Tipu would have enjoyed status of Shivaji if he was a Hindu: Karnad

[Baby-5]

There is only minor difference b/w ShivaJi and tyrant Pitu, unlike the great Pitu the Tyrant, Shivaji never converted forcefully any Muslim into Hindu.

Tipu Sultan in letters to Syed Abdul Dulai and his officer Budruz Zaman Khan -

"With the grace of Prophet Mohammed and Allah, almost all Hindus in Calicut are converted to Islam. Only on the borders of Cochin State a few are still not converted. I am determined to convert them also very soon. I consider this as Jehad to achieve that object."

Tipu Sultan was a false hero
Captivity of Nairs at Seringapatam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I wish Shivaji had done so, treated them the same way how Hindus were treated, like animals, brutally killed the Hindus,oppressed and converted Hindus, their wives and sisters were raped. Still karnad sir, you are correct.

 

[Maravan]

Life of many heroes weren't recorded in Indian history books and are always one sided. The first indian queen who defeated and regained her empire back from the British was velu nachiyar in the 1760s. Hyder ali supported her with troops, her suicide squadron led by kuili applied oil on their bodies, lighted themselves and walked in to the british ammunition storage houses, the british soldiers had no option other than running away. Despite being the first queen to lead an army and defeat the British, did she got her due recognition in the indian history books? Nope.

 

[Indian Patriot]

BS French were worst than british

How many Indians did the French kill?

There was no India that time, shivaji was also fighting for his empire and not India. The marathas fought most bitterly against hindu rajputs who they saw as traitors and collaborators of mughals. What do you have to say about that?

equating him to bose shows the level of your intellectual bankruptcy ,

bose tried to bring to India the japanese monsters. And if you don't know what the japanese did in WW2 you need some medical attention.

as for sanga he was no different but at least he didn't boost to be a gazi protected of Islam & destroyer of infidel

That weak coward was a good for nothing.

 

[[Bregs]]

If Girish karnad is commenting abt this issue then its got to do something with politics, Tipu was a biased king although he fought bravely against british so Hindus are not supposed to remember him fondly. Shivaji was a complete king loved by masses irrespective of castes and creed

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Times now was showing heavy deployment of Armed forces .

Are conditions very bad in Karnataka ?

 

[Baby-5]

There was no India that time

Yes, there was India, ages before you can think, but the most clear example is From the travelogues and books of Al-Beruni, CA 1001 CE, who is also called the father of "Indology" if you heard of that is, and yes everything didn't started after 712 AD

 

[Indian Patriot]

Yes, there was India, ages before you can think, but the most clear example is From the travelogues and books of Al-Beruni, CA 1001 CE, who is also called the father of "Indology" if you heard of that is, and yes everything didn't started after 712 AD

Modern India was created by the british.

 

[Baby-5]

Modern India was created by the british.

And what do you mean by the modern India? new imported race, new kind?? no, the same people have existed in this subcontinent from 5000 years. In this very subcontinenet they were Proto-hindus (Harrapans and pre-Haraappans), Hindus, Buddhists (Even Afghanistanis were Budhhists, and now...), Jains, Muslims and Sikhs. So no modern India, The same India with the same people with the same tolerance, with different different credo. Thats it.

 

[Stag112]

And what do you mean by the modern India? new imported race, new kind?? no, the same people have existed in this subcontinent from 5000 years. In this very subcontinenet they were Proto-hindus (Harrapans and pre-Haraappans), Hindus, Buddhists (Even Afghanistanis were Budhhists, and now...), Jains, Muslims and Sikhs. So no modern India, The same India with the same people with the same tolerance, with different different credo. Thats it.

This is a favorite theme with pakistanis such as him. They conveniently misuse the fact that the concept of a modern nation state is duh - modern.

They can only be shut up when told that if India was created in 1947 when a minority was separated, then pakistan was created in 1971, when a majority was separated

 

[Baby-5]

They can only be shut up when told that if India was created in 1947 when a minority was separated, then pakistan was created in 1971, when a majority was separated

What a point sir ji.

 

[Indian Patriot]

And what do you mean by the modern India?

