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Yup. I believe India will take a different approach to Pakistan BASED on the military situation in Kashmir- Pakistan cant expect to keep sending Fedayeen and JEM to Kashmir to fight INdians and expect Indians to believe them when they say they want peace with India in Kashmir.

Also, INndia's stature and strength globally is currently on the uptrend, so India is probably the least motivated to make concessions/peace with Pakistan without getting something solid in return.
Hogwash.

Musharraf stopped the spigot on material support for militants fighting Indian occupation out of Pakistan, so it's been almost two decades.

What has occurred since then, barring isolated incidents across a porous border, has been an indigenous uprising by Kashmiris against Indian occupation and atrocities.

Trying to use a tired, stale old line of 'sending Fidayeen' does not change reality. The responsibility is on India, as pointed out by the Pakistani Prime Minister and COAS, to now take the next steps to show that India is ready for peace and resolving the J&K dispute peacefully.
 
Hogwash.
Pakistan's use of terrorists in Mumbai attacks in 2008 and Pathankot show continued patronage of jehadis by the Pakistani military.
Neither were backed by the State or State institutions in Pakistan, and there remains absolutely no credible evidence supporting the allegations you made.

Indian paranoia and conspiracy theories to scapegoats Pakistan are not a substitute for actual evidence establishing Pakistani State support for those attacks.
 
Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa said on Thursday that lasting peace in the sub-continent will remain elusive until the resolution of the Kashmir issue, stressing that it was time for India and Pakistan to "bury the past and move forward".

Addressing the audience on day two of the first-ever Islamabad Security Dialogue, Gen Bajwa noted that stable Indo-Pak relations were the key to unlocking the potential of South and Central Asia by ensuring connectivity between East and West Asia.

But this potential has always remained hostage to the disputes and issues between the two "nuclear neighbours", he said.

"The Kashmir issue is obviously at the heart of this. It is important to understand that without the resolution of Kashmir dispute through peaceful means, [the] process of sub-continental rapprochement will always remain susceptible to derailment due to politically motivated bellicosity."

See: Full text of Gen Bajwa's speech at the Islamabad Security Dialogue

"We feel it is time to bury the past and move forward," he said, adding that the onus for meaningful dialogue rested with India. "Our neighbour will have to create a conducive environment, particularly in occupied Kashmir."

Bajwa's comments come a day after Prime Minister Imran Khan said that India would have to make the first move to normalise ties with Pakistan.

“We are trying, but India would have to take the first step and unless it does that we cannot move ahead,” the prime minister had said while inaugurating the two-day dialogue.

The prime minister, however, did not elaborate what he expected India to do as the first step to resumption of ties.

'Multi-dimensional challenges'
Commenting on national security challenges, the army chief said: "The world has seen the ravages of the world wars and the Cold War, wherein polarisation and neglect of virtues blighted the future and brought catastrophic consequences for humanity.

"Today the leading drivers of change in the world are demography, economy and technology.

"However, one issue that remains central to this concept is economic security and cooperation. Frayed relations between various powers centres of the globe and boomeranging of competing alliances can bring nothing but another stint of Cold War."

History has taught us that the way ahead has always been through an inter-connected, inter-dependent and collective sense of security, he said,

The army chief added that it was naive to apply the failed solution of yesteryears to the challenges of today and tomorrow. "It is important for the world that leading global players must reach a stable equilibrium through convergence instead of divergence."

In this environment, developing countries like Pakistan face multi-dimensional challenges which cannot be be navigated single-handedly, he said, adding that a similar situation was being faced by other countries in the region.

"Therefore, we all require multi-lateral, global and regional approach and cooperation to overcome these challenges."

'Disputes dragging South Asia back into poverty'
The COAS also stated that unsettled issues in South Asia are dragging the entire region back into poverty and underdevelopment.

"It is sad to know that even today it [South Asia] is amongst the least integrated regions of the world in terms of trade, infrastructure, water and energy cooperation.

"On top of it, despite being impoverished, we end up spending a lot of our money on defence, which naturally comes at the expense of human development."

He also noted that "despite rising security challenges, Pakistan has been one of the few [countries] that has resisted the temptation of involving itself in an arms race", citing a decrease in the country's defence expenditure.

"This has not been easy, especially when you live in a hostile and unstable neighbourhood. But having said that, let me say that we are ready to improve our environment by resolving all our outstanding issues with our neighbours through dialogue in a dignified and peaceful manner," he said.

The army chief stated that this was "deliberate and based on rationality" and not as a result of any "pressure".

"We have learned from the past and are willing to move ahead towards a new future. However, this is contingent on reciprocity."

He said that Pakistan intended to leverage its geo-strategic location for its own regional and global benefit.

Afghan peace process
The army chief also praised Pakistan for its "robust role" in the current quest for peace in Afghanistan and said that it was proof of the country's "good will and understanding of global and moral obligations".

