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True art of Interrogation

I know a story... abt this sort of interrogation...they got everything out of them without torture or using his family... but the ending is pretty sad...
 
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Wow, even I forgot I wrote this piece some time ago, sorry for letting it go inactive.

I think the effectiveness of interrogation methods will be different up on person to person. The key is to find a "right mixture of interrogation techniques at right amount for each person being interrogated."Professionals, soldiers and terrorists also are trained to take physical torture to some extend, but how much more one can take ? especially when on the hands of people who have no rules or on limitation on what they can do or can't do to you. I think even a trained person himself doesn't know much torture he can take, he himself will find out the breaking point only when it comes to him for real.most of them will break at some point while few will hold up.

The key is not "Trying" to do anything to him, but rather you let him think that you "WILL" do anything to him.

This work both Psychological Torture or Physical Torture.

The key is, you let him think you will do whatever you threaten to do.

Say, if I tell you I am going to kill you and we never met. You would not believe that, right?

But if I made up some story, that either I have killed before? Or you and I have some sort of past tangled together before, then you will start buying that I am honestly wanted to kill you.

It's the same with Interrogating people. If you put on the table (Threats, Deal or whatever), there are at no position that the other person will believe that, but with a convincing story, you will. The key is, how you get that story??

Thəorətic Muslim;4407536 said:
Some points:

Violence perceived is the same as violence achieved.

Working a person is all about impairing their judgement, fear and the perception of violence, as above, works wonders.

A skilled interrogator will always be able to Break someone. Everyone has a breaking point. No matter the training of the person being interrogated. The only question is whether the interrogator is able to get the information he/she needs at the right time to be able to act upon it.

Every skilled interrogator will know that the more they work the person, the more likely they will believe any false information they spu out because it was much harder to get.

Well, that is the idea in a nutshell.

I cannot say that I am a pro on interrogating people, but I do know how to break people. Hard to just clear it out with some word here and there, but the key to breaking a person is that you need to know him or god forbid, her, inside and out.

First you need to know what you are expecting, put them in a stress test is a good way to separate the trained dude and the untrained one. Then you work your own way to get the info you need. It may not be pretty every time, but people will talk, one way or another, you just have to be able to "Catch the wave", is the term that I coin, clicked and viola, you got your info.

I know it sounded cheesy, but this is how I work.

@jhungary Well I have a few serious questions. I'd be glad if you answer.

1- what are the differences of Interrogation Technics when compared between Law Enforcements, MI and Intelligence Organisations.

2- Do all these are based on the same doctrine? Or do they have their own systems?

3- How's the American Community's view on US Goverment's Interrogation tactics?

4- How's the post-interrogation process of suspects/terrorists?

5- Well, of course it depends on the guy's views but what is the avarage technique/style of a successful interrogator?

6- During Officer/NCO trainings. Do soldiers get a course like "basic interrogation techniques" or sth? Or it's all up to the branch of the cadet?

Thanks

1.) There are many technique and they were shared in between Law Enforcement/Military Intelligence/Intelligence organisation.

No 2 cases are the same, so you are expect to mix around different technique to get the best result each time. All those are common ground.

However, what different is the raw parameter that goes with the interrogation.

You cannot use sleep deprivation as a tool to extract information out of a suspect if you are in Law Enforcement. And 9 out of 10 times the info you need at the end of the train is not as urgent as say to prevent your squad from getting ambush or preventing the next terrorist attack. There are literally no bound for the latter 2 cases but you are bounded by law because you are a Law Enforcement officer.

That is the big different, literally this different can lead to the total game changer. Otherwise, in term of technique, they are the same, just the degree on how far you can go is different.

2.) Police have their own system, while we have ours. Basically you are talking about the same technique but again the degree is different.

Say for example, I can tell my detainee that I got his sister and if you don't tell me something, I am going to sell her in the brothel (Of course you don't say it that politely....) or I am going to hand her to his secular enemy or even I am going to kill her. Which you cannot do that when you are a LEO interrogating a suspect. The prospect of "Duress" is the key different with both doctrine.

