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TLP now to be treated as a militant organization

I have not come across any fatwas of Kuffer from Deobandi and Ahle-Hadith against Razakhani mazhab. Maybe individually by someone but not collectively

It's collective and in their books responding to hussam-ul-harmain.

So which sect do you belong to that Engineer has hit the nerve so bad?

He's exposing you lot, so bad that Ahle-Hadith molvi said 'Brelvi, Deobandi and Us are the pearls in the same chain' lol
 
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It's collective and in their books responding to hussam-ul-harmain.

So which sect do you belong to that Engineer has hit the nerve so bad?

He's exposing you lot, so bad that Ahle-Hadith molvi said 'Brelvi, Deobandi and Us are the pearls in the same chain' lol

Don’t need to follow any sect to be Muslims. Just like prayer will get accepted whether a person does Rafa-e-dain or not, as long as he is fulfilling required conditions.

IMHO, If someone present something good take it, and leave any shirk and biddat practices.

I don’t agree with Engineer Baba because he doesn’t have enough knowledge to do ijtehad.
 
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If civil war start then remember this Khadyani type minister
Better stand up to fight extremism than to simply role over in face of radicals

Rolling over didn't work in 2000s,90s it sure won't work now

If they're threatening with war (knowing these guys I don't think they'll do anything) and trying to bully the country

Country must stand up and fight it out
If this is what it takes to stop this lunacy this is the price one has to pay...
If you're right don't be afraid of extremists
They thrive on weakness of the majority
Show resolve
 
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Don’t need to follow any sect to be Muslims. Just like prayer will get accepted whether a person does Rafa-e-dain or not, as long as he is fulfilling required conditions.

IMHO, If someone present something good take it, and leave any shirk and biddat practices.

I don’t agree with Engineer Baba because he doesn’t have enough knowledge to do ijtehad.

Hanafism is a sect ... I take it you are Hanafi since you brought up Rafal-Yaden and ijtehad!

Ijtehad only comes in play if one can't find an answer in Quran and also Sunnah. Imam Hanifa's ijtehad was such that he labelled the Haqiqa a tradition of jahliya!!!! You support this kind of ijtehad?
 
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When in 2017, sane people were telling PTI & Sheikh Rashid not to politicize bill (either Mistake or Deliberate) and not support the Mullahs, they were branded as libtard/patware etc. just because at that time government was of PMLN. Guess we will never learn #HoorChoopu
 
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Alhamdulillah, I can say with 101% conformity that this system is designed to perpetuate piracy and trynnay against the massess from the get go. There's no hope in this system and you cannot never bring about change via this web of lies , deceit and delusions .


It should be challenged in its face like Abraham did without any compromises whatsoever.


We either serve the Sole Super Reality by obeying/establishing Devine order and handing him over parasites/pirates ruling us to get his grace which comes with countless socio economic blessings like sustenace ,peace of mind , security or keep indulging in superficial legalism and end up suffering by a thousand cuts . A suffering which is slow gradual and ever increasing --------.
Its the masses that form the system. Bottom to the top, the rulers, the government servants, uniformed or non-uniformed, peons or directors -all come from with in the population. You can blame the system all your life but the system is made by everyone of us.

The web of lies, the deceit and the delusions you mention are with in each and everyone of us, so why close our eyes and blame the system. Oh yes, we cannot blame ourselves, so we need to blame something, lets blame the system. If you dont want to give bribe, no one can snatch it from you. If you dont want to pay interest, no one can force the facility down your throat, if you dont want to be corrupt then no one can ensnare you to be - unless of course you want to blame somebody else but not you. Blame the Cops, blame army, blame politicians, blame Government - are these all aliens from outer space or from with in Pakistan ? They are from amongst you. Oh yes, you will blame the system again, its the system which made us Pakistanis like this, had we got a good system, we would all be angels by now. You think that system is more powerful than the people. People are just robots right, they have no brains, they are simpletons who just do what they are told to do. There is a certain simpleton out there and coz of that one simpleton there are millions of protestors destroying Pakistan and its image. The system must have made them like this right ? That simpleton is using religion to control them and causing destruction of Pakistan. But we should blame the system. Ahhh the corrupt, evil system !

Mentee, seriously, enough of your double standards. Constantly complaining, blaming and taunting at everyone, why ? Because the religious fanatics out there are serving the divine order ? Blame yourself and blame Pakistanis like yourself who will take short cuts, who will use the system for their own good when required. Act all moral and up right when chance is not there and as soon as the chance arrives, grab hold of it and use it as you like. Those who don't get the chance, they complain, and they are the first ones to utilize the facility as soon as they get it.

Bringing in God and Koran again and again. God isn't blind, he knows our hearts. How many Pakistanis show honesty when no one is watching. You talk of God as if you know God best. You can talk of his wrath. Are you that negative about God ? and when you talk of following God then you start mentioning rewards, one doesn't have to be so selfish. Who isn't following God ? You and fellow Pakistanis. Maybe you want the system to follow God ? ok Good. People shouldn't follow but the system should follow God and everything will be alright. Yeah sure Mentee. The system runs by itself. People (Pakistanis) don't run it. That seems to be your theory.

