Trousers replace khaki shorts of RSS workers

[GoodKnight]

RSS is not Military or militant organization ... its a Sociocultural Organization with Nationalistic ambitions... The Training with lathi is just meant for Physical exercise ... RSS is a highly Disciplined organization... Its not a organization for Loud mouths, the point when a person is understood to be a nuisance they are kicked out of sangha ... they dont promote use of Violence in any of its class...

The main objective of RSS was to remove Caste System and other age old traditions in Indian society which lags it from embracing modernity ... Eg :- In the past the opinion of RSS on LGBT was that its a Disease and they where vocal about it , But over the time they stopped giving any opinion on the issue recently when the spokesperson of RSS was asked about LGBT they said Sexual life of person is his personal matter RSS and sangh has no issues with a persons sexual orientation ...

Apart from that RSS runs a large number of schools in tribal area's which are more then 15,000 in numbers through it community service wing called Seva Bharati...

It has 3000 primary health centers and more then 200 centers of differently abled Childrens and a number of orphanages which again are run by Seva Bharati...

Some of the the biggest affiliated organizations of RSS are...


BJP its Political wing ( Biggest Political Party in the world in terms of numbers of members)...

Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangha Biggest Labour's organizations in India...

Akhil Bharatiya Vidhyarthi Parishad (ABVP) world's biggest students organization...

Bharatiya Kisan Sangha worlds Biggest peasants organization...

Although Bajrang Dal and Vishwa Hindu Parishad are supported organizations RSS has no say over them they work independently and most of the time against the advice of sangha ...


RSS has no affiliation with Indian defence forces ... although RSS has given platform for many Ex-army men and Widows and Families of Army men... RSS also considers its carders a secondary defense of the country in case of invasion...

It conducts the biggest Rescue and relief operation in every Flood, Tsunami, Earthquake they had their carders in Nepal during the last earth quake... Their rescue and relief operation is second only to government organizations ...

Best thing about Sangha is any Man can join it irrespective of religion, Caste that is the reason there are many Muslim , Jain , Buddhist, Sikh Sanghis ...

To the best of my knowledge, Muslims and Christians cannot join the RSS. Its an Hindu organisation.

Muslim Rashtriya Manch is the muslim affiliate of the RSS.

 

[Nair saab]

To the best of my knowledge, Muslims and Christians cannot join the RSS. Its an Hindu organisation.

Muslim Rashtriya Manch is the muslim affiliate of the RSS.

Your best Knowledge is wrong ... There are many Muslims in parent body RSS ... I have met Sikhs in the Camps as well...

 

[GoodKnight]

Your best Knowledge is wrong ... There are many Muslims in parent body RSS ... I have met Sikhs in the Camps as well...

Then what is the point of Muslim Rashtriya Manch ?

 

[Bitter Melon]

Then what is the point of Muslim Rashtriya Manch ?

I think Muslim Rashtriya Manch may be specifically aimed at Muslims who may not be entirely comfortable with the overtly Hindu character of RSS. RSS has lots of religious functions too, so only Muslims and Christians who are comfortable joining in these would be there in RSS.

 

[GoodKnight]

I think Muslim Rashtriya Manch may be specifically aimed at Muslims who may not be entirely comfortable with the overtly Hindu character of RSS. RSS has lots of religious functions too, so only Muslims and Christians who are comfortable joining in these would be there in RSS.

That does not make sense. Why would a muslim join a hindu organisation, its like saying a Hindu will join a Church. Even if the hindu wants to, the curch will not agree.

RSS expressed goal is the protection of Hindu political, cultural, and religious interests.

 

[Bitter Melon]

That does not make sense. Why would a muslim join a hindu organisation, its like saying a Hindu will join a Church. Even if the hindu wants to, the curch will not agree.

RSS expressed goal is the protection of Hindu political, cultural, and religious interests.

There are quite a few Muslims and Christians who are comfortable attending Hindu temples and prayers. These Muslims can very well join RSS and be part of it. Hindus do throng churches and darghas, so it is not a big deal. Muslim Rashtriya Manch is for those Muslims who are comfortable with Indian nationalism, even Hindu nationalism, and do not see it in conflict with their Islamic identity, but still want to maintain a degree of separation.

 

[GoodKnight]

There are quite a few Muslims and Christians who are comfortable attending Hindu temples and prayers. These Muslims can very well join RSS and be part of it. Hindus do throng churches and darghas, so it is not a big deal. Muslim Rashtriya Manch is for those Muslims who are comfortable with Indian nationalism, even Hindu nationalism, and do not see it in conflict with their Islamic identity, but still want to maintain a degree of separation.

