To the Indian members here-why the special treatment for Kerala fishermen ?

[Sashan]

Thats fine but caste didn't create such a big problem until the british came over,how come?



Because of LTTE and Central government genuinely has no hatred for the Sinhalese.

You did not understand what I am trying to point out right? India is playing a hawk with China by not giving away Akshai Chin and anyway that land is not with India post 1960 war. Historically Akshai Chin did not belong to India as I have pointed out numerous times in other threads. Give away this land and and I believe China will compromise with Arunachal Pradesh and usher in peace with China instead of spending multi-billion dollars every year to take on China.

But India has decided to take on China with its hawkish stance, then why the heck India want to play a dove with SL? I mean why India is worried that China will come to SL? or my question is compromising Tamil sentiments the only way to play it out strategically? I mean granting Katchatheevu and ignoring TN tamil sentiments wrt Lanka tamils? Hawkish with China and Dovish with SL? That is the contradiction I am pointing out -

So I do not give a rat's *** that Central govt or other Indians does not have hatred for the Sinhalese but Tamils and Sinhalese history go way back for centuries and not just the period about LTTE. The Tamils who were doing well during British times were discriminated against by the Sinhalese post Lankan independence due to the centuries old rivalry. And who turned the non-violent movement into a violent one? India under Indira who trained a fringe element LTTE and made them the major force they were - So India for her own convenience has time and again got involved in Lankan tamil issue and now I expect her to do the right thing - interfere for the right cause and for the sentiments of TN people.

 

[bronxbull]

No party represents Tamil sentiments today as I mentioned opportunistic politicians have been heading these parties though all dravidian parties started their roots from DK. Hindi padingadanu sonnathu thappa illayaanu sarithirathai paarthaa theriyaa villaiyaa? enn compulsory pannanum oru mozhiyai padkirathu? ippo Indiavil enthentha maanilangal is leading the growth story? BIMARU maanilangal thavira matra maanilangal - naan ketta kelvikku pathil illai - TN ippothu entha vithathil kurainthu vittadu? And especially 1960s the background behind the opposition? Isn't it more of a purely economic reason that the South Indians will lose their edge in the civil services as they will be forced to take up exams only in Hindi thereby competing with the North Indian students whose mother tongue is hindi? Hindi padikanumnaa naan padithaa maathiri - I learnt mine in Hindi prachar sabha - so what is preventing the people from learning it?

And do you know that people of TN want to learn English along with Tamil? Karuna tried to enforce tamil only till 5th grade and lost the elections. So TN people are not averse to learn a language if that benefits them economically. Oru mozhi athuvum pinthagiyaa maanilathil irundu varugira mozhiyai kattaayamaaga padikka thevai illa.

As for you pointing out tamils going to bombay all the time - that is a fact - but not to Mumbai - I mean not anymore - do you understand the changes in TN which happened post 1991 when economy opened up? I will give you an example - my brother who has his own business in that he is a major supplier of bottles to liquor industries struggles for labor and get his from Bihar as there is labor shortage in TN. He consults in erection of distilleries due to his background in distilleries and advices the people who sets up distilleries to get laborers from Odissa and Bihar. So maybe you need to see the recent changes which happened in Tamilnadu which is nothing short of spectacular.

As for Rajaji not being in the school books is ridiculous as I always felt Rajaji would have been a better PM as he along with Sardar opposed Nehru,Netaji and Azad as these were for socialism. So either Sardar or Rajaji would have been better for India. But his short coming was not understanding the pulses of the people - forcing Hindi and bringing in prohibition - not just liquor alone but also toddy which was/is the bread winner for many poor people in South Tamilnadu - Jaya briefly took that path and lost the elections as well - banning certain animal sacrificial rituals in rural TN as per the advice of Kanchi Sankaracharya - that is our cultural identity - I grew up in Chennai but these kinds of rural TN festivals is something I would look forward to every annual vacation so that I get to meet my relatives. So do not enforce something without understanding the people's pulses. That is the cultural identity I am talking about and not some personal lives of the leaders. So try to understand the difference.

