Toothless sanctions? Iranian oil trade booming, China top buyer

[gambit]

economic and political force old man

Yeah...Of course you have to expand the definition of 'force' to the absurdity. Am still waiting for how did US allies Japan, South Korea, and Canada entered Viet Nam during the US sanction years. I guess 'The Force' was not with US back then.

ussr is not aiding vietnam every single year

Is that the point?

Soviet Union agrees to grant Hanoi economic aid — History.com This Day in History — 7/18/1955

Jul 18, 1955:
Soviet Union agrees to grant Hanoi economic aid

Following a visit from Ho Chi Minh and his ministers, the Soviet Union announces that it will grant Hanoi 400 million rubles (about $100 million) in economic aid. On July 7, China had announced that Beijing would extend Hanoi economic aid of 800 million yuan (about $200 million). The July grants from China and the Soviet Union enabled Hanoi to initiate an ambitious industrialization program. In less than 10 years, the North was producing items not yet made in the South. Continued aid from Hanoi's fellow communist nations would sustain North Vietnam in its war against the South Vietnamese and their American allies until 1975, when they defeated the South Vietnamese forces and reunified the country.

That was back in 1955 when Viet Nam was divided. The highlighted completed SHATTERED any arguments you have presented and ever can bring forth on how the US sanction is to blame for North Korea's misery.

I repeat: DPRK is deficient in food production and supply while vietnam is not. that is why the impact of a sanction on DPRK is so severe and the usa is using this "food aid" as a weapon trying to bring the north koreans to submission

Repeating the same debunked argument does not make it true.

you are talking trash again. China has evolved into a model of its own!

Sure. Because Marxism as an economic model failed. But if China abandoned it but North Korea retains it, then why blame outsiders for North Korea's economic misery? Your argument make no sense. As usual.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Apparently not - because in Pakistan $ is not going up with this speed

Official rate is 1 USD = 12200 IRR.

However you quoted a much bigger rate of 1USD = 38000 IRR

Is it this bad? Is the rate so much lower in the streets?


peace

 

[Sugarcane]

Official rate is 1 USD = 12200 IRR.

However you quoted a much bigger rate of 1USD = 38000 IRR

Is it this bad? Is the rate so much lower in the streets?


peace

38,000 is open market rate, Official rates you quoted and there is another something like transactional rate which banks use that is almost double than official rate. But general perception is the huge difference is because of internal politics as election are coming. But surely sanctions have lot of impact.

 

[shuttler]

Yeah...Of course you have to expand the definition of 'force' to the absurdity. Am still waiting for how did US allies Japan, South Korea, and Canada entered Viet Nam during the US sanction years. I guess 'The Force' was not with US back then.

your argument stinks worse than my morning ahem ****!
And the truth is japan canada et al are not having buz in DPRK under the us-led sanctions，alzheimer old balding man!

Is that the point?

Soviet Union agrees to grant Hanoi economic aid — History.com This Day in History — 7/18/1955

That was back in 1955 when Viet Nam was divided. The highlighted completed SHATTERED any arguments you have presented and ever can bring forth on how the US sanction is to blame for North Korea's misery.

My point is us' sanction on vietnam and iran will do lesser an impact than one on dprk!

Sure. Because Marxism as an economic model failed. But if China abandoned it but North Korea retains it, then why blame outsiders for North Korea's economic misery? Your argument make no sense. As usual.

one of the main causes of failure in Marxism is due to sanctions. USA is the prime and repeated perpetrator of using sanctions to bully any country which does not follow its path or up against it. It is also asking or coercing other countries to participate in its sanction on a targeted country.

In the case of DPRK, Marxism is not the root cause of American led sanctions. It is because the ROK president Lee Myung-bak who has taken a hardlining stance towards DPRK and the tension escalate between the 2 countries and then the US-led sanctions are history

I have said this on other forum: when the ROK's administration under the late Kim Dae-jung, the relationship of N and S Korea was at their best.

You are way off-topic old man, dumping rubbish on the forum habitually while you should have ditched your talks all in the trash bins instead

 

[gambit]

your argument stinks worse than my morning ahem ****!
And the truth is japan canada et al are not having buz in DPRK under the us-led sanctions，alzheimer old balding man!

May be because they are convinced that trading with North Korea is not worth their time?

My point is us' sanction on vietnam and iran will do lesser an impact than one on dprk!

Your point is -- pointless. There are no ships around North Korea to present a naval blockade. Any ship can enter North Korean port, provided North Korea allows it, and that mean ANYONE can defy US.

one of the main causes of failure in Marxism is due to sanctions. USA is the prime and repeated perpetrator of using sanctions to bully any country which does not follow its path or up against it. It is also asking or coercing other countries to participate in its sanction on a targeted country.

Trade is a privilege. Not a right. You have the right to PROPOSE a trade relationship. But you do not have the right to IMPOSE a trade relationship. Companion to that is you also have the right to refuse any offer of trade, or refuse to bid/offer to trade.

Get it?

In the case of DPRK, Marxism is not the root cause of American led sanctions.

It can be. But Marxism as an economic model is a failure to produce, not to trade. Do you even understand the difference? If whatever you produce is junk, you cannot force me to trade my high quality goods with your junk. Nor do I want to trade my goods with your junk. Communist economic systems consistently produce junk, not high quality goods. That is why communist countries can only trade with each other. Communist countries cannot invent something like the microwave oven, so why should I trade with countries that can only produce crap and never can invent something worthwhile?

Further, if I do not like you, then I have the right to refuse to trade with you. I do not care if you produce high quality goods or not. If I do not like the fact that your President is left-handed, then I have the right to refuse trade upon that pettiness. Then when you have a right-handed President, I will trade with you upon the same pettiness. So if I do not like the fact that you have a Marxist economic model that cannot invent, innovate, and only produces junk, why should I trade with you? That is the fundamental freedom of inter-states relation. Too bad they did not teach that in China -- freedom.

It is because the ROK president Lee Myung-bak who has taken a hardlining stance towards DPRK and the tension escalate between the 2 countries and then the US-led sanctions are history

I have said this on other forum: when the ROK's administration under the late Kim Dae-jung, the relationship of N and S Korea was at their best.

Fine. But did that warm fuzzy relationship produced record crop yield in North Korea? Did North Korea invent something new that everyone can use? If not, then your argument is worthless.

You are way off-topic old man, dumping rubbish on the forum habitually while you should have ditched your talks all in the trash bins instead

Looks like I am more on topic than you are, conscript reject.