Ever studied geography in your life?

no, the same people have existed in this subcontinent from 5000 years.

Wrong again.

The aryans were outsiders themselves. There has been constant influx of foreigners in India foe ages. India did not become a multi cultural multi ethnic country by accident. But then bhakts are known for their retarded views.

In this very subcontinenet they were Proto-hindus (Harrapans and pre-Haraappans), Hindus, Buddhists (Even Afghanistanis were Budhhists, and now...), Jains, Muslims and Sikhs

Nothing is known about Harappa civilisation, who they were, what they did, where they vanished into.

Buddha was a Nepali, Islam is not an Indian religion.

The same India with the same people with the same tolerance, with different different credo. Thats it.

You are uneducated. That's it.

This is a favorite theme with pakistanis such as him. They conveniently misuse the fact that the concept of a modern nation state is duh - modern.

They can only be shut up when told that if India was created in 1947 when a minority was separated, then pakistan was created in 1971, when a majority was separated

Are you a pakistani?

Historians hit out at BJP for calling Tipu anti-national

The Karnataka government's decision to observe Tipu Sultan's birthday has stirred a debate with the Right, led by the Sangh Parivar, slamming it and those on the other side of the ideological spectrum supporting it.

As reported by TOI on Saturday, BJP dismissed the legendary Mysore ruler, who has inspired generations of patriots, as an anti-national. Its Mysuru legislator, Go Madhusudan, decried the move to set up a university in Tipu's name and explained the logic behind branding him an anti-national: "Let's not forget the recorded fact that he invited Afghan king Ahmad Shah Abdali to wage a war against India. This shows he was an anti-national and doesn't deserve to be venerated."

The BJP, in its zeal to paint Tipu in anti-national colours, didn't realise the fallacy of its claim. The first time Abdali invaded India in 1748, Tipu was not even born. When Abdali defeated the Marathas at Panipat in 1761, Tipu was only a 10-year-old child and a hostage of Khande Rao, the Mysorean general who had hatched a plot with the Wodeyar queen mother to oust Hyder Ali, then the subedar of Dindigul and jagirdar of Bangalore. In fact, it was the Maratha defeat at Panipat that had helped Tipu's beleaguered father to seize power in 1761.

Tipu Sultan did, however, seek an international alliance with Abdali's grandson, Zaman Shah Durrani, Revolutionary France, Iran and the Ottoman Empire to throw out the British. Now, if he could be called anti-national for this, then we have to imagine the British as the rightful rulers of this country.

Historian Dilip Menon was aghast by this portrayal of Tipu Sultan. "Why does the BJP oppose the celebration of Tipu Sultan's birthday by the Karnataka government? Historically, Tipu is a complex figure: supporter of the French revolution; anti-colonial warrior dying in battle against the East India Company forces at Seringapatam; enlightened monarch and supporter of scholarship. In short, one of the best of the 18th-century monarchs in India. However, amidst his campaigns, there were also stories of forced conversions of Hindus and destruction of temples which to modern eyes fit too well into a Muslim monarch in a Hindu society frame. In the 18th century, the Marathas were depredators of temples from east to south India, stationing troops in the garbha-griha (sanctum sanctorum) of major temples, melting temple metal for ammunition and so on. This was a period of war and normal rules didn't apply, and marauders were no respecters of religious differences. Interestingly, the ideal monarch, Ashoka, ancient exemplar for modern India, self-confessedly killed hundreds of thousands of Hindus in war before converting to Buddhism. So will the BJP reject Ashoka? History means knowing context and not subscribing to polarising myths," Menon said.

Military historian Mandeep Singh Bajwa was plain angry at this "lack of understanding" of Tipu. "Instead of making these empty noises, they should be studying the administration and warfare of Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan. Today, you have a hostile China and Pakistan as neighbours and a new violent order in the form of Islamic State is rising. Both Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan managed to stay independent for decades fighting the alliance of the British, the Marathas and the Nizam. Ultimately, the more experienced and professional British prevailed. Yet wasn't it a great achievement to keep your head up even when facing insurmountable odds?" Bajwa said.