As for the reservation, my iyer friend and myself were forced to go to Arts/science college together while I saw a multi-crorepathi friend go to top notch engineering college due to reservation system and I was furious but later I saw couple of poor friends of mine in college benefit through reservation system. It has helped certain genuine candidates from poor families benefit - so now I advocate reservation through reforms - economically backward should be provided reservation - that is sons of laborers, priests in temples and those kinds should be provided reservation - likewise someone uses reservation for himself/herself - his/her son/daughter can't use it anymore thereby making it a fair play for the down-trodden.

I have no problems with reservation even in the current format,

Not having reservation lets you have focus and discipline in life and it goes a long way towards a good life,not only in education/career.

So,i welcome that aspect.

I know people of TN study English,they would have studied even otherwise.

People of Kerala/Karnataka/Andhra all of them speak Hindi,

They never had any anti hindi agitation.

They are also there big time in the civil services/army/central government etc etc.

I dont support Hindi as the sole official language and English is important enough.

But this is not a matter of prosperity post 1991,you think we alone have prosperity after 1991,we alone have our engineers in IT companies after 1991? we alone have foreign companies investing here?

That's not true.

How is it that water resources are poorly maintained only in our state whereas you go to other states,they are still great?

why is it that only the cooum is filled with ***** and garbage but the Hussain Sagar lake is still clean?

Even today there are lot of people not doing so well,general administration,corruption,lack of law and order,you go see all the other southern states and Maharashtra.

Regarding Palm Toddy,Periyar has been agitating against Toddy and prohibition since a longtime.

And the Nadars have long been moving away from Palm Toddy and have been dominating business and even services if not defense forces as well.

Jaya's animal sacrifice ban is one of her random maverick moves and helped nobody,dont knw why she did that.

No need for a ban on such things.

There is a labour shortage in TN because people would rather sit on their ***** and attempt to payday big time instead of doing something useful and worthwhile.

You can see this with auto drivers lazing around and charging lot of money instead of making use of their time.

Most things are run like a syndicate and price if fixed,people colluding amongst themselves and running oligopolies with the help of political leaders.

People from Bihar & orissa are hard working and try to go out and make a living.

I know so many Tamils cursing Mu Ka for not letting them learn Hindi and most of them learn to do so by facing the music,

Affluent people dont need hindi but normal people do.

And learning a language is such a normal thing,you do it all the time when move somewhere to earn a livelihood.

Infact,TN is a state that should be ahead of all southern states with only Maharashtra to compete.

But now we are wrose than Bangalore/Hyderabad in everything from infrastructure/airports/public transportation and so on....

I dont know if you think this may not be the reality but sorry,this is indeed.

 

[Sashan]

I have no problems with reservation even in the current format,

Not having reservation lets you have focus and discipline in life and it goes a long way towards a good life,not only in education/career.

So,i welcome that aspect.

I know people of TN study English,they would have studied even otherwise.

People of Kerala/Karnataka/Andhra all of them speak Hindi,

They never had any anti hindi agitation.

They are also there big time in the civil services/army/central government etc etc.

I dont support Hindi as the sole official language and English is important enough.

But this is not a matter of prosperity post 1991,you think we alone have prosperity after 1991,we alone have our engineers in IT companies after 1991? we alone have foreign companies investing here?

That's not true.

How is it that water resources are poorly maintained only in our state whereas you go to other states,they are still great?

why is it that only the cooum is filled with ***** and garbage but the Hussain Sagar lake is still clean?

Even today there are lot of people not doing so well,general administration,corruption,lack of law and order,you go see all the other southern states and Maharashtra.

Regarding Palm Toddy,Periyar has been agitating against Toddy and prohibition since a longtime.

And the Nadars have long been moving away from Palm Toddy and have been dominating business and even services if not defense forces as well.

Jaya's animal sacrifice ban is one of her random maverick moves and helped nobody,dont knw why she did that.

No need for a ban on such things.

There is a labour shortage in TN because people would rather sit on their ***** and attempt to payday big time instead of doing something useful and worthwhile.