However, I should point this out now, both we and LEO were trained with Reid Technique. Which are the core basic of interrogation. But how you interpret those technique is a different ball game between soldier and La Enforcement.

Intelligence Organisation have their own book, and I do not know how they do things, beside from very effective result every time. Well, if I knew how they do stuff, you think I will still be here posting in forum :)

3.)Assume you are talking about the tactics we used overseas. Cause interrogation is highly governed inside United States. Because of all those lawyer.....

Most people don't actually know what we were doing. Confused at best, but I would say misinform is the word.

Yes, there are people abusing others over there, there are always sadistic individual anywhere....I can tell you this, people who are responsible for Abu Ghraib know jack shiite about interrogation. At best they are just sadistically abusing those prisoner.

There is a call to break someone down in working interrogation. Humiliation is one of the things you use as a tool to break people down. In term of Interrogation, you let them feel shame and you move on, but not continue the cycle of keep shaming them. I am not saying shaming is a good tool to get someone to talk, but let say that it is, isn't it's enough to shame the person only once, but not over and over again?? What you need is a break down of self esteem, not to destroy the man altogether.

For what it worth, those was the case of sadistic individual who got hold of immense power. And that's what general American saw on TV, hence this is what they perceive what we are doing over there. It takes years to build reputation but it only take one moment to trash it

4.) After they were interrogated, depending from individual to individual, some of them pose no threat and no use to us will be release, other that post threat to us will be continue to be detained, or maybe transfer to local authority pending situation, some of them are released and got turned into informant.

5.) As you said, this varies very differently. But I guess the game of interrogation is very much an "End Result" game, result said it all, each interrogation is a good interrogation when your end goal is achieved. And I have seen people done it with their mind and with their fist.

I personally admire those who got people to talk with interaction only, no violent involve, but we can't all live in a perfect world now can't we??

6.) Basic did cover some interrogation stuff, well, if you call "name, rank and serial number is all I can tell you" is sort of an interrogation technique....

Basic help fortified your body and mind and in a way, that contribute to resisting torture/interrogation. However, you only taught something specific when you are chosen, either into Spec Ops, SERE training or Intel course. It is a need to know basis.

The only thing I know about interrogation is what they teach in Investigative interviewing technique. But thank you for he op for an excellent summary on the subject.

Thanks for your comment :)

Interview is one part of interrogation, by no mean the only part, it's a dynamic and my article is trying to point people to an idea that interrogation is not always rough people up and the tough guy routine, sometime when truth can be coming out of talking, then, why not just talk ?? :)
 
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Wow, even I forgot I wrote this piece some time ago, sorry for letting it go inactive.



The key is not "Trying" to do anything to him, but rather you let him think that you "WILL" do anything to him.

This work both Psychological Torture or Physical Torture.

The key is, you let him think you will do whatever you threaten to do.

Say, if I tell you I am going to kill you and we never met. You would not believe that, right?

But if I made up some story, that either I have killed before? Or you and I have some sort of past tangled together before, then you will start buying that I am honestly wanted to kill you.

It's the same with Interrogating people. If you put on the table (Threats, Deal or whatever), there are at no position that the other person will believe that, but with a convincing story, you will. The key is, how you get that story??



Well, that is the idea in a nutshell.

I cannot say that I am a pro on interrogating people, but I do know how to break people. Hard to just clear it out with some word here and there, but the key to breaking a person is that you need to know him or god forbid, her, inside and out.

First you need to know what you are expecting, put them in a stress test is a good way to separate the trained dude and the untrained one. Then you work your own way to get the info you need. It may not be pretty every time, but people will talk, one way or another, you just have to be able to "Catch the wave", is the term that I coin, clicked and viola, you got your info.

I know it sounded cheesy, but this is how I work.



1.) There are many technique and they were shared in between Law Enforcement/Military Intelligence/Intelligence organisation.

No 2 cases are the same, so you are expect to mix around different technique to get the best result each time. All those are common ground.

However, what different is the raw parameter that goes with the interrogation.

