times change, viewpoints too (about Iran and China)

[PeaceGen]

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 00:09
Subject: times change, viewpoints too (about Iran and China)
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i've been giving my own views about Iran, Venezuela and China, considerable thought.

and i've come to the conclusion that i may have very well been misdirected by the US authorities, and thus wrong in some of the statements that i've made on this forum here until now.

i've signed a petition on Dam Square here in Amsterdam advocating against organ harvesting in chinese prisons of Falun Gong members, but the same Falun Gong that advertises itself as 'truthful, compassionate and tolerant', is actually comprised, like all groups of humans i think now, of at least two kinds of people : nice people, and not-nice people.

Falun Gong could be advertising to bring their people out of China and into the west, to get jobs here, to learn about western culture here, to fully integrate into our societies.
instead, they try to advertise their grief and their meditation techniques, while still sheltering their not-nice members as well.
in my view, this is simply not smart, not honest, and not useful.

The same goes for the Iranian opposition, that seeks to upset Iranian culture with support from western nations.

Both of these groups foster wars, not just internally in China and Iran, but also between nations, hoping for eventual regime change backed by western military and diplomatic power.

And the western politicians... well, they misdirect people like me by making casual campaign promises, and then re-emphasizing such campaign promises with cover stories.

And i'm sick and tired of it, really.
From now on, i'll be supporting governments that are founded on what the majority believes is right for the country, in China, Iran, and Venezuela. Not just here on defence.pk, but also on my facebook account, which gets read by plenty of western beautiful and thus influential women.

I can't guarantee that i'll go viral with my new viewpoints, but i'll be making an effort towards that regardless.

I'm also 43 now, and i want to get ready to resume a 9-to-5 work-life-style, as in : get a normal paid job again, working for a boss, and thus stepping back, but not completely out of, the online peace activism "business".

I apologize to all those whom i have offended in the past, or whom i will offend in the future.

But the battles between the nice and the not-nice, i can not solve on my own.
It will probably take decades or even hundreds of years more for humanity to learn how to co-exist peacefully.

That all said, my true allegiances do continue to lie with NATO, the Christian Churches, my own roots as a person.

I hope you all have a pleasant day / night.
Bye for now.

 

[Clutch]

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 00:09
Subject: times change, viewpoints too (about Iran and China)
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i've been giving my own views about Iran, Venezuela and China, considerable thought.

and i've come to the conclusion that i may have very well been misdirected by the US authorities, and thus wrong in some of the statements that i've made on this forum here until now.

i've signed a petition on Dam Square here in Amsterdam advocating against organ harvesting in chinese prisons of Falun Gong members, but the same Falun Gong that advertises itself as 'truthful, compassionate and tolerant', is actually comprised, like all groups of humans i think now, of at least two kinds of people : nice people, and not-nice people.

Falun Gong could be advertising to bring their people out of China and into the west, to get jobs here, to learn about western culture here, to fully integrate into our societies.
instead, they try to advertise their grief and their meditation techniques, while still sheltering their not-nice members as well.
in my view, this is simply not smart, not honest, and not useful.

The same goes for the Iranian opposition, that seeks to upset Iranian culture with support from western nations.

Both of these groups foster wars, not just internally in China and Iran, but also between nations, hoping for eventual regime change backed by western military and diplomatic power.

And the western politicians... well, they misdirect people like me by making casual campaign promises, and then re-emphasizing such campaign promises with cover stories.

And i'm sick and tired of it, really.
From now on, i'll be supporting governments that are founded on what the majority believes is right for the country, in China, Iran, and Venezuela. Not just here on defence.pk, but also on my facebook account, which gets read by plenty of western beautiful and thus influential women.

I can't guarantee that i'll go viral with my new viewpoints, but i'll be making an effort towards that regardless.

I'm also 43 now, and i want to get ready to resume a 9-to-5 work-life-style, as in : get a normal paid job again, working for a boss, and thus stepping back, but not completely out of, the online peace activism "business".

I apologize to all those whom i have offended in the past, or whom i will offend in the future.

But the battles between the nice and the not-nice, i can not solve on my own.
It will probably take decades or even hundreds of years more for humanity to learn how to co-exist peacefully.

That all said, my true allegiances do continue to lie with NATO, the Christian Churches, my own roots as a person.

I hope you all have a pleasant day / night.
Bye for now.

It's always nice to read a post where someone is being honest, genuine, and open minded enough to realize that reality isn't as black or white as propaganda would have us believe..