Sometimes i think why do I even bother replying all the utterance of negativity that is crying out loud in your posts. As soon as Police opened fire, all you had to say was kids being targeted, alright understood, not a pretty picture, in fact a tragedy if it happened, but the cops who died had children too Mentee. Your negativity will not let you look at both sides of the picture. You seem to damn sad that Police got into action. In case of Police also, you look at the negative side also. If we just talk about the Police, how many times have you been to the Police station or interacted with Police on the road ? Have you been disappointed always by the police ? Im sure you must have stories to tell of the atrocities that Police committed on you or close ones or incidents happened in front of your eyes. I, too, interact a lot with Police, sometimes with SHO's, other times with CSP officers, as well as wardens and motorway Police and even Dolphin force. Lodging FIRs, conducting legal notices, following up cases - yes one faces problems, all sort of problems but learn from the damn problem, find a solution and move on to be prepared next time. I am not a privileged VIP person in Pakistan, Im a bloody civilian just like you. An ordinary citizen just like you.

I sincerely hope, I get busy again so I stop reading and replying all the negativity in your posts.
 
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Its the masses that form the system. Bottom to the top, the rulers, the government servants, uniformed or non-uniformed, peons or directors -all come from with in the population. You can blame the system all your life but the system is made by everyone of us.

The web of lies, the deceit and the delusions you mention are with in each and everyone of us, so why close our eyes and blame the system. Oh yes, we cannot blame ourselves, so we need to blame something, lets blame the system. If you dont want to give bribe, no one can snatch it from you. If you dont want to pay interest, no one can force the facility down your throat, if you dont want to be corrupt then no one can ensnare you to be - unless of course you want to blame somebody else but not you. Blame the Cops, blame army, blame politicians, blame Government - are these all aliens from outer space or from with in Pakistan ? They are from amongst you. Oh yes, you will blame the system again, its the system which made us Pakistanis like this, had we got a good system, we would all be angels by now. You think that system is more powerful than the people. People are just robots right, they have no brains, they are simpletons who just do what they are told to do. There is a certain simpleton out there and coz of that one simpleton there are millions of protestors destroying Pakistan and its image. The system must have made them like this right ? That simpleton is using religion to control them and causing destruction of Pakistan. But we should blame the system. Ahhh the corrupt, evil system !

Mentee, seriously, enough of your double standards. Constantly complaining, blaming and taunting at everyone, why ? Because the religious fanatics out there are serving the divine order ? Blame yourself and blame Pakistanis like yourself who will take short cuts, who will use the system for their own good when required. Act all moral and up right when chance is not there and as soon as the chance arrives, grab hold of it and use it as you like. Those who don't get the chance, they complain, and they are the first ones to utilize the facility as soon as they get it.

Bringing in God and Koran again and again. God isn't blind, he knows our hearts. How many Pakistanis show honesty when no one is watching. You talk of God as if you know God best. You can talk of his wrath. Are you that negative about God ? and when you talk of following God then you start mentioning rewards, one doesn't have to be so selfish. Who isn't following God ? You and fellow Pakistanis. Maybe you want the system to follow God ? ok Good. People shouldn't follow but the system should follow God and everything will be alright. Yeah sure Mentee. The system runs by itself. People (Pakistanis) don't run it. That seems to be your theory.

Sometimes i think why do I even bother replying all the utterance of negativity that is crying out loud in your posts. As soon as Police opened fire, all you had to say was kids being targeted, alright understood, not a pretty picture, in fact a tragedy if it happened, but the cops who died had children too Mentee. Your negativity will not let you look at both sides of the picture. You seem to damn sad that Police got into action. In case of Police also, you look at the negative side also. If we just talk about the Police, how many times have you been to the Police station or interacted with Police on the road ? Have you been disappointed always by the police ? Im sure you must have stories to tell of the atrocities that Police committed on you or close ones or incidents happened in front of your eyes. I, too, interact a lot with Police, sometimes with SHO's, other times with CSP officers, as well as wardens and motorway Police and even Dolphin force. Lodging FIRs, conducting legal notices, following up cases - yes one faces problems, all sort of problems but learn from the damn problem, find a solution and move on to be prepared next time. I am not a privileged VIP person in Pakistan, Im a bloody civilian just like you. An ordinary citizen just like you.

I sincerely hope, I get busy again so I stop reading and replying all the negativity in your posts.


Thank you for putting that much effort besides putting me on the trail for things ive got nothing to do with !


As for the constant mentioning of Devine rewards well you've to build peoples trust in Allah Swt coz after interacting with scores of them i get the feeling that blessings are coming from imf and pirates so damn if you follow basic human decency------.
 
