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thanks bro. My blood 🩸🔥 🩸🔥 🩸 boiled when I red the title.
Please - I'm going to ask everyone to do this, Read the entire speech, understand the context. This was a very in depth, nuanced and carefully thought out speech that would have been completely at home were it delivered by a scholar like Dr. Moeed Yusuf. I believe Dr. Yusuf also spoke at the same event along the same lines and that is another speech we need to go through.

These are the kinds of speeches you hear from some US military leaders, which honestly have always impressed me in terms of how their military leadership can think beyond the domain of kinetic policies (though implementation of those non-military approaches is extremely poor).
 
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Tu phir ham Kashmir ko Azad samjhain?
Nai bhai...waha tm yaha hum....jo unka pass wo unka or ya side hamre...now let's start trade ..invite bollywood actresses for shows and have cricket series ...trade krain trade...we wasted more then 50 years for don't know what..our current security men mooed yusuf was holder of american card also and part of american think tank there before assuming this job here
 
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Please - I'm going to ask everyone to do this, Read the entire speech, understand the context. This was a very in depth, nuanced and carefully thought out speech that would have been completely at home were it delivered by a scholar like Dr. Moeed Yusuf. I believe Dr. Yusuf also spoke at the same event along the same lines and that is another speech we need to go through.

These are the kinds of speeches you hear from some US military leaders, which honestly have always impressed me in terms of how their military leadership can think beyond the domain of kinetic policies (though implementation of those non-military approaches is extremely poor).
I think my biggest concern with these kinds of speeches is that we never actually follow-up with the economic development or industrial growth. It's one thing to defer a conflict situation, but we should use that time very productively to indigenize weapons development, employ our people, etc.

In general, I'm afraid our leaders' speeches are just bluster to make themselves seem busy and important.
 
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When you read between the lines and all with the statesman like wording we can't be sold a sugar coated solution. Kashmir must be be resolved according to the UN resolution's nothing short of it will do. Establishment or no establishment our nation have to agree and decide the final outcome.
No pressures and no back door selling out Kashmiri's right and only just solution will do. We are all for the connectivity, developments and IPADS and ludo's and so forth but not at the price of our lands, people which rightfully belongs to us. These kind of statements elected PM gives to the nation not a job of the establishment.
And absolutely nothing in the speech said Kashmir would not be resolved per the wishes of the Kashmiris.

We haven't even said we would take the first step - both Imran Khan and the COAS have clearly stated now, within days of each other, that the responsibility lies with India to take the first step. The ball is therefore in the Indian court - let's see if they respond or not. Either way, Pakistan has taken the high ground and become the responsible, mature and statesman like party in the dispute.

Any time you get into an argument over the relationship between India and Pakistan with a non-Pakistani, point to this speech and ask the person you're arguing with what India has done?

Ask them what kind of statements Indian political and military leadership make about Pakistan and resolving disputes with Pakistan?

And then ask them what they want Pakistan to do, given our approach and the Indian approach?
Question is How .... ??

My dear IF they can't resolve it now as per the wishes of people of Kashmir then they should leave it as it is rather create more mess. Just don't try to get Kashmir dispute resolved from the 'Position of Weakness'
We're not doing anything on J&K - Prime Minister & COAS have basically said that Pakistan can do nothing more and take no more steps towards resolving disputes with India and bringing about peace, and that it is now India's responsibility to take the first steps.

They didn't even say 'lets both take some steps' - they placed the entire burden on India.
I think my biggest concern with these kinds of speeches is that we never actually follow-up with the economic development or industrial growth. It's one thing to defer a conflict situation, but we should use that time very productively to indigenize weapons development, employ our people, etc.

In general, I'm afraid our leaders' speeches are just bluster to make themselves seem busy and important.
I agree - outlining policies and a vision is not implementation, but you can't implement anything you haven't even outlined or have a vision for.

I believe we have a vision of where we want to go as a country and how we want to engage with the international community and especially some of our neighbors. The challenge now is for all stakeholders to work together to deliver on the domestic front (economy, education, R&D, governance, institutional reform etc) that will allow the country to become strong enough to leverage our interests internationally in pursuit of that outlined vision.
 
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Apt comments by General Bajwa, i agree with him.
 
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"The Kashmir issue is obviously at the heart of this. It is important to understand that without the resolution of Kashmir dispute through peaceful means, [the] process of sub-continental rapprochement will always remain susceptible to derailment due to politically motivated bellicosity."
I've highlighted the sections relevant to Kashmir in the OP, since a lot of readers are just going by the headline.
 
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I think my biggest concern with these kinds of speeches is that we never actually follow-up with the economic development or industrial growth. It's one thing to defer a conflict situation, but we should use that time very productively to indigenize weapons development, employ our people, etc.

In general, I'm afraid our leaders' speeches are just bluster to make themselves seem busy and important.
Off topic but sir have you served in armed forces of Pakistan?
 
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@dbc @TruthSeeker @KAL-EL

The COAS also touched upon the US approach to China.

Contrast the approach taken by the Pakistani civilian and military leadership towards India with the Indian approach towards Pakistan.
 
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At least now needs to realized that moving forward means accept the reality and also accept the LOC as permanent border by both country.
Neither COAS nor Prime Minister have said that.

Read the speeches properly before engaging in your Sanghi fantasies.
 
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Neither COAS nor Prime Minister have said that.

Read the speeches properly before engaging in your Sanghi fantasies.

Sorry, it is my personal opinion, few Indians believe that they can get the part of Pakistan's control J&K (PAK Kashmir and GB).

And the same way, most Pakistani's believe that they will get the Kashmir.

But I strongly believed that both countries are not capable to take on either side parts. To me, if anyone says, bury the past and move forward then it does mean that accept the reality.
 
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Sorry, it is my personal opinion, few Indians believe that they can get the part of Pakistan's control J&K (PAK Kashmir and GB).

And the same way, most Pakistani's believe that they will get the Kashmir.

But I strongly believed that both countries are not capable to take on either side parts. To me, if anyone says, bury the past and move forward then it does mean that accept the reality.
Burying the past also means treating the Kashmiris like human beings and implementing the commitments made to them by the UNSC, Indian & Pakistani governments, of letting them decide their future via plebiscite.
 
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I have a feeling, that pakistan has put conditions on Afghan peace efforts by keeping india out of Afghanistan and keeping Kashmir in the loop. After that giving access to india to central asia.

may be thats why LoC is quite. i hope peace prevails and the people of the region can work towards stronger economic growth.
 
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Burying the past also means treating the Kashmiris like human beings and implementing the commitments made to them by the UNSC, Indian & Pakistani governments, of letting them decide their future via plebiscite.

Again Sir, I would say that needs to learn from China. The only fact is now we are living in 21st century, it is almost impossible to attack on any other country like Pakistan & India and capture the areas.

China does not accept the disputed borders (neighbor courtiers) but at the same time, China does all kind of trade and business with them.

India will never compromised on Kashmir. That is a also fact.

So, what other options we have?

1. Follow Chinese policy
2. Stuck on the same page (from 1947 -present -future)

Sorry, this is my personal opinion and I hope that it is not against the PDF rules.
 
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Bajwa is a curse for the security of Pakistan.
I really like him after this sensible comment, finally a guy who understands the ground realties of indo-pak conflict.
Change can only happen from a position of strength, when you don’t have that, best is to sue for peace.
 
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