Tipu was both feared and hated by the British for being a strong adversary. The hatred found vent in propaganda, which, centuries later, has inspired canards about Tipu that pop-up in social media every now and then. Yet today, the British place Tipu along with Napoleon among the greatest adversaries they ever faced in history.

One of the greatest tributes to Tipu came from Sir Walter Scott, who commented on the abdication of Napoleon Bonaparte in 1814 thus: "Although I never supposed that he (Napoleon) possessed, allowing for some difference of education, the liberality of conduct and political views which were sometimes exhibited by old Haidar Ally, yet I did think he (Napoleon) might have shown the same resolved and dogged spirit of resolution which induced Tippoo Saib to die manfully upon the breach of his capital city with his sabre clenched in his hand."

Historians hit out at BJP for calling Tipu anti-national - The Times of India

 

[Baby-5]

Ever studied geography in your life?

After reading your comment I was about to ask, have you ever visited a school. But I thought it would be little rude to call
spade a spade.

Wrong again.

The aryans were outsiders themselves. There has been constant influx of foreigners in India foe ages. India did not become a multi cultural multi ethnic country by accident. But then bhakts are known for their retarded views.

Thanks to trepid people like you who accepted invaders credo to save your lives and here we are, multi-cultural.
And dont use the term Bhakt if you don't know its meaning.

Buddha was a Nepali, Islam is not an Indian religion.

There was no nepal until their first constitution. Remember the modern state and blah blah??? but he was a Hindu Prine for your info

Nothing is known about Harappa civilisation, who they were, what they did, where they vanished into.

you should start reading books then.
for starters, read this -
Indus Valley Civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are uneducated. That's it.

yes I am not educated from Madrasa.

The BJP, in its zeal to paint Tipu in anti-national colours, didn't realise the fallacy of its claim. The first time Abdali invaded India in 1748, Tipu was not even born. When Abdali defeated the Marathas at Panipat in 1761, Tipu was only a 10-year-old child and a hostage of Khande Rao, the Mysorean general who had hatched a plot with the Wodeyar queen mother to oust Hyder Ali, then the subedar of Dindigul and jagirdar of Bangalore. In fact, it was the Maratha defeat at Panipat that had helped Tipu's beleaguered father to seize power in 1761.

Tipu Sultan in letters to Syed Abdul Dulai and his officer Budruz Zaman Khan -

"With the grace of Prophet Mohammed and Allah, almost all Hindus in Calicut are converted to Islam. Only on the borders of Cochin State a few are still not converted. I am determined to convert them also very soon. I consider this as Jehad to achieve that object."

Tipu Sultan was a false hero
Captivity of Nairs at Seringapatam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Indian Patriot]

After reading your comment I was about to ask, have you ever visited a school. But I thought it would be little rude to call
spade a spade.

Clearly you have no idea about history or gegraphy but hen again hindus are not known for intelligence.

Thanks to trepid people like you who accepted invaders credo to save your lives and here we are, multi-cultural.
And dont use the term Bhakt if you don't know its meaning.

How do you know I am not an "invader"? Your ancestors were weak cowards who ran away at our sight. Don't get so mad if your forefathers wore bangles to the battlefield. bhakts like you must be fuming mad, LOL!!

There was no nepal until their first constitution. Remember the modern state and blah blah??? but he was a Hindu Prine for your info

By that argument there was no India until 1947, bhakts are so retarded!!

Buddha renounced his religion because even he knew hinduism was a bad religion.

you should start reading books then.
for starters, read this -

I think I know history better than some cow worshipping bhakt.

yes I am not educated from Madrasa.

bhakts like you get their education from gaushala. Madrasas are for the fortunate.

Tipu Sultan in letters to Syed Abdul Dulai and his officer Budruz Zaman Khan -

We all know bhakts are retarded, no need to prove it constantly.

 

[Baby-5]

I did not even reported your post, know why?? Because even in PDF there is reservation for PH and MH.

 

[Indian Patriot]

It is not fair to reduce all that the tenacious Mysore sultan did down to basic binaries, say historians

This is not the first time Tipu Sultan’s legacy has come under fire. Every time the state, an individual or a group has tried to honour the Mysorean monarch, there have been fierce protests.

