Tracing Humans

[Omega007]

It is called "belief"
Everyone need to have some code of life, some belief to hold to, something to follow. For you it may be Darwin for me it is Religion in this case. As per the modern progressive societies and its code of conduct that you preach, allowance for falling for what you call "mumbo jumbo" is free will. A freedom of expression and to makes ones own choices.
So whats the big argument?

Sir, again, I've got nothing against you believing in what you want to believe.Heck, many Indians believe in flying and talking monkeys and holy cows and what not, which very often becomes the subject of jokes and rants.So what??All I'm trying to do here is just showing the inconsistencies of those believes.I mean ,come on, we know monkeys can't fly, or talk.So that faith is completely absurd.
The same is the case with creationism, there are just too many inconsistency in there.Believing in it or anything which gives you peace is perfectly alright, but you shouldn't reject the more plausible explanations just because they happen to contradict with your set of beliefs.Just keep an open mind, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Arsalan]

The point is very obvious sir.

Per your theory, Earth was populated by generations of incestual siblings.

First order siblings.

So you think those apes were from some moral high grounds who would have avoided incestual relations?
These are the debates you can try and have with some scholars if you are interested in learning all about it, i might not be able to clear all your doubts but i did gave you a logical reason to think about. That is, if this is the intention. Else this thread will also go down the drains soon enough once the mods are here are the debates are more focused on ridiculing others rather then learning about them. I have been here long enough to see that happen.

I can live with that sir.

good enough!

 

[laphroaig]

So you think those apes were from some moral high grounds who would have avoided incestual relations?
These are the debates you can try and have with some scholars if you are interested in learning all about it, i might not be able to clear all your doubts but i did gave you a logical reason to think about. That is, if this is the intention. Else this thread will also go down the drains soon enough once the mods are here are the debates are more focused on ridiculing others rather then learning about them. I have been here long enough to see that happen.

Sir it is called natural selection. Incest and the avoidance of the same has very little to do with morals.

 

[Arsalan]

Sir, again, I've got nothing against you believing in what you want to believe.Heck, many Indians believe in flying and talking monkeys and holy cows and what not, which very often becomes the subject of jokes and rants.So what??All I'm trying to do here is just showing the inconsistencies of those believes.I mean ,come on, we know monkeys can't fly, or talk.So that faith is completely absurd.
The same is the case with creationism, there are just too many inconsistency in there.Believing in it or anything which gives you peace is perfectly alright, but you shouldn't reject the more plausible explanations just because they happen to contradict with your set of beliefs.Just keep an open mind, that's all I'm saying.

Oh sure thing. Keeping an open mind is actually what have been asked of time and time again, even in this same religion!!

Sir it is called natural selection. Incest and the avoidance of the same has very little to do with morals.

No dear. It is just believing on one thing while ignoring the other just because you choose so and not because of many reasons. Remember that "reasons" are not scientific only, those are explanations!!

 

[laphroaig]

Oh sure thing. Keeping an open mind is actually what have been asked of time and time again, even in this same religion!!

Sir can you tell me how I can get enough posts so that I can introduce myself? I have made more than the required 5 posts here but I cannot post on the introduction forum.

 

[Nilgiri]

So you think those apes were from some moral high grounds who would have avoided incestual relations?

There is actually a very strong incest taboo present in nature in more evolved lifeforms with relatively long lifespans (like say mammals).

BTW, does Islam also state that Eve was made from the rib of Adam?

 

[Omega007]

So you think those apes were from some moral high grounds who would have avoided incestual relations?
These are the debates you can try and have with some scholars if you are interested in learning all about it, i might not be able to clear all your doubts but i did gave you a logical reason to think about. That is, if this is the intention. Else this thread will also go down the drains soon enough once the mods are here are the debates are more focused on ridiculing others rather then learning about them. I have been here long enough to see that happen.

Actually,animals in the wild rarely indulge in incest if at all!!The nature has got its own mechanism to prevent that, you know, like the young adult males are always driven out of the herds and stuffs like that.It's not that the animals do this just for this purpose as if they understand the danger act of inbreeding may pose, but it gets the job done.

Oh sure thing. Keeping an open mind is actually what have been asked of time and time again, even in this same religion!!

True, very true and that's the case with most religions.Unfortunately, too many followers just fail realise this and thus often end up developing a sense of contempt for the followers of other religions if not being out right hostile to them.And this applies to the followers of all the religions and even to some without religions!!I guess that's how our genes have been programmed, to be dismissive of others.Actually, the book named "The Selfish Gene" covers this subject in vivid details.