Commenting on the historic peace deal between the United States and Taliban, Bajwa attributed it to Pakistan's close collaboration and support for the peace process which paved the way for intra-Afghan dialogue.

In addition to offering support to the Afghan peace process, Pakistan also took unprecedented steps to enhance Kabul's trade and connectivity, the army chief said.

Pakistan's economic potential
The army chief also said that Pakistan was a country with "tremendous" economic potential, adding that it was important for the country to embark on a solid roadmap to carve a promising future for the people.

He maintained that the geo-economic region was centered around four main pillars: moving towards lasting and enduring peace within and outside, non-interference of any kind in the affairs of our neighbours and regional countries, boosting intra-regional trade and connectivity, bringing sustainable development and prosperity through establishment of investment and economic hubs.

Pakistan has been working towards all four aspects, he said. "We had realised that unless our own house was in order, nothing could be expected from the outside."

He said that after combatting terrorism and extremism, Pakistan had moved towards working on sustainable development and improving the economic condition of underdeveloped areas.

Gen Bajwa noted that the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) had been at the heart of Pakistan's economic transformation plan and the country had sought to make the project inclusive, transparent and attractive for all global and regional players.

But "while CPEC remains central to our vision, only seeing Pakistan through [the] CPEC prism is also misleading", the army chief stressed.

He said Pakistan's vital geostrategic location and a transformed vision made it a country of immense and diverse potential which could very positively contribute to regional development and prosperity.

"This vision, however, remains incomplete without a stable and peaceful South Asia," he said, adding that Pakistan's efforts for reviving Saarc and for peace in Afghanistan, and its "responsible and mature behaviour in crisis situation with India" manifested its desire to "change the narrative of geo-political contestation into geo-economic integration".

The COAS emphasised: "It is time that we in South Asia create synergy through connectivity, peaceful co-existence and resource sharing to fight hunger, illiteracy and disease instead of fighting each other."

National security
Congratulating the National Security Division on organising the dialogue, Bajwa stated that the contemporary concept of national security was not just about protecting countries from an external and internal threat.

It is also about providing a conducive environment for ensuring human security, national progress and development, he said.

"Surely, it is not solely the function of the armed forces anymore," he said, adding that national security in the age of globalisation, information and connectivity had become an "all encompassing notion".

"National security is thus multi-layered. The outer layer being the exogenous factors of the global and regional environment, and the internal layers being indigenous factors of internal peace, stability and developmental orientation.

"A nation at peace and a region at harmony are thus essential pre-requisites for attaining national security in the true spirit."

Whether it be extremism, human rights, environmental hazards or the pandemic, "responding in silos is no more an option", he said.
Time to bury the past and move forward: COAS Bajwa on Indo-Pak ties

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While Pak Civil-military have extended a hand towards India to resolve the issue, there remain certain questions which should be answered,
1 - Is India interested in dialogue with Pakistan, keeping in view that Pakistan has been unable to change the status quo after 1948.
2 - Indian current stance is that there shouldn't be any dialogue on Indian held Kashmir, how would Pakistan expect to start dialogue when there is no discussion on Indian held Kashmir?
3 - What if India proposes to convert LOC into a permanent border and terms it the only condition of peace with Pakistan. What would be Pakistan's stance on that?

A noble thought, but who are we proposing this to? A dehati aurat that only seeks conflict. Modi has time and time again chosen war and bloodshed over peace and stability.
 
You can bet your bottom dollar that GoI reinstating the statehood to J&K will be spun in Pakistani media as the outcome of Pakistani General's outreach.

Regardless of the fact that this is already on the cards this year after the delimitation commission submits its report.

Either way, it works for India. A370 is never coming back and India has successfully changed the baseline of any conversation on Kashmir.
 
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The Indian government adheres to the ideology of those fringe right wing groups- whether it’s the KKK or Neo-Nazis or the Far Right - the basic ideology underpinning these groups in the West is the same, much as the basic ideology underpinning the BJP government & fringe right wing groups in India is the same.
You're a theocracy what does that make you?

Now the Basic ideology underpinning BJP and RSS is cultural nationalism, you don't find cultural nationalism in Europe or any western democracy.

I don't know what you're arguing about, I said, nobody wants Pakistan to be part of India ever again. You're arguing with me, no, BJP really wants Pakistan to be part of India again. LOL! Please...
 
