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It is indeed a poorly written article... As I said before - its posted for the novelty of it all.

On second looks - it is indeed extremely pro-Pakistan. Even if someone is faking the whole back story of being around since 1962, they should do a half believable job.

But its so ridiculous - it must be true :D

they have a article on "World has ignored Pakistan’s losses of $4 Trillion since 911".. :undecided:
 
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So what's your problem? If you got issues, then leave this forum and go some where else where stuff deemed suitable to you is posted

i know democracy is a concept you find hard to understand . but in one i am allowed my voice and opinion . :)
 
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they have a article on "World has ignored Pakistan’s losses of $4 Trillion since 911".. :undecided:

Whether the article is credible or not, Afghanistanis know they need Pakistan. Unless of course they don't want to trade through Gwadar or Karachi.

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I am posting this as a merely novelty item - You don't see Afghanis criticizing Indians at all these days. This newspaper has been around in Kabul since 1962!

Rabbani’s murder: Indian plan to divide Afghanistan | Times of Kabul

When the US swept into Kabul in 2001, Burhanuddin Rabbani was still recognised by the UN as the official president of Afghanistan. The assassination of Rabbani is the beginning of Blackwill’s (former US Ambassador to Bharat) plan to bifurcate and divide Afghanistan between the Pakhtuns and the Non-Pakhtuns. Failing to win an iota of support among the Pakhtuns, the Bharatis put all their eggs in the basket of Abdullah Abdulla, Amin Fahim, Amrullah Saleh. The Bharaty spokesman in AMerican Ambassador Blackwill is on a paid circuit selling the idea of “Pakistani Afghanistan” and a “Bharati Afghanistan”.

Rabbani was the head of the High Peace Council, set up by the Karzai government a year ago to try to open negotiations with militants of the Taliban movement.It’s surprising that the Taliban targeted Burhanuddin Rabbani. Mullah Omar’s statement in August, hinting that the Taliban were interested in talking to Rabbani seems to contradict the current assassination.

The LA Times reports “The leadership of the Taliban, which has claimed responsibility for many other political assassinations, disavowed knowledge of Rabbani’s killing, saying it was investigating. Police have not yet concluded which insurgent faction might be responsible”.

Rabbani was no angel, he made a lot of enemies in Afghanistan. He loathe the Talibsand as the head of the Afghan High Peace Council he didn’t quite make friends and influence people. He consorted with all sorts of unsavory characters. He supported the war-lords like Dostum and Ismail Khan in 1995. Recently he made efforts to wean away elements of the Taliban and had tried to divide them.

President Karzai’s statement described his frustration “The mission that he had undertaken was vital for the Afghan people and for the security of our country and for peace in our country. I don’t think that we can fill his place easily.”

Rabbani seemed to have been duped by simple assassins wearing explosives in his turban. Ahmed Shah Massoud, his fellow Tajik, had been a victim of similar duplicity. President Hamid Karzai and other Afghan officials described the murder plot as an elaborate ruse, months in the making. Some however blame Karzai who had urged Rabbani to meet his assassins for reconciliation. Predictably, some Afghans are blaming Pakistan, which is hardly surprising considering. Mourners at the Rabbani funeral were however equally critical of Mr. Karzai and of America. So slogans against the US, and Karzai were ubiquitous.

Rabbani’s murder is proof, that the efforts of the Talibs to reach out to the Tajiks have met another blow. Those who don’t want a united Afghanistan may have somethign to do with this murder. Already the Pro-Bharati Saleh, (the former intelligence chief fired at the insistence of Pakistan), issued a thinly veiled appeal for a widened campaign of anti government protests. Abdullah Abdullah ( Karzai’s onetime foreign minister and bitter rival during the last elections ) wanted to make a fiery speech to rile up the mourners. The organizers actually had to turn his microphone off, to prevent him from exploiting the funeral for his political ends.

Hence, it seems that the powers to be want to send Afghanistan into the hell-hole of civil war again. The results will probably be decided on the battlefield. The US is in a contrary mood. Speaking like a General, Ryan Crocker, the former Ambassador to Pakistan and the current Ambassador to Kabul wants the US ‘to inflict more pain on the Taliban’ to make them amenable to a settlement when talks are held. Considering that the pain threshold of the Taliban seems infinite, mere talks, what to say of peace, must be many moons away. Moreover, the recent American ultimatum to Pakistan to act against the Haqqani network or else, and Pakistan’s seeming reluctance to oblige, has the potential to transform the Afghan war into a much larger conflict far eclipsing the current Taliban-led insurrection against Kabul and making prospects of peace even more remote.

Pakistan’s policy towards the Afghan peace initiative is tailored to please both our allies and their adversaries. However the basics of the policy from Benazir, to Nawaz Shrif, to Benazir to Nawaz Sharif, to Musharraf to Zardari has been consistent–Keep Bharat out.

Pakistan had ‘no favorites’ among the different Mujahideen groups in the early 80s but then put all its support behind Hikmatyar’s to the disappointment of Ahmed Shah Massoud. Massoud was devastated and waged his own lonely war. He felt betrayed. Pakistan then supported the Taliban in 1994. The reason for supporting the Talibs was to rid Rabbani’s pro-Indian regime in Kabul.