You can see this with auto drivers lazing around and charging lot of money instead of making use of their time.

Most things are run like a syndicate and price if fixed,people colluding amongst themselves and running oligopolies with the help of political leaders.

People from Bihar & orissa are hard working and try to go out and make a living.

I know so many Tamils cursing Mu Ka for not letting them learn Hindi and most of them learn to do so by facing the music,

Affluent people dont need hindi but normal people do.

And learning a language is such a normal thing,you do it all the time when move somewhere to earn a livelihood.

Infact,TN is a state that should be ahead of all southern states with only Maharashtra to compete.

But now we are wrose than Bangalore/Hyderabad in everything from infrastructure/airports/public transportation and so on....

I dont know if you think this may not be the reality but sorry,this is indeed.

I am not going to contradict you point by point - You think that the issues what you pointed out exists only in TN - the corruption, laziness is there in almost every state. You feel strongly about TN while I feel the opposite but strongly about TN. I feel there are opportunities up for grabs in TN. Beyond that, lets agree to disagree. But I expect a response - I am not going into the growth stories of other states - but has TN lost something in not learning hindi?

 

[bronxbull]

You did not understand what I am trying to point out right? India is playing a hawk with China by not giving away Akshai Chin and anyway that land is not with India post 1960 war. Historically Akshai Chin did not belong to India as I have pointed out numerous times in other threads. Give away this land and and I believe China will compromise with Arunachal Pradesh and usher in peace with China instead of spending multi-billion dollars every year to take on China.

But India has decided to take on China with its hawkish stance, then why the heck India want to play a dove with SL? I mean why India is worried that China will come to SL? or my question is compromising Tamil sentiments the only way to play it out strategically? I mean granting Katchatheevu and ignoring TN tamil sentiments wrt Lanka tamils? Hawkish with China and Dovish with SL? That is the contradiction I am pointing out -

So I do not give a rat's *** that Central govt or other Indians does not have hatred for the Sinhalese but Tamils and Sinhalese history go way back for centuries and not just the period about LTTE. The Tamils who were doing well during British times were discriminated against by the Sinhalese post Lankan independence due to the centuries old rivalry. And who turned the non-violent movement into a violent one? India under Indira who trained a fringe element LTTE and made them the major force they were - So India for her own convenience has time and again got involved in Lankan tamil issue and now I expect her to do the right thing - interfere for the right cause and for the sentiments of TN people.

India sees Sinhalese as brown skinned people who went there from India and hence its own brethren,

and the relationship between Tamils & Sinhalese in Srilanka is one of love-hate.

It is typical to the relationship between brahmins and the dravidian movement in TN,it doesn't matter if the minority is right,all that matters is what the majority thinks.

In TN,there was no/less direct physical violence directed against the brahmins because India was there to protect it,else the same thing would have happened in Tn as to what happened to the Tamils in Yaazhpanam.

There is again another problem with the Indian establishment,some leaders try innovative solutions and dont keep the status quo.

For example,

Indira gandhi made RAW arm the LTTE & Rajiv Gandhi tried to make peace,

lack of continuity and the diplomats are not in confidence,it is all my own maverick solutions.

But i can tell you this much MGR's death in 1987 to Rajiv death in 1991 and what happened in between,the desperation of Mu ka and DMK in making up for lost time in power and the way they tried to pull a fast one on the Indian establishment,thats the real reason India nipped the LTTE when it got a chance.

 

[bronxbull]

I am not going to contradict you point by point - You think that the issues what you pointed out exists only in TN - the corruption, laziness is there in almost every state. You feel strongly about TN while I feel the opposite but strongly about TN. I feel there are opportunities up for grabs in TN. Beyond that, lets agree to disagree. But I expect a response - I am not going into the growth stories of other states - but has TN lost something in not learning hindi?

yes it has,political isolation,developmental projects,

resource dependency on other states,

not in peace with all neighbouring states etc etc.

I was in Chennai last week and what a shame? A shadow of the city that it was,traffic bottlenecks,everything is expensive,same old ****.

