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Those fringe right wing groups are the Indian government now.
And yet their cadre or the general public is not inclined to have an amalgamation where the Muslim population increases. Net effect is that undoing the partition is not a popular opinion to say the least.
India is irrelevant in terms of the domestic electorate.

And Indians need to make up their minds on whether the Pakistani Military resorts to jingoism and war-mongering to stoke domestic opinion over Kashmir OR if it talks about peace to, as you’re suggesting here, carry out a charade for the domestic audience.

Come back when you lot have made up your minds on which propaganda line to use.
What makes you think that both cannot be run together? Pakistan military wants its public to believe that it wants peace but will be victorious when (not if) India imposes war. That it is the one and only saviour of the people. This allows it unmitigated hegemony over all aspects of Pakistan including politics.
 
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And yet their cadre or the general public is not inclined to have an amalgamation where the Muslim population increases. Net effect is that undoing the partition is not a popular opinion to say the least.
If that were the case then why is there so much opposition to a plebiscite for Kashmiris that will likely result in them leaving India?

Why not get rid of a few million pesky Muslims then?
What makes you think that both cannot be run together? Pakistan military wants its public to believe that it wants peace but will be victorious when (not if) India imposes war. That it is the one and only saviour of the people. This allows it unmitigated hegemony over all aspects of Pakistan including politics.
You’ve basically taken a nothing position, but couched it in the typical Indian paranoid conspiracy theories and anti-Pakistan hate-mongering.

Any rational State would argue that it wants peace and cooperation, but is prepared for war if imposed upon it. I mean really?
 
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If that were the case then why is there so much opposition to a plebiscite for Kashmiris that will likely result in them leaving India?

Why not get rid of a few million pesky Muslims then?
Simple really. The people of India - all people - are free to leave their country and take citizenship. What they are not allowed to do is change the status of any territory.
 
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What you attribute to ‘fringe right wing groups’, this fantasy about Akhand Bharat or a United India of lore, and the hatred, expansionism & othering that flows from it, is a mindset that is now part of the Indian government courtesy of the BJP.

You can no longer de-link fringe right wing groups from the Indian Government itself, which is why Pakistani concerns over India that you have dismissed so flippantly are completely valid.
Well, I suppose an Indian would know better. That said, a fringe right-wing group is not ruling India, a major right-wing group is ruling India their aim is certainly not to increase the Muslim population in India believe me, and it may take a long time for some Pakistanis like you to unwind from that delusion, that is India is out there to get you.

Now, there is no cure for the itch to involve in Indian politics for some, especially your current government. Why Pakistanis are thinking too much invested in who rules India? Most of all, who rules Delhi government, do you see any India cabinet minister rooting for PPP, or PMLN in Sindh, or Punjab? Such kind of buffoonery is only seen with your government. Not even gonna start with the mighty IK he is on a different level on that altogether. The disaster of a foreign policy.

Here again, why is the discussion going the way that's more discussing the Indian political party instead of foreign policy. Which may be to your surprise, is not that different from UPA.
 
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Simple really. The people of India - all people - are free to leave their country and take citizenship. What they are not allowed to do is change the status of any territory.
Which is the point - the rabid hate-mongering Indian government and its supporters in the electorate don’t care about Muslims, they want the land that they, in their absurd fanatasies, believe is part of Akhand Bharat.

It’s never been about the people of Pakistan - it’s always been about the land, much like the Nazis and the Israeli settlers.
Well, I suppose an Indian would know better. That said, a fringe right-wing group is not ruling India, a major right-wing group is ruling India their aim is certainly not to increase the Muslim population in India believe me, and it may take a long time for some Pakistanis like you to unwind from that delusion, that is India is out there to get you.

Now, there is no cure for the itch to involve in Indian politics for some, especially your current government. Why Pakistanis are thinking too much invested in who rules India? Most of all, who rules Delhi government, do you see any India cabinet minister rooting for PPP, or PMLN in Sindh, or Punjab? Such kind of buffoonery is only seen with your government. Not even gonna start with the mighty IK he is on a different level on that altogether. The disaster of a foreign policy.

Here again, why is the discussion going the way that's more discussing the Indian political party instead of foreign policy. Which may be to your surprise, is not that different from UPA.
The Indian government adheres to the ideology of those fringe right wing groups- whether it’s the KKK or Neo-Nazis or the Far Right - the basic ideology underpinning these groups in the West is the same, much as the basic ideology underpinning the BJP government & fringe right wing groups in India is the same.
 
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Which is the point - the rabid hate-mongering Indian government and its supporters in the electorate don’t care about Muslims, they want the land that they, in their absurd fanatasies, believe is part of Akhand Bharat.

It’s never been about the people of Pakistan - it’s always been about the land, much like the Nazis and the Israeli settlers.

The Indian government adheres to the ideology of those fringe right wing groups- whether it’s the KKK or Neo-Nazis or the Far Right - the basic ideology underpinning these groups in the West is the same, much as the basic ideology underpinning the BJP government & fringe right wing groups in India is the same.
Does Pakistan allow the right of secession to its territories? If the answer is no, then you are a hypocrite and why you won't make an iota of difference to either India or the world with your Nazi this, fascist that, rants.

