Traditional chinese costume . We eliminate your misunderstanding of Chinese costume and hairstyle.

[Andrei]

Hail "皇漢"

Although you deny that you are Manchu, but what you did is doubtful, at least we do not promote hate, we just promote own culture, what do you fear about? No matter how you slander Chinese clothes and culture, since Hanfu Movement in 2003, chinese were slandered by you all the time, but still more and more Han Chinese clothing movement over the world, range more widely, and most of them are young people , and when young people to master the national economy, culture, power later, Chinese culture will be revived, no matter how you struggle, this trend is unstoppable, which is why wrote " the Olympic revival of the 19th century, 20th, revival of hebrew language " they also met a lot of opposition at the beginning

do you know why we hated the manchus? the arrogant manchus put down Vietnam.

while the Ming considered Vietnam below Korea within the tributes system, the Qing put down Vietnam far behind Korea, in 1840 even had placed the Nguyen envoy below those from Korea, Laos, Siam and Ryukyu. that was a provocation. Can you imagine: Vietnam was ranked lower than Siam and Laos? yes, the Manchus wanted to push Vietnam into a course of confrontation.

then you will know, they even did these to vietnam, how did they do in china when chine under control of manchu, they forced chinese wear manchu costume, and abandon our own culture, if not , all will be killed, many cities became empty cities, because all be killed

Hail "皇漢"

还有，无论你怎么黑，争论越多，引起别人的注意越多，我还要感谢你们这些铁杆反对的人，引起别人越来越多的注意，我们的目的就是宣传汉服，无论别人的印象是好还是坏，至少以后他们看到汉服知道是中国人，而不是日本人，看到旗袍马褂想起来是满族人而不是汉族人，这些就够了，你要怎么黑，尽管来。引起注意越多越好。

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Übrigens, ich habe Hanfu auf wikipedia deutsch geschrieben, um die chinesische Kultur und traditionelle Kostüm vorzustellen. Aber die Mandschu hat es immer geändert und verfälscht. was sie gemacht haben, ist sehr unfreundlich. Asien Geschichte ist sehr komplex. Wir wollen gut zu bekommen, wie in Europa. Jede respektiert die andere . Aber das ist leider unmöglich, viele viele Leute immer da gegen.
19. Jahrhundert, hat Pierre de Coubertin die Olympischen Spiele wiederbelebt, die seit 500 Jahren tot war. weil Olympischen Spiele war schon lange Zeit von Leute vergessen. Und Coubertin hat es wiederbelebt. Weil das ist ein kultur der Menschen, wir können die nicht verlieren.


20. Jahrhundert, hat Eliezer Ben-Yehuda die hebräische Sprache wiederbelebt, die seit 2000 Jahren tot war. Hebräische sprache ist die Sprache von Judischen, das ist auch wertvolle Kulturerbe von Judischen, und Hanfu ist auch wertvolle Kulturerbe Chinas

Look, the ancient Olympic Games were suppressed with the introduction of Christianity in Rome in the 4th century CE, that's much longer than the 500 years that you said. Baron de Coubertin revived that ancient tradition without attacking or blaming Christianity, instead he spent all his energy to give the new games a positive message and meaning by reminding us the positive aspects of the classical games in old Hellas.

So, instead of blaming the Qing Dynasty for the lost of the Hanfu tradition, why not seeing the Hanfu movement as en enrichment of the traditional Chinese dresses? I like the qipao as well as the hanfu, both have their place in Chinese history. The only thing I don't like is the haircut of the Manchu. It looks silly.

So, be positive, don't blame, don't put down others.

 

[Andrei]

Look, the ancient Olympic Games were suppressed with the introduction of Christianity in Rome in the 4th century CE, that's much longer than the 500 years that you said. Baron de Coubertin revived that ancient tradition without attacking or blaming Christianity, instead he spent all his energy to give the new games a positive message and meaning by reminding us the positive aspects of the classical games in old Hellas.

So, instead of blaming the Qing Dynasty for the lost of the Hanfu tradition, why not seeing the Hanfu movement as en enrichment of the traditional Chinese dresses? I like the qipao as well as the hanfu, both have their place in Chinese history. The only thing I don't like is the haircut of the Manchu. It looks silly.

So, be positive, don't blame, don't put down others.