Minimum 100 bucks in auto,over crowded buses.

A far cry from Hyderabad/Bangalore/even Cochin.

Worst sanitary conditions,cant describe more.

Freebie culture/Cash for votes just an extension of the quarter+chicken biryani of the 80s.

Oppurtunities are indeed up for Grabs in TN but we should be the first choice for people to invest with the advantage we always had,whatever development we see today is not because of DK/DMK but despite that.

Bangalore/Hyderabad have left us behind,

Coimbatore/Trichy are our no.2 cities and most of good things there like education/industries did not happen because of the government and the ideology.



Please stop comparing TN

 

[Sashan]

India sees Sinhalese as brown skinned people who went there from India and hence its own brethren,

and the relationship between Tamils & Sinhalese in Srilanka is one of love-hate.

It is typical to the relationship between brahmins and the dravidian movement in TN,it doesn't matter if the minority is right,all that matters is what the majority thinks.

In TN,there was no/less direct physical violence directed against the brahmins because India was there to protect it,else the same thing would have happened in Tn as to what happened to the Tamils in Yaazhpanam.

There is again another problem with the Indian establishment,some leaders try innovative solutions and dont keep the status quo.

For example,

Indira gandhi made RAW arm the LTTE & Rajiv Gandhi tried to make peace,

lack of continuity and the diplomats are not in confidence,it is all my own maverick solutions.

But i can tell you this much MGR's death in 1987 to Rajiv death in 1991 and what happened in between,the desperation of Mu ka and DMK in making up for lost time in power and the way they tried to pull a fast one on the Indian establishment,thats the real reason India nipped the LTTE when it got a chance.

I think we agree on something - Brahmins and Dravidian movement in TN and the Tamil-Sinhalese post independence are similar. But here is the difference - Brahmins were discriminated in TN alone while Tamils were discriminated all over SL and left nowhere to go but to other countries as refugees. You agree that majority is what matters but do not seem to come around with the dravidian politics where the majority dominating the minorities (read it is as Brahmins in this case).

For whatever my hate for Mu Ka, I can say that LTTE and Mu Ka did not get along as LTTE snubbed Mu Ka in 1980s and was seen as siding with MGR and refused donation from Mu Ka. Mu Ka typical of his attitude did not forget that and LTTE realising that supported Vaiko who was seen as a rising star in DMK. So Mu Ka citing threat from LTTE on his life eliminated Vaiko from the party. All these happened in 1980s and 1990s. So there is no question of Mu Ka and LTTE joining together and pulling a false one on India. So your reasoning is false.

 

[Sashan]

yes it has,political isolation,developmental projects,

resource dependency on other states,

not in peace with all neighbouring states etc etc.

I was in Chennai last week and what a shame? A shadow of the city that it was,traffic bottlenecks,everything is expensive,same old ****.

Minimum 100 bucks in auto,over crowded buses.

A far cry from Hyderabad/Bangalore/even Cochin.

Worst sanitary conditions,cant describe more.

Freebie culture/Cash for votes just an extension of the quarter+chicken biryani of the 80s.

Oppurtunities are indeed up for Grabs in TN but we should be the first choice for people to invest with the advantage we always had,whatever development we see today is not because of DK/DMK but despite that.

Bangalore/Hyderabad have left us behind,

Coimbatore/Trichy are our no.2 cities and most of good things there like education/industries did not happen because of the government and the ideology.



Please stop comparing TN

I think your views are more subjective - every state suffers wrt infrastructure - not just TN - that has been the bane of India - you are painting a rosy picture about Hyderabad and Bangalore but the situation is similar to Chennai in these cities as well. And for thinking that Coimbatore does not have education/industries I am not sure where you got that idea - you need to talk to people like @KS who is from CBE and for sure, I am well aware of CBE and its recent trends and issues. Lets agree to disagree and beyond that I am going to stop this discussion and lets meet up in other threads.

As for fighting with other states, you need to look at the recent Cauvery Water judgement where TN is getting majority share from the Cauvery and what does that tell you? TN was deprived of its fair share of resource by a neighbouring state for few decades and was the reason for fighting with Karnataka. Shows something right?