You cannot use sleep deprivation as a tool to extract information out of a suspect if you are in Law Enforcement. And 9 out of 10 times the info you need at the end of the train is not as urgent as say to prevent your squad from getting ambush or preventing the next terrorist attack. There are literally no bound for the latter 2 cases but you are bounded by law because you are a Law Enforcement officer.

That is the big different, literally this different can lead to the total game changer. Otherwise, in term of technique, they are the same, just the degree on how far you can go is different.

2.) Police have their own system, while we have ours. Basically you are talking about the same technique but again the degree is different.

Say for example, I can tell my detainee that I got his sister and if you don't tell me something, I am going to sell her in the brothel (Of course you don't say it that politely....) or I am going to hand her to his secular enemy or even I am going to kill her. Which you cannot do that when you are a LEO interrogating a suspect. The prospect of "Duress" is the key different with both doctrine.

However, I should point this out now, both we and LEO were trained with Reid Technique. Which are the core basic of interrogation. But how you interpret those technique is a different ball game between soldier and La Enforcement.

Intelligence Organisation have their own book, and I do not know how they do things, beside from very effective result every time. Well, if I knew how they do stuff, you think I will still be here posting in forum :)

3.)Assume you are talking about the tactics we used overseas. Cause interrogation is highly governed inside United States. Because of all those lawyer.....

Most people don't actually know what we were doing. Confused at best, but I would say misinform is the word.

Yes, there are people abusing others over there, there are always sadistic individual anywhere....I can tell you this, people who are responsible for Abu Ghraib know jack shiite about interrogation. At best they are just sadistically abusing those prisoner.

There is a call to break someone down in working interrogation. Humiliation is one of the things you use as a tool to break people down. In term of Interrogation, you let them feel shame and you move on, but not continue the cycle of keep shaming them. I am not saying shaming is a good tool to get someone to talk, but let say that it is, isn't it's enough to shame the person only once, but not over and over again?? What you need is a break down of self esteem, not to destroy the man altogether.

For what it worth, those was the case of sadistic individual who got hold of immense power. And that's what general American saw on TV, hence this is what they perceive what we are doing over there. It takes years to build reputation but it only take one moment to trash it

4.) After they were interrogated, depending from individual to individual, some of them pose no threat and no use to us will be release, other that post threat to us will be continue to be detained, or maybe transfer to local authority pending situation, some of them are released and got turned into informant.

5.) As you said, this varies very differently. But I guess the game of interrogation is very much an "End Result" game, result said it all, each interrogation is a good interrogation when your end goal is achieved. And I have seen people done it with their mind and with their fist.

I personally admire those who got people to talk with interaction only, no violent involve, but we can't all live in a perfect world now can't we??

6.) Basic did cover some interrogation stuff, well, if you call "name, rank and serial number is all I can tell you" is sort of an interrogation technique....

Basic help fortified your body and mind and in a way, that contribute to resisting torture/interrogation. However, you only taught something specific when you are chosen, either into Spec Ops, SERE training or Intel course. It is a need to know basis.



Thanks for your comment :)

Interview is one part of interrogation, by no mean the only part, it's a dynamic and my article is trying to point people to an idea that interrogation is not always rough people up and the tough guy routine, sometime when truth can be coming out of talking, then, why not just talk ?? :)

Sir I was referring to tied investigative interviewing technique.
 
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I was wondering on this topic. If someone has a three stories, lies in the first one, pretends to break, but leaves small clues that he hasn't, and then finally does the big drama of breaking, and gives the third one. How can you tell which one is true? There are some people with lying skills that are barely believable. It works on the basis that you have to tell yourself that lie 60-70 times till you, yourself start believing that lie. After that, it's impossible for anyone to know.

So how do you catch these cases? Again, threatening family won't work if someone doesn't have any. Many are in this for money, and they might not even have contact with family, so how do you go about them?

Psychopathic individuals will also not care for family, and there are more than a few in this business, I guess. So how would you go about them?

Also, what if you don't have the information you need about the person? I know there are many trails but there are a few people that will have very little knowledge on a database, say someone from a rural area. What about them?
 
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Hi,

This is all fine and good----but nothing beats the charpai or manji that punjab police does to criminals---.