The people are free to move and take up citizenship elsewhere but cannot declare their penny pockets independent.
 
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Neither COAS nor Prime Minister have said that.

Read the speeches properly before engaging in your Sanghi fantasies.
Tell me who will take next step???

My guess would be... Pak will invite Modi to SAARC where few agreements will be inked along with broader trade opening...
For those calling Bajwa a pacifist, do realize that he is talking from strength and not weakness - THANKS TO THE CHINESE.

Think and don’t just react.
Boss... You never had strength of your own...
We will see who has blinked first
 
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Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa said on Thursday that lasting peace in the sub-continent will remain elusive until the resolution of the Kashmir issue, stressing that it was time for India and Pakistan to "bury the past and move forward".

Addressing the audience on day two of the first-ever Islamabad Security Dialogue, Gen Bajwa noted that stable Indo-Pak relations were the key to unlocking the potential of South and Central Asia by ensuring connectivity between East and West Asia.

But this potential has always remained hostage to the disputes and issues between the two "nuclear neighbours", he said.

"The Kashmir issue is obviously at the heart of this. It is important to understand that without the resolution of Kashmir dispute through peaceful means, [the] process of sub-continental rapprochement will always remain susceptible to derailment due to politically motivated bellicosity."

See: Full text of Gen Bajwa's speech at the Islamabad Security Dialogue

"We feel it is time to bury the past and move forward," he said, adding that the onus for meaningful dialogue rested with India. "Our neighbour will have to create a conducive environment, particularly in occupied Kashmir."

Bajwa's comments come a day after Prime Minister Imran Khan said that India would have to make the first move to normalise ties with Pakistan.

“We are trying, but India would have to take the first step and unless it does that we cannot move ahead,” the prime minister had said while inaugurating the two-day dialogue.

The prime minister, however, did not elaborate what he expected India to do as the first step to resumption of ties.

'Multi-dimensional challenges'
Commenting on national security challenges, the army chief said: "The world has seen the ravages of the world wars and the Cold War, wherein polarisation and neglect of virtues blighted the future and brought catastrophic consequences for humanity.

"Today the leading drivers of change in the world are demography, economy and technology.

"However, one issue that remains central to this concept is economic security and cooperation. Frayed relations between various powers centres of the globe and boomeranging of competing alliances can bring nothing but another stint of Cold War."

History has taught us that the way ahead has always been through an inter-connected, inter-dependent and collective sense of security, he said,

The army chief added that it was naive to apply the failed solution of yesteryears to the challenges of today and tomorrow. "It is important for the world that leading global players must reach a stable equilibrium through convergence instead of divergence."

In this environment, developing countries like Pakistan face multi-dimensional challenges which cannot be be navigated single-handedly, he said, adding that a similar situation was being faced by other countries in the region.

"Therefore, we all require multi-lateral, global and regional approach and cooperation to overcome these challenges."

'Disputes dragging South Asia back into poverty'
The COAS also stated that unsettled issues in South Asia are dragging the entire region back into poverty and underdevelopment.

"It is sad to know that even today it [South Asia] is amongst the least integrated regions of the world in terms of trade, infrastructure, water and energy cooperation.

"On top of it, despite being impoverished, we end up spending a lot of our money on defence, which naturally comes at the expense of human development."

He also noted that "despite rising security challenges, Pakistan has been one of the few [countries] that has resisted the temptation of involving itself in an arms race", citing a decrease in the country's defence expenditure.

"This has not been easy, especially when you live in a hostile and unstable neighbourhood. But having said that, let me say that we are ready to improve our environment by resolving all our outstanding issues with our neighbours through dialogue in a dignified and peaceful manner," he said.

The army chief stated that this was "deliberate and based on rationality" and not as a result of any "pressure".

"We have learned from the past and are willing to move ahead towards a new future. However, this is contingent on reciprocity."

He said that Pakistan intended to leverage its geo-strategic location for its own regional and global benefit.

Afghan peace process
The army chief also praised Pakistan for its "robust role" in the current quest for peace in Afghanistan and said that it was proof of the country's "good will and understanding of global and moral obligations".

Commenting on the historic peace deal between the United States and Taliban, Bajwa attributed it to Pakistan's close collaboration and support for the peace process which paved the way for intra-Afghan dialogue.

In addition to offering support to the Afghan peace process, Pakistan also took unprecedented steps to enhance Kabul's trade and connectivity, the army chief said.

Pakistan's economic potential
The army chief also said that Pakistan was a country with "tremendous" economic potential, adding that it was important for the country to embark on a solid roadmap to carve a promising future for the people.

He maintained that the geo-economic region was centered around four main pillars: moving towards lasting and enduring peace within and outside, non-interference of any kind in the affairs of our neighbours and regional countries, boosting intra-regional trade and connectivity, bringing sustainable development and prosperity through establishment of investment and economic hubs.

Pakistan has been working towards all four aspects, he said. "We had realised that unless our own house was in order, nothing could be expected from the outside."