 

[bronxbull]

I think we agree on something - Brahmins and Dravidian movement in TN and the Tamil-Sinhalese post independence are similar. But here is the difference - Brahmins were discriminated in TN alone while Tamils were discriminated all over SL and left nowhere to go but to other countries as refugees. You agree that majority is what matters but do not seem to come around with the dravidian politics where the majority dominating the minorities (read it is as Brahmins in this case).

For whatever my hate for Mu Ka, I can say that LTTE and Mu Ka did not get along as LTTE snubbed Mu Ka in 1980s and was seen as siding with MGR and refused donation from Mu Ka. Mu Ka typical of his attitude did not forget that and LTTE realising that supported Vaiko who was seen as a rising star in DMK. So Mu Ka citing threat from LTTE on his life eliminated Vaiko from the party. All these happened in 1980s and 1990s. So there is no question of Mu Ka and LTTE joining together and pulling a false one on India. So your reasoning is false.

The issue is not to simple,it gets murkier.

Mu ka is no normal guy,all that you said is true.

what you said about LTTE and Mu ka is true,Vaiko story is also true but Mu Ka needed something solid to keep himself in power,that would be the separation of TN from India and creating a Tamil Country with Northern Province and Mainland TN.

This is why he let LTTE cadres fill up TN and the cops turned away and let them do whatever they want and that's why they were able to kill Rajiv Gandhi,all congress politcos are also guilty of this,only Jaya stayed away.

This is what Mu ka did between 1987 and 1991.

He ll use anyone even his arch rival for his personal benefit and he dumped them also as he did in 2009.

regarding Srilanka,there is a long solid relationship between the ruling maravars of yaazhpanam and the elite of Colombo.The portuguese converted many of them to christianity and kept them together.

Alfred duriappah,Lakshman Kadirgamar and many such politcians are all srilankan tamil,vellalar converted to christianity.

All killed by LTTE and Alfred killed by Prabhakaran hismelf,first kill.

I am not even talking about the Plantation Tamils of Kandy and southern SL where they have a smooth relationship with the Sinhalese,even today.

They are into business and dominate the business of Kandy/Colombo along with the Tamil Muslims,who call themselves Muslims by Nationality.

Like the brahmins of TN,the Vellalars of Jaffna were/are an educated,bureaucratic class who dominated govt jobs due to their multi lingual skills and intelligence.

And like the brahmins fled to other states/cities,the vellalars came to India and other foriegn countries.


And btw,I am extremely happy that the brahmins lost the battle in TN,I am extremely happy that my grandfather lost his land to land reforms even though the singampatti zamin/local maravar lords get to keep theirs.

Because of this the community now is all over the world,doing very well for themselves and in great positions in India and Abroad as Scientists/Philosophers/Scholars/Businessmen/Professionals and what not,

I am more than happy that my family left the wasteland of TN even though we still love the water of Thamirabharani in Tirunelveli,even which has been contaminated now with sewage.

Nonetheless,it is alright man but this is how life works.

I think your views are more subjective - every state suffers wrt infrastructure - not just TN - that has been the bane of India - you are painting a rosy picture about Hyderabad and Bangalore but the situation is similar to Chennai in these cities as well. And for thinking that Coimbatore does not have education/industries I am not sure where you got that idea - you need to talk to people like @KS who is from CBE and for sure, I am well aware of CBE and its recent trends and issues. Lets agree to disagree and beyond that I am going to stop this discussion and lets meet up in other threads.

As for fighting with other states, you need to look at the recent Cauvery Water judgement where TN is getting majority share from the Cauvery and what does that tell you? TN was deprived of its fair share of resource by a neighbouring state for few decades and was the reason for fighting with Karnataka. Shows something right?

I was not saying CBE doesn't have those things,i was saying that was not because of the establishment.

Cauvery judgement has come now but we are still low lying and they are upstream.

Tomorrow,they can easily keep it to themselves and we should know that we have to be humble to get what we need.

