Trump allows F-16s and F-18s to be made in india

[Stephen Cohen]

F18 Super hornets will join the Navy when india,s 3rd 55k tonne carrier is built between 2026-2030 not before

Indian navy will buy 66 Super Hornets for Navy

F16 will be license built in india by private indian players like reliance and sold to countries in Asia & Africa

IAF will aqcquire 120 block 70 versions.

between 2020-2025

What about additional Rafales

 

[el nino]

For those IDIOTS claiming too types of planes

F16 block 70 will replace both MIG29 & Jaguar mmrca

Tejas the Mig21/27

Rafale the MIRAGE2000.

IN OTHER WORDS by 2030

IAF will have

50+ FGFA
270 su30mki/super mki
72 rafale F3/F4
120 F16/70
120 Tejas mk1/mk1a


over 400 EXISTING IAF fighters will be gone
100 jaguars
150 mig21
50 mig27
60 mig29
50 mirage2000/5

And replced by a 400 Tejas Rafale F16 & FGFA

 

[Daghalodi]

For those IDIOTS claiming too types of planes

F16 block 70 will replace both MIG29 & Jaguar mmrca

Tejas the Mig21/27

Rafale the MIRAGE2000.

IN OTHER WORDS by 2030

IAF will have

50+ FGFA
270 su30mki/super mki
72 rafale F3/F4
120 F16/70
120 Tejas mk1/mk1a


over 400 EXISTING IAF fighters will be gone
100 jaguars
150 mig21
50 mig27
60 mig29
50 mirage2000/5

And replced by a 400 Tejas Rafale F16 & FGFA

 

[My-Analogous]

All these logistic nightmare talks I have come across, are on this forum only. Even a much smaller PAF uses 4 different types of aircrafts. IAF uses 6-7 types of aircrafts and majority of them are Soviet/Russia origin. If IAF can handle heavy maintenance prone Soviet aircrafts, It would easily handle easy to maintain western aircrafts replacing the soviet oldies.


All these logistic nightmare talks I have come across, are on this forum only. Even a much smaller PAF uses 4 different types of aircrafts. IAF uses 6-7 types of aircrafts and majority of them are Soviet/Russia origin. If IAF can handle heavy maintenance prone Soviet aircrafts, It would easily handle easy to maintain western aircrafts replacing the soviet oldies.

PS: In short, these logistic nightmare thingy is exaggerated on this forum.

Asked any of your pro what i am talking about and what serviceability matter to any force.

For those IDIOTS claiming too types of planes

F16 block 70 will replace both MIG29 & Jaguar mmrca

Tejas the Mig21/27

Rafale the MIRAGE2000.

IN OTHER WORDS by 2030

IAF will have

50+ FGFA
270 su30mki/super mki
72 rafale F3/F4
120 F16/70
120 Tejas mk1/mk1a


over 400 EXISTING IAF fighters will be gone
100 jaguars
150 mig21
50 mig27
60 mig29
50 mirage2000/5

And replced by a 400 Tejas Rafale F16 & FGFA

That sound sensible and as i said earlier now no air force normally going beyond 3 to 5 platform

 

[el nino]

What about additional Rafales

I HAVE BEEN INFORMED that USA will help build the Vishul carrier in coming years.

And India has commited to F18 super hornets as carrier fighter of choice . This Hornet will off the shelf purchase and be the latest design with internal weapons bay.


STRATEGIC DECISION by both sides
Rafale will be airforce only

I HAVE ALSO BEEN INFORMED that despite IAF requsts for 42 squadrons of fighters to fight a 2 front war

The Governmenmt has proposd a leaner more meaner Air Force with 36 squdrons only

The deficit will be made up with

Investment in wide range of Sam from both indengious & overseas sources in particular Israel.
greater emphasis on UAV & UCAV
And coverage of air space via radars and satalites.

The AIRFORCE will quadruple its fire power and more far more deadly BUT not increase numbers

IAF has long known with pilot shortages it cannot operate more than 650 frontline fighters.

USA Israel and France & Russia will all receive orders for equipment

 

[egodoc222]

40 years in making and billions spent on it. So far nothing indigenous on tejas except for paint job and now iaf wants f16s and gripen to mess around with paf!!!

Achay din aagaye

We don't care if it costs us trillions, to screw your sorry @sses....
It's such a motivator for us to work even harder!!
We fight for the truth....you guys fight the truth...enough said!
And yes...acche din for us...not sure for you though!!

 

[ranadd]

What is wrong with having so many different platforms? Yes, people here tend to see that when you have minimum platforms, logistics will not be a problem. This could be true for smaller countries who has lesser number of fighters, but not for India...ex: India has near 280 MKI's....the larger number of each fighter type will its self take care of efficient logistics.

You are stupid to think like that and an idiot to post it public.

Try working in or with government tenders for once.

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

WASHINGTON: The Trump administration has told US Congress that defence cooperation with India would be an important pillar in the bilateral relationship as it needs the country to be a net security provider in the Indo-Pacific region.

The Trump regime has informed the Congress that it "strongly supports" transfers of F-18 and F-16 fighter proposals put forth by Boeing and Lockheed Martin respectively.

These proposals have the potential to take Indo-US defence ties to the next level, it said.

"The reason why defence cooperation with India is so vital to US interests is because we need India to be a net security provider in the Indo-Pacific, a region that serves as the fulcrum of global trade and commerce, with nearly half of the world's 90,000 commercial vessels - many sailing under the US flag, and two-thirds of traded oil travelling through the region," Alice Wells, acting assistant secretary of state for the South and Central Asian Affairs told a Congressional subcommittee in a written submission.