I did not say Hindus do not go to church, Mahim church has more hindus than christians and even haji Ali Darga has a substantial hindu crowd. But the reverse is not true. Maybe there are exceptions, but that is all.

Can you name 3 muslim leaders of RSS and not MRM.

 

[Pakistani E]

That is your opinion and I see no reasons to either agree or disagree with you. You are not an Indian and as such your opinion mean nothing to me or Govt. of India.

So YOu have failed to answer me why GoI should refuse to allow RSS members from joining the army or police.

Your logic is that since YOU personally have a prejudiced view, the GoI should share your view and act accordingle ?




Is that why pakistani Army wears brown pants ? True story.

Lol When did I say I am here to convince you or the Indian Gov. on banning RSS. I presented my opinion, which is as valid as yours. If Indians can comment on threads related to internal affairs of Pakistan, then I see no reason why I shouldn't either, Especially since, you know...this is "Pakistan" Defence Forum.

RSS is not Military or militant organization ... its a Sociocultural Organization with Nationalistic ambitions... The Training with lathi is just meant for Physical exercise ... RSS is a highly Disciplined organization... Its not a organization for Loud mouths, the point when a person is understood to be a nuisance they are kicked out of sangha ... they dont promote use of Violence in any of its class...

The main objective of RSS was to remove Caste System and other age old traditions in Indian society which lags it from embracing modernity ... Eg :- In the past the opinion of RSS on LGBT was that its a Disease and they where vocal about it , But over the time they stopped giving any opinion on the issue recently when the spokesperson of RSS was asked about LGBT they said Sexual life of person is his personal matter RSS and sangh has no issues with a persons sexual orientation ...

Apart from that RSS runs a large number of schools in tribal area's which are more then 15,000 in numbers through it community service wing called Seva Bharati...

It has 3000 primary health centers and more then 200 centers of differently abled Childrens and a number of orphanages which again are run by Seva Bharati...

Some of the the biggest affiliated organizations of RSS are...


BJP its Political wing ( Biggest Political Party in the world in terms of numbers of members)...

Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangha Biggest Labour's organizations in India...

Akhil Bharatiya Vidhyarthi Parishad (ABVP) world's biggest students organization...

Bharatiya Kisan Sangha worlds Biggest peasants organization...

Although Bajrang Dal and Vishwa Hindu Parishad are supported organizations RSS has no say over them they work independently and most of the time against the advice of sangha ...


RSS has no affiliation with Indian defence forces ... although RSS has given platform for many Ex-army men and Widows and Families of Army men... RSS also considers its carders a secondary defense of the country in case of invasion...

It conducts the biggest Rescue and relief operation in every Flood, Tsunami, Earthquake they had their carders in Nepal during the last earth quake... Their rescue and relief operation is second only to government organizations ...

Best thing about Sangha is any Man can join it irrespective of religion, Caste that is the reason there are many Muslim , Jain , Buddhist, Sikh Sanghis ...

That's good to know, can you just tell me why others within India accuse RSS of being religious fascists. I won't bring Non Indian view as it would likely be bias, if they really do not encourage violence and truly follow the peaceful teachings of Hinduism then I have no issue with them at all.

chaddi is better for movement when doing physical work or sports. Trousers must be baggy pants and has its own problems

First you need to understand what RSS is instead of getting carried away by usual nonsense peddled by secular libtards.

RSS stands for Rasthryia (National) Swayamsevak (Selfhelping) Sangh(organization or group). Their local meetings and activities are public and any one can join it. Most of its members & ideals lean towards hindu values. This is more due to the fact that the organization was started in 1925 to bring hindus under one umbrella to make them a effective unit.
Just like any other organization they have their share of good & bad. There are other organizations which espouse more fundamentalist leanings but being smaller in size dont get noticed.

You can get more info here,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh

State of Karnataka v. Ranganathacharya Agnihotri
Similar decisions were made by the High courts of different states of India in different cases of political persecution of RSS volunteers.[143] One case involved Ranganathacharya Agnihotri, who was selected for the post of Munsiff but was not absorbed into service at least partially because he had been a volunteer of the RSS in his past. When Agnihotri approached to the then High Court of Mysore (now Karnataka High Court), he was reinstated. The Court said:

Prima facie the RSS is a non-political cultural organisation without any hatred or ill will towards non-Hindus and that many eminent and respected persons in the country have not hesitated to preside over the functions or appreciate the work of its volunteers. In a country like ours which has accepted the democratic way of life (as ensured by the Constitution), it would not be within reason to accept the proposition that mere membership of such peaceful or non-violent association and participation in activities thereof, will render a person (in whose character and antecedents there are no other defects) unsuitable to be appointed to the post of a Munsiff.