We never blame that, you see, who start arguing that first? we just tell the history, how hanfu disappeared and now we try revival them, so tell history is blame modern manchu? I don't think so, just like, the world talk about Nazi history, does it mean we hate modern germans? of course not, same to china, we just want the world know real chinese traditional, but some people unwilling to see this, so they are trying mislead others into argument of history, from this , you will know, who are trying to blame our hanfu movement

 

[Götterdämmerung]

We never blame that, you see, who start arguing that first? we just tell the history, how hanfu disappeared and now we try revival them, so tell history is blame modern manchu? I don't think so, just like, the world talk about Nazi history, does it mean we hate modern germans? of course not, same to china, we just want the world know real chinese traditional, but some people unwilling to see this, so they are trying mislead others into argument of history, from this , you will know, who are trying to blame our hanfu movement

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Andrei]

Thanks for clarifying.

you are welcome

 

[Götterdämmerung]

you are welcome

Now, can we get back to more great pics?

 

[Andrei]

Now, can we get back to more great pics?

of course, i will show you more pics and videos.
This is hanfu dance

 

[sahaliyan]

lol tell the biased history,spread hate is a good thing?
Can anyone answer me,what the loss of Han female traditional dress to do with Manchus?
And what is "real Chinese"?

 

[Viet]

it is not necessarily bad to return to traditional costumes.
this is Vietnam.

 

[Rechoice]

do you know why we hated the manchus? the arrogant manchus put down Vietnam.

while the Ming considered Vietnam below Korea within the tributes system, the Qing put down Vietnam far behind Korea, in 1840 even had placed the Nguyen envoy below those from Korea, Laos, Siam and Ryukyu. that was a provocation. Can you imagine: Vietnam was ranked lower than Siam and Laos? yes, the Manchus wanted to push Vietnam into a course of confrontation.

LOL, I think An Nam guo forgot many time to pay tribute as he could. Tribute system is no UN of past and no good, bro.

 

[Andrei]

it is not necessarily bad to return to traditional costumes.
this is Vietnam.

but it looks different with vietnam in ancient, looks more like modern mix

 

[Viet]

but it looks different with vietnam in ancient, looks more like modern mix

yes, a combination of old and new

 

[Andrei]

lol tell the biased history,spread hate is a good thing?
Can anyone answer me,what the loss of Han female traditional dress to do with Manchus?
And what is "real Chinese"?

I tell you, in qing dynasty, manchu ruler ordered Chinese men must cut hair and change costume, and didn't say women must, but in Qing dynasty, manchu regarded chinese as slaves, and oppressed chinese, discrimination were everywherehan, so women had to wear manchu custome, let themselves look like manchu, avoided being oppressed . so you can say, it is none businees with Qing Dynasty??

 

[Snomannen]

Although you deny that you are Manchu, but what you did is doubtful, at least we do not promote hate, we just promote own culture, what do you fear about? No matter how you slander Chinese clothes and culture, since Hanfu Movement in 2003, chinese were slandered by you all the time, but still more and more Han Chinese clothing movement over the world, range more widely, and most of them are young people , and when young people to master the national economy, culture, power later, Chinese culture will be revived, no matter how you struggle, this trend is unstoppable, which is why wrote " the Olympic revival of the 19th century, 20th, revival of hebrew language " they also met a lot of opposition at the beginning


还有，无论你怎么黑，争论越多，引起别人的注意越多，我还要感谢你们这些铁杆反对的人，引起别人越来越多的注意，我们的目的就是宣传汉服，无论别人的印象是好还是坏，至少以后他们看到汉服知道是中国人，而不是日本人，看到旗袍马褂想起来是满族人而不是汉族人，这些就够了，你要怎么黑，尽管来。引起注意越多越好。

You talk just like those part-time old women from Falun Gong who annoy mainland Chinese tourists at tourist attractions. Last time I was so annoyed that I tell one of them to shut up and say that you people are just bunch of liars , guess what, they stared to call me a 5Mao and even a brainwashed member of the vile CCP~ :

In Falun Gong's mind:
(1) Everyone who stand against them must be CCP member or 5mao;
(2) Those who use facts and sources to refute Falun Gong's point of view must be standing against democracy and freedom;
(3) We are getting stronger and stronger, we are all over the world, even foreigners support us;
(4) CCP will fall, sooner or later there will be democracy in China;
(5) We are the true representative of the true Chinese culture, there are only have fake culture in China blah blah blah...