True art is just a frame of mind----the simple fact is that in the end they all break down---there are artists of physical and body and mind breaking torture techniques and they are as successful as anyone else's technique---you pray to God and you tell the truth and then pray that it ends sooner---.

Those masters of physical torture would be smiling at the subtleties.
 
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@jhungary

I was just curious to know if this is true??
I 've heard that in a country(I'm not naming it here) the prisoner is tied up in a dark room and then a drop of water is dropped on his forehead. The prisoner has no other option other than to wait for the next drop of water, this anticipation breaks them psychologically and I heard its a tried and tested method on even the most hardened terrorists.
 
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@jhungary

I was just curious to know if this is true??
I 've heard that in a country(I'm not naming it here) the prisoner is tied up in a dark room and then a drop of water is dropped on his forehead. The prisoner has no other option other than to wait for the next drop of water, this anticipation breaks them psychologically and I heard its a tried and tested method on even the most hardened terrorists.

I never heard of that, but that sound very similiar to the one that we use, which is based on Mossad Intelligence unit. Instead we give him a minor shock in the finger and we blindfold them instead of in a dark room

Using sensory deprivation technique work on many people but it takes time and some hardline one would not break that easily

it may seems strange to you but some time, our body expecting something to happen and when it does not, your mind WILL turned upside down. Take for an example, RAM cycle is one of the easiest example, try to imagine everytime your body tells you to sleep when the outside factor forbit you.....

Edit : Damn the typo, i am using PDf on mobile

I was wondering on this topic. If someone has a three stories, lies in the first one, pretends to break, but leaves small clues that he hasn't, and then finally does the big drama of breaking, and gives the third one. How can you tell which one is true? There are some people with lying skills that are barely believable. It works on the basis that you have to tell yourself that lie 60-70 times till you, yourself start believing that lie. After that, it's impossible for anyone to know.

So how do you catch these cases? Again, threatening family won't work if someone doesn't have any. Many are in this for money, and they might not even have contact with family, so how do you go about them?

Psychopathic individuals will also not care for family, and there are more than a few in this business, I guess. So how would you go about them?

Also, what if you don't have the information you need about the person? I know there are many trails but there are a few people that will have very little knowledge on a database, say someone from a rural area. What about them?

didnt know this until now....

Basically, the "stories" can all be truth and meanwhile can all he false and there are one fast simple rules, no matter hoe hard you try nobody can tell the same lies twices, thats because our mind keep modifing story and the closer you get to the truth, the more modification that story will be. simply because all lies are build with some truth in it

Say a man tell the same lies 50 or 60 times, and say for each lies you will need to build 3 or 4 fibracted evidence, the more lies you tell, you need a lot more lies to support it. That how you catch people were lying

In the end, all i can say maybe a bit cliche, but when you get lied to more then enough time, you can tells the lies from tye truth

About the family thing, thats just an example, the point is you need to study the person you want to interrogate. If I was put into a room with a dude i never met before, i could probably just sitting there and looking at each other, thereare nothing i can do if i know nothing about him...
 
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I was wondering on this topic. If someone has a three stories, lies in the first one, pretends to break, but leaves small clues that he hasn't, and then finally does the big drama of breaking, and gives the third one. How can you tell which one is true? There are some people with lying skills that are barely believable. It works on the basis that you have to tell yourself that lie 60-70 times till you, yourself start believing that lie. After that, it's impossible for anyone to know.

So how do you catch these cases? Again, threatening family won't work if someone doesn't have any. Many are in this for money, and they might not even have contact with family, so how do you go about them?

Psychopathic individuals will also not care for family, and there are more than a few in this business, I guess. So how would you go about them?

Also, what if you don't have the information you need about the person? I know there are many trails but there are a few people that will have very little knowledge on a database, say someone from a rural area. What about them?

Hi,

It all depends on the experience of the torturer----in case of the agency---they did not have much experience---they just believed in brute force right from gitgo----but the nations that have been in this business for a long time---you just pray that after you are done talking to them---you might be left with some hope of living.
 
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