Bang/Hyd are way ahead of Chennai,even tiny little Pune is.

Go and check them out yourself bro.

 

[Sashan]

The issue is not to simple,it gets murkier.

Mu ka is no normal guy,all that you said is true.

what you said about LTTE and Mu ka is true,Vaiko story is also true but Mu Ka needed something solid to keep himself in power,that would be the separation of TN from India and creating a Tamil Country with Northern Province and Mainland TN.

This is why he let LTTE cadres fill up TN and the cops turned away and let them do whatever they want and that's why they were able to kill Rajiv Gandhi,all congress politcos are also guilty of this,only Jaya stayed away.

This is what Mu ka did between 1987 and 1991.

He ll use anyone even his arch rival for his personal benefit and he dumped them also as he did in 2009.

regarding Srilanka,there is a long solid relationship between the ruling maravars of yaazhpanam and the elite of Colombo.The portuguese converted many of them to christianity and kept them together.

Alfred duriappah,Lakshman Kadirgamar and many such politcians are all srilankan tamil,vellalar converted to christianity.

All killed by LTTE and Alfred killed by Prabhakaran hismelf,first kill.

I am not even talking about the Plantation Tamils of Kandy and southern SL where they have a smooth relationship with the Sinhalese,even today.

They are into business and dominate the business of Kandy/Colombo along with the Tamil Muslims,who call themselves Muslims by Nationality.

Like the brahmins of TN,the Vellalars of Jaffna were/are an educated,bureaucratic class who dominated govt jobs due to their multi lingual skills and intelligence.

And like the brahmins fled to other states/cities,the vellalars came to India and other foriegn countries.


And btw,I am extremely happy that the brahmins lost the battle in TN,I am extremely happy that my grandfather lost his land to land reforms even though the singampatti zamin/local maravar lords get to keep theirs.

Because of this the community now is all over the world,doing very well for themselves and in great positions in India and Abroad as Scientists/Philosophers/Scholars/Businessmen/Professionals and what not,

I am more than happy that my family left the wasteland of TN even though we still love the water of Thamirabharani in Tirunelveli,even which has been contaminated now with sewage.

Nonetheless,it is alright man but this is how life works.


-

Anusha Shankarnarayanan Biswas

Not going to contradict you on other points - Just want to let you know my father-in-law's father lost his lands through reforms and whatever meagre resource he had sent my father-in-law to IIT who later held a high level position in Indian navy. So it is heart ache for many others as well.

 

[bronxbull]

Honestly,even thats not a big deal sashan the worst is your ow neighbours calling you aliens even though you know that you have been there for centuries.

Anyway.

 

[Sashan]

Honestly,even thats not a big deal sashan the worst is your ow neighbours calling you aliens even though you know that you have been there for centuries.

Anyway.

Not sure I got you on this point - honestly if you mean about the anti-brahminism I am very sympathetic to the brahmins as I have my family members who are brahmins and are from Mumbai and Kerala and I wish there was an inclusive growth in TN which could have accommodated Brahmins as well.

P.S - if I do not have a sympathetic view, I will sound a hypocrite when it came to SL tamil issue.

 

[bronxbull]

It is not the economic thing man,we know how to live in poverty and rise out of it.

it is the social stigma and i can even understand the reaction of the SC/STs but the others close enough in hierarchial rank?

man,i ll strangle them all if i could.


To be frank,it is all gone,done and dusted.

so you married to a brahmin family,we can discuss this on PM,would be keen to get in touch with your wife.

 

[Sashan]

It is not the economic thing man,we know how to live in poverty and rise out of it.

it is the social stigma and i can even understand the reaction of the SC/STs but the others close enough in hierarchial rank?

man,i ll strangle them all if i could.


To be frank,it is all gone,done and dusted.

so you married to a brahmin family,we can discuss this on PM,would be keen to get in touch with your wife.

I hear you but understand that stigma has started to go away atleast in big cities like Chennai and CBE. In a few decades, the stigma will hopefully go away entirely in TN.