And you say you people hate Falun Gong, more like you people are just a branch of them~
Besides when did I ever deny that I'm Manchurian, nor did I admit~Have you ever graduated from kindergarten.

It is funny that how you slander me "slandering about" Hanfu but you cannot refute a word of the reference and sources I have posted here. All you have been doing is cursing around and spreading your lies and hate. Oh and speaking of attention, well yes I would LOVE to see that if there is more people around the world know about "hanfu"~ I never hate or stand against the object "hanfu", I'm standing against the people, the so-called "hanfu movement" which is organized by a bunch of liars and mad racists who can't even read classical Chinese yet dare to claim that they are the leader of the new "renaissance" just like your kind. And I really enjoy telling and showing everyone your true color ~

 

[Snomannen]

Thanks for clarifying.

Let me show you some Hanfu pictures too:

A bunch of people seeing an opera, in Qing Dynasty,

A bunch of workers and mandarins working on river improvement around the Yellow River, in Qing Dynasty,

Some Chinese women everyday lives, in Qing Dynasty, drawn by a Japanese. Can you even find any typical Manchurian clothing here.

Some famous drawings drawn by famous painters in Qing Dynasty.
This is a historical record about the clothing style of several officials during the Earlier Qing, which mentions that their hair were shaved, yet their clothing were still old style (Ming dynasty style).

［金珠衣飾，書籍器皿，遍列通衢，其價甚賤。有錢買歸者，後獲大利。新太守張（按：張銚，偃 師人）住進士陳子龍宅。華亭縣陳鑑、海防楊之易，即忠臣楊漣長子，時雖剃髮，猶漢人衣冠，烏紗大帶，不改舊服也。餘以丁艱，不與科試，兼欲告閒，而同袍之 告退者不一人。學師欲索重價，餘以力綿中止。九月十三日，督鎮李成棟點驗各兵，餘與曹馳尹儒冠往觀之。李尚烏紗玉帶，用八座大轎，抬於門首，馬步卒皆疾趨 而過，軍威嚴肅，莫可名狀。］

－－《乙酉筆記》

This is another historical record which mentions a scholar was asked by an officer to teach at school, had been wearing old style clothing (Ming style) until the end of his life. He was even being well treated by the officer, in Qing dynasty:
總督鄂【諱善】政崇風教，自巡撫時，雅慕先生，知先生不履城市，難以屈致。是年，修複關中書院，拔各郡俊士於中，乃因提學鍾朗致饑渴，又因鹹寧郭丞 通禮意，四月，肅幣聘先生講學。先生力辭至再，鄂公敦延愈殷，三往然後應。鍾 以先生衣服寬博不時，預製小袖時袍馳送，先生笑而藏之，仍寬博以往。至城南雁 塔，鍾出城奉迎，見之愕然。先生曰：「仆非官僚紳士，又非武弁營丁，窄衣小袖，素所弗便。寬衣博袖，乃庶人常服；仆本庶人，不敢自異。且庶人無入公門之 理，區區生平，安庶人之分，未嚐投足公門，今進書院，諸公見頗，斷不敢破戒報謁。」鍾為之備逢。鄂曰：「餘等聘先生，原為沐教，豈可令其頓違生 平。」

－－《二曲集》


Now we back to OP's statement:
And 21th century, Chinese will revive the traditional costume Hanfu, which died for 400 years, Chinese were forced to abandon Hanfu by Manchu rulers in1644.

Find anything interesting?


This is how the ruler of Ming dynasty treated the dead body of a Han general (former Qing general) who massacred and forced Han people to shave their hair -by organizing a super grand funeral:

［永歷朝廷追贈李成棟為寧夏王，謚忠武，賜祭九壇，葬禮極為隆重，“甲馬數十隊以彩繒為之，一時灰燼”；“愛妾數人皆令盛服赴火死，盡用夷禮”］
-- 《南明史》 第十六章 第三節

This is how Han people during Ming dynasty forced minorities to changed their hairstyle and traditional clothing, which was exactly what Qing also did to Han people in Later Ming.

［凡新拘留被擄民婦，各蒙親屬認領還家。至於降蠻老幼婦女數千餘人，各變姓名，易冠服，配去遠方衛所安置。於是九絲一空，都蠻盡平。］
－《兩朝平攘錄·都掌》