Wells is scheduled to testify before the House foreign affairs subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific on "Maintaining US Influence in South Asia: The FY 2018 Budget," on Thursday.

She said in her submission that the Indo-Asia Pacific region is also home to nearly half of the planet's population and some of the fastest growing economies on earth.

"Working with like-minded partners, India has the strategic and economic potential to uphold the international order that has served so much of humanity over the past seven decades. The investments we make in our security partnership now will pay dividends for decades to come," she said.

As fellow democracies, countering terrorism is the critical priority for both India and the United States, she asserted.

"India is situated in a dangerous neighbourhood, where terrorist attacks have killed both Indians and Americans alike. Joint training and capacity building are essential to expanding our CT cooperation," she said, citing the State Department Anti-Terrorism Assistance (ATA) program in which more than 1,100 Indian security personnel have received training from the US since 2009.

Wells said India is among America's most important strategic partners in the Indo-Pacific region.

"In the words of President Trump, the relationship between India and the United States has never been stronger, has never been better," she said in the testimony.

"The President's first meeting with Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi in June set a positive tone and ambitious agenda for strengthening bilateral ties, particularly in the areas of defence, energy and trade," she added.

Talking about the trade between the US and India in her written submission, Wells said the economic relationship has largely been on a positive trajectory and America needs to do more to balance the trade deficit between the two countries, which totalled nearly USD 30 billion last year.

"We are working closely with USTR and the Commerce Department to address the concerns of the US business community regarding India, including tariff and non-tariff barriers, subsidies, localisation policies, restrictions on investment, and intellectual property concerns that limit market access and impede US exporters and businesses from entering the Indian market," Wells said.

"Our bilateral trade has more than doubled in the last decade from $45 billion in 2006 to more than $114 billion in 2016. US exports to India support more than 260,000 American jobs across all 50 states," she said.

Last year alone, investment from Indian companies supported more than 52,000 jobs in the United States, she added.

She said the Trump administration is committed to ensure that the trade relationship with India is fair and reciprocal, and continue to press India to further open its markets and create a level-playing field for US companies.

According to Wells, tremendous opportunities lies in India's civil aviation market.

In early January 2017, SpiceJet, a private Indian airline, announced an order of 155 new Boeing 737 MAX 8s, taking its tally for the aircraft model to 205 total planes.

The final assembly of the MAX 737 takes place at the Boeing production facility in Renton, Washington.

Its US long term plan to establish India against Pakistan's future 5th gen fighter's exports.

 

[ranadd]

F16 for IAF (single engine) and F18 for IN (twin engine)?

So they will have:
Su30
Mig29
Mirage 2000
Jaguar
Rafale
Tejas
F16
F18

8 different fighters! Have they gone mad!? What do Indian members think about this?

IAF

Su30 - heavy or first wave. Replaced by FGFA by 2030.
Rafale - will be complemented by AMCA by 2030
Mig 21s is being phased out to stand by. Tejas and F16 for numbers. If LCA stays alive.
Jaguar - land attack. Rafale and LCA will replace this as well.

SFC - This is going to be sort of tri service command soon.

M2000 will be replaced by rafale - Nuclear delivery platform.

IN

Mig29 will be replace by rafales

So in the end it will end up being 5 or max 6 by 2030. Still a nightmare.

Its US long term plan to establish India against Pakistan's future 5th gen fighter's exports.

Pakistans what??!!!

 

[Daghalodi]

We don't care if it costs us trillions, to screw your sorry @sses....
It's such a motivator for us to work even harder!!
We fight for the truth....you guys fight the truth...enough said!
And yes...acche din for us...not sure for you though!!

As far as I see it your not screwing anyone except yourself and about the hard work motivation its been 40years uptill your work hard is still in gutters! No wonder its a sh!tty motivation,all hot air in 56 chest and nothing much.

 

[Imran Khan]

20-30 years late decision

 

[egodoc222]

As far as I see it your not screwing anyone except yourself and about the hard work motivation its been 40years uptill your work hard is still in gutters! No wonder its a sh!tty motivation,all hot air in 56 chest and nothing much.

Tell that to your whining army chief!

 

[Daghalodi]

Tell that to your whining army chief!

Tell what? That you have been working on building a silly plane for 40 years and achieved NOTHING? Even the kaveri project is reeking in gutters! Some motivation

 

[Archie]

F16 for IAF (single engine) and F18 for IN (twin engine)?

So they will have:
Su30
Mig29
Mirage 2000
Jaguar
Rafale
Tejas
F16
F18

8 different fighters! Have they gone mad!? What do Indian members think about this?

Mig29 will retire in 2028-30
Jaguar will retire in 2026-30
Mirage 2000 will serve till 2035

Any fighter we buy will enter service in 2022-23

Tejas will replace Mig21
PAKFA will replace Mig29
Rafale is more off a replacement for Mirage 2000 rather than Mig27

F16/F18/Gripen should ideally replace Mig27 and Jaguars,

In the long term the number of fighter types will fall to 5 or even 4 if India decides to scrap PAKFA buy and go for more Rafales
Su30MKIs will remain the backbone of Indian fleet till 2045 atleast

 

[egodoc222]

Tell what? That you have been working on building a silly plane for 40 years and achieved NOTHING? Even the kaveri project is reeking in gutters! Some motivation

I don't care if it takes another 100 years...even the prototype of tejas is enough to destroy paf.