for IRI) don't even claim that they are a match against the US in a conventional war.

IRI's power does come out of barrel of a gun. A gun pointed at innocent, unarmed Iranians who for some strange reason decide to commit suicide in IRI's prisons. I doubt very much that IRI's armed forces would be a match against the well armed and trained US Marines.

And yes the west already has a workable template to confront IRI: the very same one used in Syria, and Libya (not the Iraq template since it became a quagmire). The problem with IRI is bad behavior; IRI is a bad actor that has delusions of grandeur (effectively the same problem as the last Shah). IRI will be tamed, one way or the other, and we will all be better off. My hope is that it would not be as costly for the Iranians as it was for the Iraqis, Syrians and Libyans.




Please come and try. americans are ONLY good at killing innocent men, women and children from impoverished countries that have 0 military power whatsoever like Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
 
Really? If anyone thinks IRI is any match against the US behemoth they seriously need to stop drinking their own cool-aid. (...)

How about Muricans stop drinking coffee with fecal bacteria:
https://www.rt.com/uk/394388-fecal-bacteria-coffee-drinks/

By showing the same images of the US marines being captured you are basically saying you are one-trick pony. Are we to conclude that because of one single incident (...)

One single incident ?? So you have already forgotten about USS Fitzgerald and USS John S. McCain ??

The problem with IRI is bad behavior (...)

US regime lied about so called "weapons of mass destrucion" in Iraq to stop Iraq from selling oil for Euros instead of for Dollars. US regime destroyed Iraq, killed more than one million Iraqis and contaminated Iraq with depleted uranium and you dare to say that Iran's behavior is bad. Terrorists from Washington has killed more than 20 million people since World War II (source)

The truth is that the IRGC didn't dare to harass any american ships since Trump came to power...
Can you enlighten us why?

It was US ship that violated Iranian territorial waters. US terrorists from Washington were trying to harass Iran but failed. Since then terrorists from Washington don't dare to violate Iranian territorial waters.
 
I know you have wet dreams every night of the US attacking Iran, but please don't pretend you know anything about war and military capabilities.
There you again taking the high road and feeling all high and mighty. I wonder how you turned out to be all knowing? You are an arm-chair general, if that.
I have no "wet" dreams about US attacking Iran. It's you who dreams about IRI teaching the US a lesson. That will never happen.

This, I wish I could upvote your post more times. Wordsmatter is itching to see bloodshed.


Ok, look. You come here and say these things but you have little to no evidence to back up your claims other than "IRI is holding Iranian hostage", "IRI is evil", "IRI is weak and will fold against the US in no time".

Evidence Wordsmatter, evidence. Where is your evidence that this will be the case in the scenario of a Iran-US conflict?
What? You still need evidence?! Take a look at what has become of Syria, IRI's closest ally in the Arab world. Just so that we are clear: IRI has been a sworn enemy of the US for the last 40 odd years. Do you believe that after all these years there's a single US politician, political advisor, military leader that has any good will towards IRI? That they will have second thoughts when the US president declares war on IRI? Or will question the wisdom of regime change? I assure you no one in the US, the west, and Persian Gulf will mourn IRI's demise. And they wouldn't lose a minute of sleep if millions of Iranians become refugees and hundred of thousands die.
IRI brings nothing in terms of strategic depth or military capabilities. Her armed forces are not configured to withstand America's might, shock-and-awe, arial and naval dominance. Name a weapons system in IRI's arsenal that would give her an edge over the US? Name just one?
What you would like to see happen is very different from what's real on the ground. IRI's armed forces are configured to suppress her own population. IRI just lost one her biggest frigates in Anzali.

Please come and try. americans are ONLY good at killing innocent men, women and children from impoverished countries that have 0 military power whatsoever like Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
Oy vey... You mean the same Americans that removed Saddam Houssien in less than a month? Those Americans?! Something IRI couldn't do in 8 long years? Or Saudi Arabia wouldn't do? Or Turkey didn't do? You mean those Americans? Those very Americans who deposed Milosevich for killing Yugoslavia's muslims? You mean the same America that liberated Kuwait? That has kept peace in Europe, ensured independence of Taiwan, has kept psychopaths like IRI from harming Israel? That America that gives aid to Egypt, and Pakistan? You mean the America that removed Taliban from power?
If that's the America you are referring to, then be rest assured it will surely come as there will be tomorrow. America is not afraid of phony achievements, dogmatic declarations, or a few bearded thugs that kill unarmed people.

How about Muricans stop drinking coffee with fecal bacteria:
https://www.rt.com/uk/394388-fecal-bacteria-coffee-drinks/



One single incident ?? So you have already forgotten about USS Fitzgerald and USS John S. McCain ??



US regime lied about so called "weapons of mass destrucion" in Iraq to stop Iraq from selling oil for Euros instead of for Dollars. US regime destroyed Iraq, killed more than one million Iraqis and contaminated Iraq with depleted uranium and you dare to say that Iran's behavior is bad. Terrorists from Washington has killed more than 20 million people since World War II (source)



It was US ship that violated Iranian territorial waters. US terrorists from Washington were trying to harass Iran but failed. Since then terrorists from Washington don't dare to violate Iranian territorial waters.
You mean USS Fitzgerald and USS John S. McCain incidents were the work of IRI? Is that what you mean by forgotten about these incidents? Good to know you know your history.
Yes that's exactly my point: more than 1 million Iraqis have died since Iraq war debacle. Something 2 bit despots like IRI should learn from if they really care about their people. But as despots go, they don't care. What matters to IRI is dogma, elite survival, embezzlement; indeed the hallmarks of "good" governance for most IRI supporters.
Yes Busch lied and caused so much pain, suffering, and death. But the outcome was that Iraq will never ever be able to challenge any single country. It's a country that will look inwards for a very long time: no delusions about dominance, or power. Simply getting her footing back. Is this what you are advocating for Iran?
 
Yes Busch lied and caused so much pain, suffering, and death. But the outcome was that Iraq will never ever be able to challenge any single country.

And ironically, it was America's invasion of Iraq over WMD (and the removal of Saddam as a counterbalance to Iran) which was the event that catapulted Iranian influence in the region to stratospheric levels.

Something 2 bit despots like IRI should learn from if they really care about their people.

Does Donald Trump care about his people? What about the tens of millions of Americans he is trying to remove healthcare for? What about non-whites?
 
And ironically, it was America's invasion of Iraq over WMD (and the removal of Saddam as a counterbalance to Iran) which was the event that catapulted Iranian influence in the region to stratospheric levels.



Does Donald Trump care about his people? What about the tens of millions of Americans he is trying to remove healthcare for? What about non-whites?
I am not sure if you live in the US. In case you don't after ObamaCare went to effect health care premiums have sky-rocketed. Whereas before ObamaCare I was paying $600.00 for my entire family for health coverage, now I have to pay more than $1200.00. That's why Republicans have been trying to reverse ObamaCare. Costly program that's hurting average Americans.
DT does not care about Americans in the same way he is not a "one-man" rule. He is nothing without the support of second leg of the US government, the congress (lower and Senate), both currently controlled by Republicans.
I am not sure whether IRI's influence "stratospheric", it's simply destructive influence, driven by Islamic dogma and grandiose belief that IRI can be a leader in the Arab and Islamic worlds.
 

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