You signed away the UN resolution when Pakistan signed the Shimla pact to get your 91k soldiers back home. Now you can't say UN resolution when it suites you. I don't have an problem with Pakistan existing. I just want terror attacks stopped.
Tbh other Indians always had a blind eye to.what was happening in Kashmir even though there will be reports of Bombs going off or shootout once in a while. Mumbai 26/11 changed all of it. I was in school when it happened and the image of your country changed forever for many many kids like me.
It's a result of your own making.
We don't want war. We are content with what we have. We will negotiate at our own points. Pakistan can negotiate at its own. That will be in. These fake tears for Kashmiris can be best saved for the next hypocrisies.
Nothing in Simla overrides the UNSC Resolutions - this is just Indian spin. The Simla Agreement in fact reiterates the commitment of both countries to abide by the UN Charter, which includes abiding by the UNSC Resolutions on the disputed territory of Jammu & Kashmir that both countries committed to.
You're a theocracy what does that make you?

Now the Basic ideology underpinning BJP and RSS is cultural nationalism, you don't find cultural nationalism in Europe or any western democracy.

I don't know what you're arguing about, I said, nobody wants Pakistan to be part of India ever again. You're arguing with me, no, BJP really wants Pakistan to be part of India again. LOL! Please...
Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, but none of the political parties that have taken power have belonged to the right-wing religious fringe, nor are they ideologically linked to the right-wing religious fringe.

Threat assessments are not going to be based on the declarations of anonymous users on an internet forum.

You can claim XYZ till the cows come home (no pun intended), but the links between the Indian government and extremist, expansionist hate-mongering right-wing fringe organizations are well known on this side, as are frequent statements by the Indian government leadership and fringe organizations that support the Pakistani contention of a lack of acceptance of the existence of the Pakistani State.
 
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Pakistani citizens were involved. For India, that alone is clear and present proof for Pakistani state collusion, notwithstanding the other evidence that emerged.
Then that reflects extremely poorly on your, the Indian government and intelligentsia's intellectual capacities.

You'll be laughed out of any (non-Indian) room if you claim that your 'evidence' of Pakistani State collusion in the Mumbai or Pathankot attacks is merely the nationality of the perpetrators.

How many of the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks in the US were Saudi? Despite the sheer magnitude of those attacks and the anger they caused, even US authorities never accused the Saudi State of perpetrating the attacks.

To paraphrase Apu from the Simpsons, "Please try again".
 
Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, but none of the political parties that have taken power have belonged to the right-wing religious fringe, nor are they ideologically linked to the right-wing religious fringe.

Threat assessments are not going to be based on the declarations of anonymous users on an internet forum.

You can claim XYZ till the cows come home (no pun intended), but the links between the Indian government and extremist, expansionist hate-mongering right-wing fringe organizations are well known on this side, as are frequent statements by the Indian government leadership and fringe organizations that support the Pakistani contention of a lack of acceptance of the existence of the Pakistani State.
For some reason, I don't get notified when you quote me. Only you, for others it works fine.

You don't need to ideologically link to right-wing, you as a nation is by definition 'right-wing'. The political parties inside Pakistan strictly adhere to it.

Your arguments actually suit you, in the past 70 odd years, how many times Pakistan attacked India? But then you think India wants to conquer Pakistan.

Now again, you're foraying into the internal politics of India, which basically comes under "none of your business" category. Hell, BJP maybe inspired from Nazis (how stupid it may sound), for the state of Pakistan, you are dealing with the state of India. Not BJP, not RSS, and definitely not Modi. That's what expected in diplomatic protocols.

When was the last time you heard Modi address Imran Khan in the vile and filthy gutter language Imran Khan used to address the Indian Head of Government and his party? Even at the height of tensions, the Pakistani head of state, maintained a decorum. Who is actually hate-mongering? How come your Cabinet Minister, actually through Twitter asked people not to vote for BJP in Delhi election? Asked Punjabis servicemen, not to travel to Kashmir?

The current Pakistani government threw diplomatic protocols out of the window and started behaving like some Indian political party opposing BJP, now I wonder, do you dream of joining India? By the looks of it, it's Pakistan that's invested more in joining India judging by the behaviour of the "Representatives of Pakistan".
 
For some reason, I don't get notified when you quote me. Only you, for others it works fine.

You don't need to ideologically link to right-wing, you as a nation is by definition 'right-wing'. The political parties inside Pakistan strictly adhere to it.

Your arguments actually suit you, in the past 70 odd years, how many times Pakistan attacked India? But then you think India wants to conquer Pakistan.

Now again, you're foraying into the internal politics of India, which basically comes under "none of your business" category. Hell, BJP maybe inspired from Nazis (how stupid it may sound), for the state of Pakistan, you are dealing with the state of India. Not BJP, not RSS, and definitely not Modi. That's what expected in diplomatic protocols.

When was the last time you heard Modi address Imran Khan in the vile and filthy gutter language Imran Khan used to address the Indian Head of Government and his party? Even at the height of tensions, the Pakistani head of state, maintained a decorum. Who is actually hate-mongering? How come your Cabinet Minister, actually through Twitter asked people not to vote for BJP in Delhi election? Asked Punjabis servicemen, not to travel to Kashmir?