 

[PeaceGen]

It's always nice to read a post where someone is being honest, genuine, and open minded enough to realize that reality isn't as black or white as propaganda would have us believe..

yeah.. i'm still a bit shell-shocked about being deceived by my own governments and mass media outlets for so long and so intensely.. that doesn't mean however, that i can't continue to view other nations outside the NATO-western alliance groups with suspicion when that is called for.. the nice and the not-nice can be found in *all* countries, is what i'm thinking now.. and i'd best keep it at that for the next year at least.. Trump does need to get re-elected i think, i like his work with Putin and Kim Jong Un, as well as his US domestic politics work..

 

[Clutch]

yeah.. i'm still a bit shell-shocked about being deceived by my own governments and mass media outlets for so long and so intensely.. that doesn't mean however, that i can't continue to view other nations outside the NATO-western alliance groups with suspicion when that is called for.. the nice and the not-nice can be found in *all* countries, is what i'm thinking now.. and i'd best keep it at that for the next year at least.. Trump does need to get re-elected i think, i like his work with Putin and Kim Jong Un..

Trump has his positive and his negative ...

1. Positive: He isn't a globalist war monger. Not because he has genuine empathy for lives, rather because he believes America should not be wasting its resources on lost causes... Which is fine.

2. Negative: he is not good nationally as he serves to be divisive in his approach amongst the American population.

 

[PeaceGen]

Trump has his positive and his negative ...

1. Positive: He isn't a globalist war monger. Not because he has genuine empathy for lives, rather because he believes America should not be wasting its resources on lost causes... Which is fine.

2. Negative: he is not good nationally as he serves to be divisive in his approach amongst the American population.

Trump is also the kind of guy who plays his cards so close to his chest, that all you end up hearing about is his cover stories.. Which sucks.. But out of all of the US candidates, he is still the best choice (in my opinion).

Politicians, i believe, come in two flavors : those who look mostly to the short-term, and those who look to longer stretches of both history and future combined.

Nearly everything in life can be symbolized as "2 sides to a coin", with a inner wall that represents the present day and month ahead.

You look at such coins not by looking at one side, and then looking at another side, that's the way to get confused.
You'd best look at such coins by memorizing each side, and then looking at the coin as if it were standing on it's side, you'd look at the rim of the coin rather than one of the sides.

That way, you can sort out all of the coins involved in a complicated choice or transaction or conflict, much easier than if you'd let your focus get stranded on the side of just one pretty coin, which is usually the coin and the specific side of that coin that represents your desires, for which part of history that should be advertised to today's youths, or which part of the dreams for the future to strive towards as a society..

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 00:09
Subject: times change, viewpoints too (about Iran and China)
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i've been giving my own views about Iran, Venezuela and China, considerable thought.

and i've come to the conclusion that i may have very well been misdirected by the US authorities, and thus wrong in some of the statements that i've made on this forum here until now.

i've signed a petition on Dam Square here in Amsterdam advocating against organ harvesting in chinese prisons of Falun Gong members, but the same Falun Gong that advertises itself as 'truthful, compassionate and tolerant', is actually comprised, like all groups of humans i think now, of at least two kinds of people : nice people, and not-nice people.

Falun Gong could be advertising to bring their people out of China and into the west, to get jobs here, to learn about western culture here, to fully integrate into our societies.
instead, they try to advertise their grief and their meditation techniques, while still sheltering their not-nice members as well.
in my view, this is simply not smart, not honest, and not useful.

The same goes for the Iranian opposition, that seeks to upset Iranian culture with support from western nations.

Both of these groups foster wars, not just internally in China and Iran, but also between nations, hoping for eventual regime change backed by western military and diplomatic power.

And the western politicians... well, they misdirect people like me by making casual campaign promises, and then re-emphasizing such campaign promises with cover stories.

And i'm sick and tired of it, really.
From now on, i'll be supporting governments that are founded on what the majority believes is right for the country, in China, Iran, and Venezuela. Not just here on defence.pk, but also on my facebook account, which gets read by plenty of western beautiful and thus influential women.

I can't guarantee that i'll go viral with my new viewpoints, but i'll be making an effort towards that regardless.

I'm also 43 now, and i want to get ready to resume a 9-to-5 work-life-style, as in : get a normal paid job again, working for a boss, and thus stepping back, but not completely out of, the online peace activism "business".

I apologize to all those whom i have offended in the past, or whom i will offend in the future.

But the battles between the nice and the not-nice, i can not solve on my own.
It will probably take decades or even hundreds of years more for humanity to learn how to co-exist peacefully.

That all said, my true allegiances do continue to lie with NATO, the Christian Churches, my own roots as a person.

I hope you all have a pleasant day / night.
Bye for now.

A lot of what you used to post against Islam and Muslims was false and offensive. Please reach out to Muslims in your country and learn about them. Maybe visit some mosques and have friendly discussions with those around you. If you have questions about Islam, bring it to Imams.