He said that after combatting terrorism and extremism, Pakistan had moved towards working on sustainable development and improving the economic condition of underdeveloped areas.

Gen Bajwa noted that the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) had been at the heart of Pakistan's economic transformation plan and the country had sought to make the project inclusive, transparent and attractive for all global and regional players.

But "while CPEC remains central to our vision, only seeing Pakistan through [the] CPEC prism is also misleading", the army chief stressed.

He said Pakistan's vital geostrategic location and a transformed vision made it a country of immense and diverse potential which could very positively contribute to regional development and prosperity.

"This vision, however, remains incomplete without a stable and peaceful South Asia," he said, adding that Pakistan's efforts for reviving Saarc and for peace in Afghanistan, and its "responsible and mature behaviour in crisis situation with India" manifested its desire to "change the narrative of geo-political contestation into geo-economic integration".

The COAS emphasised: "It is time that we in South Asia create synergy through connectivity, peaceful co-existence and resource sharing to fight hunger, illiteracy and disease instead of fighting each other."

National security
Congratulating the National Security Division on organising the dialogue, Bajwa stated that the contemporary concept of national security was not just about protecting countries from an external and internal threat.

It is also about providing a conducive environment for ensuring human security, national progress and development, he said.

"Surely, it is not solely the function of the armed forces anymore," he said, adding that national security in the age of globalisation, information and connectivity had become an "all encompassing notion".

"National security is thus multi-layered. The outer layer being the exogenous factors of the global and regional environment, and the internal layers being indigenous factors of internal peace, stability and developmental orientation.

"A nation at peace and a region at harmony are thus essential pre-requisites for attaining national security in the true spirit."

Whether it be extremism, human rights, environmental hazards or the pandemic, "responding in silos is no more an option", he said.
Time to bury the past and move forward: COAS Bajwa on Indo-Pak ties

Read More at: https://www.dawn.com/news/1613200/time-to-bury-the-past-and-move-forward-coas-bajwa-on-indo-pak-ties
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While Pak Civil-military have extended a hand towards India to resolve the issue, there remain certain questions which should be answered,
1 - Is India interested in dialogue with Pakistan, keeping in view that Pakistan has been unable to change the status quo after 1948.
2 - Indian current stance is that there shouldn't be any dialogue on Indian held Kashmir, how would Pakistan expect to start dialogue when there is no discussion on Indian held Kashmir?
3 - What if India proposes to convert LOC into a permanent border and terms it the only condition of peace with Pakistan. What would be Pakistan's stance on that?

very good move in direction of peace ,
we will start supplying covid vaxine by march end .
How can we forgot all our Kashmiris sisters and brothers ?

a general telling he wants peace.... is simply afraid of war !

he is too much tired with the extension he got !

Pakistan should never give extensions to generals !!!!

your sisters and brothers are in good shape and enjoying indian democracy , do something for your pakistani sisters and brothers , we are sending our covid vaxine free of cost take care it reaches to pakistani kashmiris . .
 
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For those calling Bajwa a pacifist, do realize that he is talking from strength and not weakness - THANKS TO THE CHINESE.

Think and don’t just react.

whatever ,
peace is good for both countries .
Does Pakistan allow the right of secession to its territories? If the answer is no, then you are a hypocrite and why you won't make an iota of difference to either India or the world with your Nazi this, fascist that, rants.

The people are free to move and take up citizenship elsewhere but cannot declare their penny pockets independent.

who cares when pakistanis talk about democracy,secularism, facism, freedom of speech ?
 
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What are you talking about?

yes, nuclear weapons are not mated to launchers under normal peacetime conditions.
Yes, It doesn't take long to make them operational. And don't worry we get plenty of notice when India prepares their's.
 
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Welcome step. Though it's going to be hard face for Mr. HANDSOME after he called Indian leadership in unparliamentary terms. And there will be no pre conditions for talks like Art 370.
Then we can talk. I still propose converting LoC into international boundary. It's not a new scenario when regions are divided among countries. Like Kurds or Cypriot or Tamil regions of SL. Of course no terror attacks.
 
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Shameful speech perhaps. Bury the past and move forward means forget about the UN resolutions and go on with a divided Kashmir as a permanent solution. That is really what he is saying.
 
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Bury the past means bury kashmir. It's clear to me that pakistan has accepted abrogation. So basically after indian abrogation, pakistan is willing to listen to India. Listen to what? To end imaginary terrorist camps in Pakistan or to hand over Azad Kashmir to India?

India is in the driving seat here. Let's bury this once for an all. Let's say that we used to be a powerful force but now, we are weak and let's accept it.

I urge all to stop creating drama on Kashmir day. Stop this drama now. I still remember Musharraf era and I am very sad to see us in this position now.

We should also release kulbhushan. All hangings are for ttp only. No punishment for Indian spies. See same drama of kulbhushan with so much media coverage! What is the end result? Stop this black day, Kashmir day drama and wait for another indian attack. Again drop bombs on empty places and make fun of Indian pilot and win perception war. What sad state of affairs!
 
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