And sis - just a piece of advice - do not display your full name in these kinds of forums and is better to stay unanimous. I suggest editing your name.

 

[Kazhugu]

what you said about LTTE and Mu ka is true,Vaiko story is also true but Mu Ka needed something solid to keep himself in power,that would be the separation of TN from India and creating a Tamil Country with Northern Province and Mainland TN.

dats a simple lie......

not once has even ltte claimed any part of TN as a part of Eezham......location of eezham is specific.....north and east of lanka....and i know many people who vociferouslt support Eezham but would not a ssingle one support TN as a part of it...infact many of them would want Eezham to join TN as a part of india......

 

[Kazhugu]

yes it has,political isolation,developmental projects,

resource dependency on other states,

not in peace with all neighbouring states etc etc.

I was in Chennai last week and what a shame? A shadow of the city that it was,traffic bottlenecks,everything is expensive,same old ****.

Minimum 100 bucks in auto,over crowded buses.

A far cry from Hyderabad/Bangalore/even Cochin.

Worst sanitary conditions,cant describe more.

Freebie culture/Cash for votes just an extension of the quarter+chicken biryani of the 80s.

Oppurtunities are indeed up for Grabs in TN but we should be the first choice for people to invest with the advantage we always had,whatever development we see today is not because of DK/DMK but despite that.

Bangalore/Hyderabad have left us behind,

Coimbatore/Trichy are our no.2 cities and most of good things there like education/industries did not happen because of the government and the ideology.



Please stop comparing TN

im sorry but you are only hyping up the alleged failures of tn while completely trying to whitewash its progress...all because of your antipathy towards the dravidian parties....

i've been in all four southerns states at some point or other and also in gujarat and maharashtra.....

and your point about b'lore/hyd leaving us behind is far fetched....today many areas of b'lore are nothing but glorified garbage dumps and some parts of hyderabad havent developed....for example old city of hyderabad and surrounding areas are nothing but slums......communal slums...and also hyderabad is not entire andhra....only coastal andhra has developed....still rayalseema and telengana are far behind seemandhra...and languish with utter poverty and negligence...not to mention violence....

if we take maharashtra....then in pure infra wise, chennai is ahead of mumbai.....in sanitation then yes....it is still better than mumbai....none of the slums of chennai are as kuchra as santacruz or dharavi...have you travelled in BEST buses...or local trains there...they are no less crowded than any of the chennai buses.....the cost of living is entirely another thing....in saki naka, a two bit place, a 2 BHK costs about 18K Rs while for 18K you can stay in the poshest areas of anna nagar or KK nagar....and to think of it,this is inspite mumbai being the golden egg of maharashtra....interior of maharashtra like marathwada, vidharbha are still stuck in a situation as if its only 1960s and 1970s there..

today tamil nadu is the most urbanized state in india and it is also the second largest economy in india....in almost all social indices we are within the top five....and we contribute more than our share to indian economy......

and i ll tell why we have not achieved full potential....it is competitive politics....whatever good scheme ADMK does, DMK will withdraw and whatever DMK does ADMK will withdraw....

for example Uzhavar sandhai was such a good scheme.....i remember getting fresh vegetables and keerai daily for a fraction of the cost I used to get.....it was totally destroyed after admk came to power....why because DMK started it....same with the proposed anna centenary library which is now being made into a hospital and the redesign has cost more than 500 crores.....

regarding education....in all major engineering colleges in tamil andu i see students from kerala, andhra studying but the reverse is not common....is it because our quality of education is substandard ? your position is hardly tenable.......

and if you did not know...the policy of SEZ was actually given a fillip during the dmk regime.....which accelerated the industrial growth (even though it also had the negative consequence of electricity deficit).....

look dude...if we want to look for negatives in anything we can find....if we want to see the positives again in anything we can find.....so unlike you I'm not biased......both ADMK and DMK are necessary evil for us tamils...we are better off under them than any of the so called national parties.....both have their good points...and both have bad points.....corruption being the common evil.....so because of your hatred for a particular idealogy...dont try to run down TN or its achievements which have been nothing but spectacular.......