In the beginning Pakistan was wary of Hamid Karzai ’till he changed colors after Delhi supported Abdullah Abdullah. There is no use shedding crocodile tears lamenting Rabbani’s death when actually it’s more a case of ‘good riddance to bad rubbish”. Rabbani’s death will further fuel anti-Pushtun sentiments and increase the turmoil in the cauldron of Afghan’s ethnic brew.

Rabbani, actually was an impediment to peace. He had tasted power and didn’t want to share it with the Pakhtuns. The Taliban are the flip side of the same coin, because they believe it is their God given right to rule Afghanistan.

The Afghan state was literally manufactured by the British in 1893. It was a “buffer state”. It did not exist before 1893. In more than a century no ruler has been able to cobble a country together. There is no Afghan who is loyal to the flag or the country. In fact the flag has changed multiple times, each ruler changed it to his liking. A weak Afghan entity with zero capacity to ensure ethnic harmony, religious tolerance, effective governance, political rapprochement, economic malaise and establishing rule of law will not stand the onslaught of subversion from within. All these leaders are loyal to their tribes and their ethnicity. When the Americans leave the so called “country” will fall apart, split along ethnic divisions–broken up into small emirates–which was the situation before the British and the Russian patched up a country with bits and pieces of Iran, Tajikistan, Pakistan (British Empire), and Uzbekistan.

It is in the interest of all regional powers to try to keep the emirates from waging perpetual war against each other and against the neighbors. The inevitable merger of the artificial emirates with Pakistan is inevitable. In the 60s, King Zahir Shah had actually agreed for a confederation, but LIaqat Ali Khan who had put together the proposal was assassinated–some think for brining Afghanistan and Pakistan together. This “New” Khorasan is what scares Delhi and Washington. This new confederated state linked with the the Dushambe-4 and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization will be a major power in the region–and the world. This was the real reason for Mullen’s outbursts.

LOL, Asim I think the source you cited is related to rupeenews tabloid!
 
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Interesting, but what would be the benefits/gains of a Pakistan-Afghanistan Confederation if Afghanistan is not even under the control of US and Afghan Government?

Afghans and Pakistanis dont have a thing in common to form a confederation, we rather be good neighbours than live in a confederation.
 
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Afghans and Pakistanis dont have a thing in common to form a confederation, we rather be good neighbours than live in a confederation.

Don't give me your trash can arguments. Yes there certainly is enough to form a confederation. We know your Tajik ilk hate Pakistan.
The Pathans in Afghanistan and Pakistan have a lot in similar.
 
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I think you have difficulty comprehending what he said in that quote. Here, let me break it down for your brain, what he said is that Historically Afghanistan has been divided on ethnic lines, and every regime that ruled it had a different flag. There are even petty disputes over the name of the country which i believe is very childish, and their loyalty lies to their Tribe and ethnicity more than their country. Afghanistan is a country on the map, but on the ground it is divided on ethnic and sectarian basis, Afghanistan needs help but from countries that share borders with Afghanistan because only they understand the culture and mindset of Afghans.

I think the above is true only the last 2 centuries, but before that we never had anthing like ethnic division, we never knew about it, as a matter of fact we had produced good and effective govs before that time.
 
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Don't give me your trash can arguments. Yes there certainly is enough to form a confederation. We your Tajik ilk hate Pakistan.
The Pathans in Afghanistan and Pakistan have a lot in similar.

Why are you talking non sense, we dont hate Pakistan, it was Pakistan who supported our sworn enemies againt us, otherwise we had nothing agaisnt paksitan. Secondly, apart from Pashtuns of Afghanistan who have something in common with pashtuns of Pakistan(and during the last centry or so they have now been drifted apart), tell me what else do we have in common? 55-60% of Afghanistan is non pashtun and 85% of paksitan is non pashtun, tell me what do the 55-60% and 85% have in common? language? culture?habbits? etc? why should everything be rotated around the pashtuns? are they the centre of the earth or what?
 
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Kabul Times. Looks like a subsidiary of Rupee News.

Some of the Front page topics:
Sex Antics of Mohandas Gandhi: His Failures, Pedophilia, Adultery, Incest, Sexual Perversion & Fetishes
$4 Triillion: Pakistan has suffered colossal losses since 911
What is Kashmiriat?
History’s greatest event


Isn't it obvious who is behind this website?
 
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Whether the article is credible or not, Afghanistanis know they need Pakistan. Unless of course they don't want to trade through Gwadar or Karachi.



yes they need pakistan for various reasons. friendly relations can be achieved even with having a independent foreign policy and without having any interference in their internal matters
 
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Why are you talking non sense, we dont hate Pakistan, it was Pakistan who supported our sworn enemies againt us, otherwise we had nothing agaisnt paksitan. Secondly, apart from Pashtuns of Afghanistan who have something in common with pashtuns of Pakistan(and during the last centry or so they have now been drifted apart), tell me what else do we have in common? 55-60% of Afghanistan is non pashtun and 85% of paksitan is non pashtun, tell me what do the 55-60% and 85% have in common? language? culture?habbits? etc? why should everything be rotated around the pashtuns? are they the centre of the earth or what?

