Time for peace?

[Ace of Spades]

Why are India and Pakistan not at stalemate position ?

Bigger economy of india; hence bigger western interests linked to it. India, for now, is more successful in selling her narrative. Also, India have asserted her influence on her small neighboring countries; including countries on our western border, engaging us from few extra fronts. Giving india leverage on key issues. India is on gaining position for now. Hence, she will not make diplomatic suicide to give up that position. Secondly, Pakistan have her alliances and support but indian aspirations are not parallel to Pakistan's. Likewise india, Pakistan's aspirations are in direct conflict with indian superiority in the region. Both countries will continue to gain where they can against each other.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

i care about opportunities, jobs, social mobility etc. than some make believe national pride.

Spot on. Small is better. Better to have small country. All your citizens are well fed, well housed, well educated and live full safe lives. Human life is all about right to be free and pursuit of happiness. Not freakin idealogies, big crap ideals that just give the elite right and excuse to ride the poor masses.

 

[T-123456]

Peace would be nice but how?

 

[American Pakistani]

Who doesn't want peace? But is it possible? When you have mammoth issues like Kashmir and Water pending.

 

[pothead]

this is rhein river. how many countries do you think it passes?

exception is not rule.
Search Kaveri river and it's dispute Or Indus river and it's dispute.

A country is like a family, the larger the family, the more the support structure.
Similarly when resources are limited, which is the case with most of the regions of the world, the need to share is paramount.
It's easier to share with people who you are yours than if they are not.

case in point, the recent Puerto Rico destruction by natural calamity. Having a relationship with US is proving to be a boon to it. Imagine if it was not.

Who doesn't want peace? But is it possible? When you have mammoth issues like Kashmir and Water pending.

Frankly, Water sharing is a bargaining chip from Indian POV.
I believe issues can be solved if we can agree to the starting point of making the current status quo, permanent.

 

[American Pakistani]

exception is not rule.
Search Kaveri river and it's dispute Or Indus river and it's dispute.

A country is like a family, the larger the family, the more the support structure.
Similarly when resources are limited, which is the case with most of the regions of the world, the need to share is paramount.
It's easier to share with people who you are yours than if they are not.

case in point, the recent Puerto Rico destruction by natural calamity. Having a relationship with US is proving to be a boon to it. Imagine if it was not.



Frankly, Water sharing is a bargaining chip from Indian POV.
I believe issues can be solved if we can agree to the starting point of making the current status quo, permanent.

What is fine for you doesn't means will be fine for all parties. Neither Pakistanis nor Kashmiris will accept status quo as permanent after sacrificing so many lives and generations. The best that fits all is Refrendum in the entire region. Those districts that choose Pakistan are merged with Pakistan while district opting for India goes with India, if they choose independence then both countries should accept it.

And water is very important issue for Pakistan. Reports predicts that Pakistan will be in drought by 2023. That is 5 plus years from now, very short period.

 

[Well.wisher]

Someone's zameer has come to life .. kkkhkh .. .

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan is a peaceful country. We are free People who have chosen to live separately through democratic will in the sub continent.

The two nation theory is alive and kicking.

While the status quo is breathing its last in Pakistan. India is a complete opposite of that.

To each their own and through this mutual respect and admiration can any peace be possible.

 

[YeBeWarned]

How can we have PEACE, when both Countries are busy in Doing PIECES of each other .

 

[Well.wisher]

How can we have PEACE, when both Countries are busy in Doing PIECES of each other .

.. Its time to piece eachother so we can have peace in the world ..

 

[wiseone2]

Bigger economy of india; hence bigger western interests linked to it. India, for now, is more successful in selling her narrative. Also, India have asserted her influence on her small neighboring countries; including countries on our western border, engaging us from few extra fronts. Giving india leverage on key issues. India is on gaining position for now. Hence, she will not make diplomatic suicide to give up that position. Secondly, Pakistan have her alliances and support but indian aspirations are not parallel to Pakistan's. Likewise india, Pakistan's aspirations are in direct conflict with indian superiority in the region. Both countries will continue to gain where they can against each other.

India is fine with status quo. Pakistan is the one trying to alter the status quo

this is rhein river. how many countries do you think it passes?

Isn't Budapest on the Danube ?

 

[NoOne'sBoy]

India is fine with status quo. Pakistan is the one trying to alter the status quo



Isn't Budapest on the Danube ?

part of rhine comes from there. that's why

 

[indoPunjabi]

Only If pakistan give up on Kashmir.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Its not unthinkable... but investment into this tension is much that pulling back is hard....
we are enemy in our dramas, films, literature, text books, religion, politics, etc etc..
it would be like turning away from your major life 'part'... thats one thing...
disputed areas/issue is another thing...

France and Britain used to be like that...France and Germany were also bitter enemies...these rivalries and animosities ran a much longer course than India/Pak animosity. It took them two world wars(besides other prior wars), millions dead and utter destruction to finally figure out that more can be achieved through peace...and today we have EU. Should the ppl of this subcontinent not learn from history? Do we also have to destroy each other on a massive scale at least a couple of times in order to find peace?

I don't think we have that kind of luxury...with both countries having nukes there wouldn't be anything left. The only remaining option is to learn from history and find peace without going down the path of destruction.

Only If pakistan give up on Kashmir.

And why is that? Pakistan could just as easily demand that "only if India gives up Kashmir". That's not how peace is achieved. In order to negotiate both sides should be willing to give and take...if both remain rigid in their stance then no progress can be made.

India is fine with status quo. Pakistan is the one trying to alter the status quo



Isn't Budapest on the Danube ?

India isn't fine with the status quo. U guys claim Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan as urs. Alter maps to show them as part of India and complain on every international forum about CPEC passing through there.

 

[Ace of Spades]

India is fine with status quo. Pakistan is the one trying to alter the status quo

India's majority policies are Pakistan centric, i think you do realize that (of course in return Pakistan's as well). Whenever india got a chance she have inflicted maximum damage to Pakistan and will continue to do so. So if, coming to your argument, india's policies were in-line with the status quo you wouldn't see India's aspirations for regional hegemony; which, of course, is not acceptable to Pakistan.