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Its the masses that form the system. Bottom to the top, the rulers, the government servants, uniformed or non-uniformed, peons or directors -all come from with in the population. You can blame the system all your life but the system is made by everyone of us.

The web of lies, the deceit and the delusions you mention are with in each and everyone of us, so why close our eyes and blame the system. Oh yes, we cannot blame ourselves, so we need to blame something, lets blame the system. If you dont want to give bribe, no one can snatch it from you. If you dont want to pay interest, no one can force the facility down your throat, if you dont want to be corrupt then no one can ensnare you to be - unless of course you want to blame somebody else but not you. Blame the Cops, blame army, blame politicians, blame Government - are these all aliens from outer space or from with in Pakistan ? They are from amongst you. Oh yes, you will blame the system again, its the system which made us Pakistanis like this, had we got a good system, we would all be angels by now. You think that system is more powerful than the people. People are just robots right, they have no brains, they are simpletons who just do what they are told to do. There is a certain simpleton out there and coz of that one simpleton there are millions of protestors destroying Pakistan and its image. The system must have made them like this right ? That simpleton is using religion to control them and causing destruction of Pakistan. But we should blame the system. Ahhh the corrupt, evil system !

Mentee, seriously, enough of your double standards. Constantly complaining, blaming and taunting at everyone, why ? Because the religious fanatics out there are serving the divine order ? Blame yourself and blame Pakistanis like yourself who will take short cuts, who will use the system for their own good when required. Act all moral and up right when chance is not there and as soon as the chance arrives, grab hold of it and use it as you like. Those who don't get the chance, they complain, and they are the first ones to utilize the facility as soon as they get it.

Bringing in God and Koran again and again. God isn't blind, he knows our hearts. How many Pakistanis show honesty when no one is watching. You talk of God as if you know God best. You can talk of his wrath. Are you that negative about God ? and when you talk of following God then you start mentioning rewards, one doesn't have to be so selfish. Who isn't following God ? You and fellow Pakistanis. Maybe you want the system to follow God ? ok Good. People shouldn't follow but the system should follow God and everything will be alright. Yeah sure Mentee. The system runs by itself. People (Pakistanis) don't run it. That seems to be your theory.

Sometimes i think why do I even bother replying all the utterance of negativity that is crying out loud in your posts. As soon as Police opened fire, all you had to say was kids being targeted, alright understood, not a pretty picture, in fact a tragedy if it happened, but the cops who died had children too Mentee. Your negativity will not let you look at both sides of the picture. You seem to damn sad that Police got into action. In case of Police also, you look at the negative side also. If we just talk about the Police, how many times have you been to the Police station or interacted with Police on the road ? Have you been disappointed always by the police ? Im sure you must have stories to tell of the atrocities that Police committed on you or close ones or incidents happened in front of your eyes. I, too, interact a lot with Police, sometimes with SHO's, other times with CSP officers, as well as wardens and motorway Police and even Dolphin force. Lodging FIRs, conducting legal notices, following up cases - yes one faces problems, all sort of problems but learn from the damn problem, find a solution and move on to be prepared next time. I am not a privileged VIP person in Pakistan, Im a bloody civilian just like you. An ordinary citizen just like you.

I sincerely hope, I get busy again so I stop reading and replying all the negativity in your posts.
Great post. People make a country. I have been to lands on the other side of the earth where the British settlers too root and made modern Australia and New Zealand. It was amazing to see how similiar these countries were to Britain. I guess if you get a sapling and plant it across the other side of the world it will grow up exactly like where it came from. The point being is the state of Pakistan is reflection of it's people.
 
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Im sure you must have stories to tell of the atrocities that Police committed on you or close ones


Many of my family members been part of the police and some still serving . One distant uncle got martyred in the line of duty, is that enough for serving the Stockholm syndrome ?
 
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Looks like AKD will provide envelopes filled with 1k notes.
 
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Hanafism is a sect ... I take it you are Hanafi since you brought up Rafal-Yaden and ijtehad!

Ijtehad only comes in play if one can't find an answer in Quran and also Sunnah. Imam Hanifa's ijtehad was such that he labelled the Haqiqa a tradition of jahliya!!!! You support this kind of ijtehad?

Wrong again, Hanafi is a fiqh, not sect.
RazaKhani is a cult, they believe everyone is ghustaq and only they are real Muslim, they have hijacked the term “Sunni”.
 
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Hanafi is a fiqh, not sect.

All such groups fit in Quran 6:159. Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki, Hanbali ... the lot. 4 mussalahs in Kabah for centuries, that was the result of the disobeying Allah's Command in 6:159.
 
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All such groups fit in Quran 6:159. Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki, Hanbali ... the lot. 4 mussalahs in Kabah for centuries, that was the result of the disobeying Allah's Command in 6:159.

4 fiqhs are approved, these only comprises 25% of the Deen, 75% is same. one can choose anyone of them and it will be ok.
 
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