Why should be rotated among Afghanistan's ethnic minorities: Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Hazaras?

There are more Pathans in Pakistan than there are in Afghanistan. in Afghanistan Pathans make 42% of the poopulation. So there is a lot similarities.

This thread was just meant to a light-hearted, but now the thread is turning into a "How much do Pakistan and Afghanistan have in common?"

Pakistan and Afghanistan have much more in common than you think.

I think a unification between Pakistan and Afghanistan is indeed inevitable.
 
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Afghans and Pakistanis dont have a thing in common to form a confederation, we rather be good neighbours than live in a confederation.

Ahmad, what do you think about the idea that only Countries that share borders with Afghanistan should be involved in the peaceful stabilization of Afghanistan?

Afghans and Pakistanis dont have a thing in common to form a confederation

I think it depends on what part of Afghanistan and Pakistan your talking about. Afghans share nothing in common with the Punjabis, Sindhis, or Urdu Speakers, but Afghan Pashtuns share a lot of similarities with Pakistanis Pashtuns to an extent that you really can't differentiate between the two except from their different dialects of Pashto. Also if i'm correct there are a small percentage of Balochis in Afghanistan's Balochistan (which itself is very small). Also there were about some million Tajik and migrants who moved in northern Pakistan , though not from Afghanistan but rather Tajikistan, however there are no more than 2 million Tajiks in Pakistan. Pakistan also has a native Hazara population, but they too number in the few millions.

I'm not advocating Afghanistan-Pakistan "confederation", and if such an idea was proposed or agreed upon it only remains to be seen but its a little to far fetched to say that Afghanistan-Pakistan share nothing in common.
 
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Why should be rotated among Afghanistan's ethnic minorities: Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Hazaras?

There are more Pathans in Pakistan than there are in Afghanistan. in Afghanistan Pathans make 42% of the poopulation. So there is a lot similarities.

This thread was just meant to a light-hearted, but now the thread is turning into a "How much do Pakistan and Afghanistan have in common?"

Pakistan and Afghanistan have much more in common than you think.

I think a unification between Pakistan and Afghanistan is indeed inevitable.

how many pashtuns in paksitan lives compare to afghanistan is irrelavant. and you sidestped the question, the majority of Afghans dont have anything in common with the absolute majority of Pakistan, what you suggest is rotating around one group needlesly. Tell me what does a pashtun from afghanistna have anything in common with sindhis and panjabis who form majority of pakistan? chill out, confederation is non starter, dont even think about it.
 
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I think it depends on what part of Afghanistan and Pakistan your talking about. Afghans share nothing in common with the Punjabis, Sindhis, or Urdu Speakers, but Afghan Pashtuns share a lot of similarities with Pakistanis Pashtuns to an extent that you really can't differentiate between the two except from their different dialects of Pashto. Also if i'm correct there are a small percentage of Balochis in Afghanistan's Balochistan (which itself is very small). Also there were about some million Tajik and migrants who moved in northern Pakistan , though not from Afghanistan but rather Tajikistan, however there are no more than 2 million Tajiks in Pakistan. Pakistan also has a native Hazara population, but they too number in the few millions.

I'm not advocating Afghanistan-Pakistan "confederation", and if such an idea was proposed or agreed upon it only remains to be seen but its a little to far fetched to say that Afghanistan-Pakistan share nothing in common.

It was a bit extreme when i said there is not anyting in common, you need to forgive me, surely our pashtuns have in common, and off course we have got Great Alama Iqbal in common who is dearly respected in both of our countries, he has more persian poets than in Urdo and he is loved by us. we are both muslims, share long border etc, but given the current climate, and considering majority of population on both side, we have to agree that we will have little or not enough in common to form this confederation, BUT, we will benefit enormousely if we are good and trusted neighours.

Ahmad, what do you think about the idea that only Countries that share borders with Afghanistan should be involved in the peaceful stabilization of Afghanistan?
I think the UN, immediate neighbours, india, the US, russia, china, and even the EU, need to take our hand and help us stand on our feet, withtout the honest cooperation of all the above mentioned, trust me we will remain as miserable as we are.
 
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Why should be rotated among Afghanistan's ethnic minorities: Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Hazaras?

There are more Pathans in Pakistan than there are in Afghanistan. in Afghanistan Pathans make 42% of the poopulation. So there is a lot similarities.

You really need to stop this nonsensical rant. Pashtuns (not "Pathans") make up 42% of Afghanistan, but what about the 58% of Afghanistan's population? Pashtuns are the largest Ethnic group in Afghanistan, but they are not the majority. We need to recognize Afghanistan's other ethnic groups as well, sidelining them will never bring unification and stability in Afghanistan.


Pakistan and Afghanistan have much more in common than you think.

I think a unification between Pakistan and Afghanistan is indeed inevitable.

Afghanistan is a sovereign independent country, the sooner your realize the better.
 
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