If you are genuinely questioning your old per-conceived notions, I welcome it. You can reach out to me if you are interested in serious discussions (outside of religion which is banned on this forum.)

Olive branch is always there, our religion and culture always teaches never to burn bridges and keep giving people chances to change.

Have a good night.

 

[PeaceGen]

A lot of what you used to post against Islam and Muslims was false and offensive. Please reach out to Muslims in your country and learn about them. Maybe visit some mosques and have friendly discussions with those around you. If you have questions about Islam, bring it to Imams.

If you are genuinely questioning your old per-conceived notions, I welcome it. You can reach out to me if you are interested in serious discussions (outside of religion which is banned on this forum.)

Olive branch is always there, our religion and culture always teaches never to burn bridges and keep giving people chances to change.

Have a good night.

sorry, i can't embrace Islam as a religion of peace just yet.
i have doubts about alQuada, Iran's nuclear and space programs, and your true (hidden) attitudes towards Israel.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

sorry, i can't embrace Islam as a religion of peace just yet.
i have doubts about alQuada, Iran's nuclear and space programs, and your true (hidden) attitudes towards Israel.

There are more than 2 billion Muslims, who have no relation to the points mentioned. Maybe you need to open your mind.

Native American saying will suit you well to heed, "Hate is like taking poison and wishing your enemy will die."

Rest is up to you, for your own mindset, please don't bring anymore nonsense to this forum in the future.

 

[kankan326]

You may not believe what I said. Chinese government is 100 times honest and reliable than US government.

 

[Muhammed45]

sorry, i can't embrace Islam as a religion of peace just yet.
i have doubts about alQuada, Iran's nuclear and space programs, and your true (hidden) attitudes towards Israel.

Israel is a Cancer. The day you Come to this cinclusion, that day You'd be One of those free people living for a good reason.

ISIS and Al-Qaeda headchoppers Received treatment in Israeli field hospitals and it is no secret. ISIS was massacring Muslims not Europeans for your information. Israel in Middle East is a war Machine designed to displace inhabitants and hence grabbing the lands. They have been using Holocaust lie for decades to massacre people of Middle East. Jews were not the only ones that suffered from WW2, Europeans had millions of displaced and massacred innocents. What about them? What about slaughtered slavs? Is that an excuse to say that Slavs can have half of Palestine because of what happened to them in WW2. Let me tell you an other Truth, both WW1 and WW2 were designed to eventually lead to creation of Israel. Which means death of Europeans was a part of a major plan.

You have doubt about our nuclear program, how and why? We signed JCPOA nonsense and also the additional protocols only to prove the obvious thing. We were not the ones who left this nonsensical agreement, furthermore USA is the biggest producer and user of nuclear weapons. The only country that has effectively used nuclear weapons against civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaky. You as a dautch guy, well aged should be aware of racism against your kind in USA. Maybe not as much as blacks and Irish people but they hate you also.

Under JCPOA nonsense and INSTEX joke Germany imported ventilators from Iran which were necessary for COVID19 hit patients and i don't regret it but guess what we were not allowed to import other necessary drugs for our patients. For example our Epidermolysis bullosa hit patients failed to receive required treatment. It doesn't matter at all, we are paying the price of our independence. I felt you are looking for Truth so i gave you some food for Thought, hope it can change your mind.

 

[PeaceGen]

There are more than 2 billion Muslims, who have no relation to the points mentioned. Maybe you need to open your mind.

Native American saying will suit you well to heed, "Hate is like taking poison and wishing your enemy will die."

Rest is up to you, for your own mindset, please don't bring anymore nonsense to this forum in the future.

i'll continue to combat muslim aggression against NATO and it's allies, thank you very much.

and for the record : why don't all those peaceful muslims do something to stop their violent brothers and sisters?

Israel is a Cancer. The day you Come to this cinclusion, that day You'd be One of those free people living for a good reason.

ISIS and Al-Qaeda headchoppers Received treatment in Israeli field hospitals and it is no secret. ISIS was massacring Muslims not Europeans for your information. Israel in Middle East is a war Machine designed to displace inhabitants and hence grabbing the lands. They have been using Holocaust lie for decades to massacre people of Middle East. Jews were not the only ones that suffered from WW2, Europeans had millions of displaced and massacred innocents. What about them? What about slaughtered slavs? Is that an excuse to say that Slavs can have half of Palestine because of what happened to them in WW2. Let me tell you an other Truth, both WW1 and WW2 were designed to eventually lead to creation of Israel. Which means death of Europeans was a part of a major plan.