 

[Nilgiri]

Sir, again, I've got nothing against you believing in what you want to believe.Heck, many Indians believe in flying and talking monkeys and holy cows and what not, which very often becomes the subject of jokes and rants.So what??All I'm trying to do here is just showing the inconsistencies of those believes.I mean ,come on, we know monkeys can't fly, or talk.So that faith is completely absurd.
The same is the case with creationism, there are just too many inconsistency in there.Believing in it or anything which gives you peace is perfectly alright, but you shouldn't reject the more plausible explanations just because they happen to contradict with your set of beliefs.Just keep an open mind, that's all I'm saying.

You are trying to juxtapose the philosophies of rational evidence with that of faith. They are separate and should be left to be so.

Each individual should be free to choose what he/she is more interested in exploring.

Sir can you tell me how I can get enough posts so that I can introduce myself? I have made more than the required 5 posts here but I cannot post on the introduction forum.

Hey bro are you a scotch lover by any chance?

You may have to wait for some time till you can introduce yourself in the forum there....it happened for me too. They run your IP and so on to make sure you are not a double account etc

 

[laphroaig]

Hey bro are you a scotch lover by any chance?

Guilty as charged.

My latest peaty delight ....

Too nice.

 

[Omega007]

You are trying to juxtapose the philosophies of rational evidence with that of faith. They are separate and should be left to be so.

I'm not trying to do that, because I firmly believe or rather I know that faith and rational evidence do not belong in the same sentence and one can not believe in both.What I'm trying to say is that just because one has a faith doesn't mean he has to close the door on science, on the facts!!People should take in both and then choose for themselves, that's all I'm suggesting here!!

Each individual should be free to choose what he/she is more interested in exploring.

In that case, no religious person should venture in the world of science!!And do you realise what would be the consequences if people start to follow your idea, people of a country not unlike ours where 99.99% are deeply religious??!!

 

[Nilgiri]

I'm not trying to do that, because I firmly believe or rather I know that faith and rational evidence do not belong in the same sentence and one can not believe in both.What I'm trying to say is that just because one has a faith doesn't mean he has to close the door on science, on the facts!!People should take in both and then choose for themselves, that's all I'm suggesting here!!


In that case, no religious person should venture in the world of science!!And do you realise what would be the consequences if people start to follow your idea, people of a country not unlike ours where 99.99% are deeply religious??!!

OK fair enough. BTW I am not saying someone cannot be interested and explore both. They are not mutually exclusive in that regard. It is up to the individual on how to reconcile being on both roads. I personally require evidence and logic of a very high degree to establish knowledge....but I accept that this is not the case for everyone.

 

[Arsalan]

BTW, does Islam also state that Eve was made from the rib of Adam?

I think it is a misquote!
Like there are things which are more in a symbolic tone and not as words meaning. Plus as i said, perhaps a scholar can guide you better about that if you are really interested in it.

 

[Omega007]

OK fair enough. BTW I am not saying someone cannot be interested and explore both. They are not mutually exclusive in that regard. It is up to the individual on how to reconcile being on both roads.

Fair enough.

I personally require evidence and logic of a very high degree to establish knowledge....but I accept that this is not the case for everyone.

You are fortunate that you are living in Canada, cause people in general do not take individual like you and me all that nicely if you know what I mean. I've practically been a total outcast to the point where parents would not let their children near me and all this, just because I 'showed the audacity to call out a priest on his claims and disrespect the religion and its gods', in reality, i just asked a few question, that's all my 'guilt' was!!And this happened to me, a Brahmin and that too in a statelike West Bengal where people are supposed to be more tolerant and accepting towards differing viewpoints, i can only imagine what would have happened of me if I happened to live in a more conservative state.

 

[egodoc222]

It's Caucasian....Adam and eve....and a forbidden meal!!

 

[Nilgiri]

Guilty as charged.

My latest peaty delight ....

Too nice.

I find the peaty islays are best enjoyed in the winter next to a warm fireplace.

You are fortunate that you are living in Canada, cause people in general do not take individual like you and me all that nicely if you know what I mean. I've practically been a total outcast to the point where parents would not let their children near me and all this, just because I 'showed the audacity to call out a priest on his claims and disrespect the religion and its gods', in reality, i just asked a few question, that's all my 'guilt' was!!And this happened to me, a Brahmin and that too in a statelike West Bengal where people are supposed to be more tolerant and accepting towards differing viewpoints, i can only imagine what would have happened of me if I happened to live in a more conservative state.

I know of this issue. Its too bad because Nyaya (logic) and Carvaka (agnostic) schools of thought were once quite popular in earlier times.

Hopefully the attitude overall in the country will improve with time.

I myself like to explore religious ethics that underly the stories (as well as tracing the historicity of these stories)...because I can apply scientific and logical rigour to that and religious people (at least the ones I know personally) enjoy that immensely since they are often only caught up in the superstition/cultural practice of it (which I also try to learn about as to the deeper meaning etc because it often has an ethical or moral significance that people do not know about)

But I can only have serious deep conversations with people that follow basic Aristotlean philosophy.