The current Pakistani government threw diplomatic protocols out of the window and started behaving like some Indian political party opposing BJP, now I wonder, do you dream of joining India? By the looks of it, it's Pakistan that's invested more in joining India judging by the behaviour of the "Representatives of Pakistan".
Let me make it simple.

Pakistan is not going to stop viewing India and its government as an expansionist, fascist State that seeks Pakistan's destruction and/or absorption into India one way or another merely because you say so.

India needs to demonstrate tangibly that it wants peace, and that is what both Imran Khan and now the Pakistani COAS have stated. So lets move on from this discussion on why you think India does not pose a threat to Pakistan, and focus on the next tangible steps you think the Indian government can take to genuinely demonstrate that it wants to resolve the Jammu & Kashmir dispute and have peace and cooperation with Pakistan.
 
Let me make it simple.

Pakistan is not going to stop viewing India and its government as an expansionist, fascist State that seeks Pakistan's destruction and/or absorption into India one way or another merely because you say so.

India needs to demonstrate tangibly that it wants peace, and that is what both Imran Khan and now the Pakistani COAS have stated. So lets move on from this discussion on why you think India does not pose a threat to Pakistan, and focus on the next tangible steps you think the Indian government can take to genuinely demonstrate that it wants to resolve the Jammu & Kashmir dispute and have peace and cooperation with Pakistan.
Fine by me, we don't care what your views are with regard to India, we are at least in a position to comfortable ignore you and the snake oil of Central Asia access you're selling. Keep your nose out of our affairs or we will have a stake in yours.

India needs to simply sit back, wait till Pakistan make verifiable actions against non-state actors, then and only then you can expect the Indian political establishment to react. COAS statements, Imran Khan statements are all good to create a sense of positivity, but if you're going to be back with the old tactics, all these are worth nothing and hence the silence from top-level establishments in India.

The land dispute with Pakistan is not as important as the security threat you're causing. We have border issues with China, or even Bangladesh, they don't send gun-toting yahoos to force these areas into their countries the difference with Pakistan is well the obvious one and there is no peace when there are militants and active support. You can't hold a gun to our head and ask for peace.
 
Fine by me, we don't care what your views are with regard to India, we are at least in a position to comfortable ignore you and the snake oil of Central Asia access you're selling. Keep your nose out of our affairs or we will have a stake in yours.

India needs to simply sit back, wait till Pakistan make verifiable actions against non-state actors, then and only then you can expect the Indian political establishment to react. COAS statements, Imran Khan statements are all good to create a sense of positivity, but if you're going to be back with the old tactics, all these are worth nothing and hence the silence from top-level establishments in India.

The land dispute with Pakistan is not as important as the security threat you're causing. We have border issues with China, or even Bangladesh, they don't send gun-toting yahoos to force these areas into their countries the difference with Pakistan is well the obvious one and there is no peace when there are militants and active support. You can't hold a gun to our head and ask for peace.
And I'll repeat - the spigot of support for militants operating in Indian Occupied Kashmir was turned off by Musharraf almost two decades ago, so Pakistan cannot do anything more on this bogeyman of 'non-state actors' that India keeps dredging up to continue its hostile behavior towards Pakistan.

So basically you're saying that the Indian government is going to take ZERO tangible steps to demonstrate a commitment towards peace and resolving the dispute of Jammu & Kashmir, and therefore India will continue to act as a hostile, expansionist State, which is what almost all Pakistanis expected.

Thanks for clarifying and lets see if other Indians and the Indian government have a different position.
 
And I'll repeat - the spigot of support for militants operating in Indian Occupied Kashmir was turned off by Musharraf almost two decades ago, so Pakistan cannot do anything more on this bogeyman of 'non-state actors' that India keeps dredging up to continue its hostile behavior towards Pakistan.

So basically you're saying that the Indian government is going to take ZERO tangible steps to demonstrate a commitment towards peace and resolving the dispute of Jammu & Kashmir, and therefore India will continue to act as a hostile, expansionist State, which is what almost all Pakistanis expected.

Thanks for clarifying and lets see if other Indians and the Indian government have a different position.
Well, you must be really surprised when international watchdogs, multiple government agencies repeatedly rap up Pakistan based groups and Pakistani citizens and the state for terrorism in India. But sure, it ended two decades back when Musharraf turned off militants pipe from Pakistan. Hope you managed a straight face when writing that, 'two decades ago'.

That's your assumption based on your own idea of what's the reality, I'm sure it has no merits, India has mentioned this time and time again, when militancy in Kashmir stops we can talk peace and by the looks of it, the Pakistan government understands it. If you follow through, then we may even have a resolution.

I repeat, the Kashmir issue and Pakistan does not even make it to the top 10 issues we face in the minds of an average Indian. For most of us, it's a dispute in the North whose resolution or non-resolution has no immediate impact on our security situation or economy.
 

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