You have doubt about our nuclear program, how and why? We signed JCPOA nonsense and also the additional protocols only to prove the obvious thing. We were not the ones who left this nonsensical agreement, furthermore USA is the biggest producer and user of nuclear weapons. The only country that has effectively used nuclear weapons against civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaky. You as a dautch guy, well aged should be aware of racism against your kind in USA. Maybe not as much as blacks and Irish people but they hate you also.

Under JCPOA nonsense and INSTEX joke Germany imported ventilators from Iran which were necessary for COVID19 hit patients and i don't regret it but guess what we were not allowed to import other necessary drugs for our patients. For example our Epidermolysis bullosa hit patients failed to receive required treatment. It doesn't matter at all, we are paying the price of our independence. I felt you are looking for Truth so i gave you some food for Thought, hope it can change your mind.

and here we go again..

i as a Christian dare to admit there might be flaws in my thinking,
then you muslims gang up on me to beat me into verbal submission by your long standing arguments that fuel your hatred against all things western.

and secretly you party every time your violent brothers make a succesful hit against western targets.

this is not exactly the way to foster diplomacy, people.

You may not believe what I said. Chinese government is 100 times honest and reliable than US government.

nonsense, from the little i can accurately tell about the Chinese government.
it's become a very dictatorial and oppressive state.

the west of course, has it's own flaws, but at least we're allowed to criticize our own governments in public..

 

[Muhammed45]

i as a Christian dare to admit there might be flaws in my thinking,
then you muslims gang up on me to beat me into verbal submission by your long standing arguments that fuel your hatred against all things western.

and secretly you party every time your violent brothers make a succesful hit against western targets.

this is not exactly the way to foster diplomacy, people

You were and i don't know you still are or not, a Neo-Liberal Muslim hating user of this forum.

West is no angel either, their sanctions targeted 500k Iraqi infants and starved them to Death. West is known for its colonial past. If you are a part of that, then you are a Zionist guy trying to mislead people in social media. The Zion word which is mentioned in bible points to a mountain in Jerusalem not an specific religion or something. Furthermore the bible in your hand has had hundreds of editions manipulated and forged by everyone out there. Bible is not words of our God anymore but an Edited fairytale. Mostly Edited by Jewish Khakhams whose forefathers tried to kill Jesus but failed.

You siding with Zionists as a so called Christian is as rediculous as a Jew claiming love for Hitler.

Wondering which One of Christian branches you belong to, other than Orthodox Christians other branches are endorsing feminism and homosexuality. Especially the pope who is kissing feet of homosexuals and Zionists asking them for forgiveness. Take a look

The only Christians that are not completely Zionified are the Orthodox Christians.

 

[kankan326]

nonsense, from the little i can accurately tell about the Chinese government.
it's become a very dictatorial and oppressive state.

the west of course, has it's own flaws, but at least we're allowed to criticize our own governments in public..

Most Chinese are satisfied with CCP. Which means CCP cares what people think. Criticizing government is not the aim. The result is more important. You criticized government a lot. Then what？ Nothing happened. What's the meaning of all the criticisms?

 

[PeaceGen]

You were and i don't know you still are or not, a Neo-Liberal Muslim hating user of this forum.

West is no angel either, their sanctions targeted 500k Iraqi infants and starved them to Death. West is known for its colonial past. If you are a part of that, then you are a Zionist guy trying to mislead people in social media. The Zion word which is mentioned in bible points to a mountain in Jerusalem not an specific religion or something. Furthermore the bible in your hand has had hundreds of editions manipulated and forged by everyone out there. Bible is not words of our God anymore but an Edited fairytale. Mostly Edited by Jewish Khakhams whose forefathers tried to kill Jesus but failed.

You siding with Zionists as a so called Christian is as rediculous as a Jew claiming love for Hitler.

Wondering which One of Christian branches you belong to, other than Orthodox Christians other branches are endorsing feminism and homosexuality. Especially the pope who is kissing feet of homosexuals and Zionists asking them for forgiveness. Take a look

The only Christians that are not completely Zionified are the Orthodox Christians.

i'm not going to dignify this with a response at all, other than stating that there are many versions of the Quran as well.

Most Chinese are satisfied with CCP. Which means CCP cares what people think. Criticizing government is not the aim. The result is more important. You criticized government a lot. Then what？ Nothing happened. What's the meaning of all the criticisms?

that doesn't mean you should put those who disagree with the CCP into prison camps where they are tortured and get their organs harvested!

 

[kankan326]

that doesn't mean you should put those who disagree with the CCP into prison camps where they are tortured and get their organs harvested!

You are brainwashed. All you said are fake news. All the information you got about China is from your media. When I saw how western media reported China, I always felt angry about how shameless they are. China in western media is totally different from China I know.