— Karnataka High Court

I should stress here that I have no issue with RSS being a Hindu leaning organisation as I would support all religious organisations which encourage the traditional values of religion in modern secular societies which have eroded morality in the name of freedom. If the purpose of RSS is to only enlighten Hindus in following their religion then I think that is commendable, however my question is, why is RSS being increasingly seen as being linked to organisations that are far more extreme and have been accused of communal violence.

Well i support the idea that all fascist organization should be closely monitored, but they cannot be stopped from joining any govt organisations. As a democracy we cannot withhold this right even to fascists. If they behave opposite to the liberal secular and just values of the nation then they will be stopped by the democratic process.
Fascists do exist in every country, it is a part of the social fabric.

I agree with the general sentiment of your post, I just had in mind the case of membership of organisations like BNP and National Front in the U.K, who's members are actually prohibited from joining Police and Prison services as well as teachers.

I was just curious if such a rule existed, at the end of the day, it is up to Indians themselves to decide what happens in their country.

 

[Imran Khan]

Ander to whi hateful idiot hi ho ga na

 

[Nair saab]

That's good to know, can you just tell me why others within India accuse RSS of being religious fascists. I won't bring Non Indian view as it would likely be bias, if they really do not encourage violence and truly follow the peaceful teachings of Hinduism then I have no issue with them at all.

People oppose because RSS is the parent body of the Principle National Party BJP which rules 15 states in India apart from the Central government... These are states ruled by BJP with its allies in NDA...

At current political scenario BJP cant be challenged by any Parties of India, Congress which is the principle opposition just has 44 seats in National assembly while BJP alone has 280 seats, just 272 is needed form the central government and BJP plus its allies (NDA) make 338 seats of total 545...


BJP derives its carders from RSS and Sangha Pariwar ... so whats better way to weaken BJP then targeting RSS... To what BJP has become today from it inception is with RSS starting a Branches in a Area attracting youths in their Camps... these Youth Carders later act as the BJP ground force for election campaign ...


Most of the political and administrative policies of BJP are derived from RSS core values , RSS Think Tanks (Bharatiya Vichara Kendra)... But BJP doesnt follow economic policies of RSS ... Economics of RSS is a kind of leftist while BJP has very liberal economic policies and focuses on Industrialization and Advanced Service sector ...

Although RSS doesnt control BJP in any way but RSS does give advice to BJP and some cases also forces advices on them... The present PM is a RSS carder but he is well know for defying RSS advice and forcing RSS to tow his lines...

The people who oppose RSS are mostly opposition parties of BJP , Leftwing intellectuals and Leftwing media because BJP is culturally a rightwing party and left wing in every country opposes everything culturally related to land and people...

They say India is multi ethnic Multi Caste society so uniting them under one organization is dangerous... Dont ask me why do they think so because i never understood their logic behind this... Since uniting a country based on one culture and removing castism is best thing that can happen to India ...

RSS never trains anyone to Kill and when ever some body is accused of Killing, theft, Rape or any other crime RSS disassociate those people in question ... I have spend many years in RSS...

There are some slightly Extreme fringe groups Banjrangdal and VHP associated with RSS but RSS doesnt have any control on them...

RSS is very Big organization its a Country with in a Country, so its very difficult to understand its functioning even if you have worked a decade with them...

 

[GoodKnight]

Lol When did I say I am here to convince you or the Indian Gov. on banning RSS. I presented my opinion, which is as valid as yours. If Indians can comment on threads related to internal affairs of Pakistan, then I see no reason why I shouldn't either, Especially since, you know...this is "Pakistan" Defence Forum.

What you shared was a Fantasy, not an opinion.

 

[Bitter Melon]

I did not say Hindus do not go to church, Mahim church has more hindus than christians and even haji Ali Darga has a substantial hindu crowd. But the reverse is not true. Maybe there are exceptions, but that is all.

Can you name 3 muslim leaders of RSS and not MRM.

There are only some 2000+ odd Hindu pracharaks out of the 6-7 million RSS membership. Considering Muslims form a micro minuscule number of its membership I won't be betting on finding 3 Muslim leaders in its ranks. That in no way negates the fact that there are Muslims and Christians who are members of this organisation.