In 1989, the makers of the popular TV serial The Sword of Tipu Sultan were dragged to court for celebrating a man who had killed many non-Muslims in Malabar and Coorg. Last year, there was trouble when Karnataka sent a Tipu Sultan tableau for the Republic Day parade.

Despite the BJP’s current stance, the Yeddyurappa government in 2012 had planned to procure rare documents belonging to Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan from Britain to establish Karnataka’s claim over Belgaum. The state has an on-going dispute with Maharashtra on the subject. “By focusing on just one aspect of his rule or personality, we are doing great disservice to a man who lived in a different time, a rather troubled time,” points out military historian Mandeep Singh Bajwa. “With the three dominant forces of the time – the Marathas, the Nizam, and the British – ganging up against him, he held out with steely resolve. That’s also something to be celebrated – the tenacity in the face of fire, both literally and metaphorically. You cannot apply modern standards of democracy and liberty on him and his rule,” he says.

Battle royale: The iconic pipe-organ at London’s Victoria & Albert Museum depicts Tipu’s deep hatred for the British



This debate, argue historians, is a reflection of the Sangh Parivar’s penchant for “reducing everything down to easy binaries”. They point out that Tipu was a man and a ruler way ahead of his time, not a caricature of a bigoted Muslim king.

Tipu was a remarkable man in many ways. He and his father Hyder Ali actually gave the world the war rocket. Tipu even wrote a whole manual titled Fathul Mujahideen, on the use of this formidable weapon, which had directly contributed to the British defeat at Pollilur in 1780. The British, after Tipu’s fall in 1799, took away his rockets to Britain, improvised them and developed the Congreve rocket. They used it both against the US in the War of 1812 and Napoleon at Waterloo in 1815.

Tipu’s engineers made for him some of the best muskets, pistols, cannons, sabres and other weapons of war. One of Tipu’s inscribed sabres was a spitting image of the Pattern 1796 Light Cavalry Sabre used by the British with great success in the Napoleonic Wars. The Duke of Wellington, who defeated both Tipu and Napoleon, had high praise for the former’s weapons and cavalry. Tipu’s cavalry would later become the Mysore Lancers, and heroes of the First World War.

Tipu built several roads and bridges apart from buildings, and also laid the foundation of a damming project on the Cauvery, which was finished only in the 20th century and is today known as the Krishna Raja Sagara Dam. The thriving sericulture industry in Karnataka today is also a Tipu legacy. The British, after Tipu’s death, were surprised to see the average Mysore peasant economically better off than a Madras peasant directly under Company rule. They were also surprised to find ‘Tipu’s Tiger’, an automated toy that had a tiger mauling a British soldier shrieking and writhing in pain – a fantastic piece of technology of the time and a testament to Tipu’s hostility towards the British.

Despite being an absolute monarch, he supported the French Revolution. He was made a member of the Jacobin Club. Tipu also planted a Tree of Liberty in his capital-actions for which the French called him Citizen Tippoo. Even Napoleon Bonaparte corresponded with him and had promised to liberate India from the British yoke. While that didn’t happen due to Napoleon’s defeat at the Battle of the Nile, this alliance alarmed the British so much that they decided to finish him off.

“Tipu was the most consistent in his fight against the British. Unlike the Marathas and the Nizam, he never became their ally, which should be celebrated,” says historian Tripta Wahi.

Tipu’s army did commit atrocities during his Coorg and Malabar campaigns. These were amplified by the British as they mounted a propaganda war on him, and at times by Tipu himself, through lofty claims about conversion. “Religion was and is the handmaiden of politics. Tipu used religion against those who had allied with his enemies just like Shivaji, earlier, had peeled the Kannada country bare. Even Ranjit Singh converted the majestic Badshahi Masjid in Lahore into a horse stable. Tipu was no different,” says Wahi.

The sword over Tipu’s legacy - TOI Blogs

I did not even reported your post, know why?? Because even in PDF there is reservation for PH and MH.

What is there to report in my post? Why are all bhakts so stupid and Islamophobic?