Tibetans shot dead for failing to observe Chinese New Year

[Deno]

LOL.... the only people who kill innocents are Turks (who kill Armenians and Kurds) and Anglos (who kill Muslims, Africans, Native Americans, hindus and Pacific Islanders).

Chinese government only kills bad people. Because we are the most enlightened and civilized nation on the planet. Always has been, always will be.


Your history with Japan is much worse than a natural disaster.

Little kid detected...

 

[amidamaru]

hina always welcome constructive criticism

has it?? constructive criticism goes far beyond accepting any critcism that china agrees with... anything china does not agree with is not seen as constructive.. hence the hypocritical call

 

[Deno]

We don't need lectures from turks who have bloody history including denying their own genocide of Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds.

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Invasion of Cyprus a turkish cyprus that no one recognizes other then Turkey, Denying the Armenian Genocide, Genocide of Greeks, Kurds, and Armenian, including nationalist turks shooting journalist we don't need lectures from someone with a bloody history on Human rights.

Do you think I am insulted by you critising Turkey or I am denying Armenian Genocide? You are laughtable and ridicully childish... You cannot even come up with a resonable argument and try to change the subject to Turkey like I am trying to make d!ck race about this subject. Laughtable at best and ridiculsly pathetich at its worst...

And Greek and Kurdish Genocide Do you seriously believe that? There was an ethnic cleansing (forced migration) of Greeks who lived in Turkey and ethnic cleansing (forced migration) of the Turkswho lived in Greece. Thats not called Geocide, thats called national. And Kurdish Genocide? There was an oppression on Kurdish population but now they are like Jewish people, they can get away with anything when they cry ethnicdiscrimination.

You are so funnyi I could listen the likes of you just make fun of you again and again...

 

[Sasquatch]

Do you think I am insulted by you critising Turkey or I am denying Armenian Genocide? You are laughtable and ridicully childish... You cannot even come up with a resonable argument and try to change the subject to Turkey like I am trying to make d!ck race about this subject. Laughtable at best and ridiculsly pathetich at its worst...

And Greek and Kurdish Genocide Do you seriously believe that? There was an ethnic cleansing (forced migration) of Greeks who lived in Turkey and ethnic cleansing (forced migration) of the Turkswho lived in Greece. Thats not called Geocide, thats called national. And Kurdish Genocide? There was an oppression on Kurdish population but now they are like Jewish people, they can get away with anything when they cry ethnicdiscrimination.

You are so funnyi I could listen the likes of you just make fun of you again and again...

Really Childish of you, China has problems yet the problems are the solution otherwise and no we don't get worked to death you only know what you have been told, ethic discrimination exists in all countries hence even turkey is worse The kurds very much come in mind yet including what the turks did to Greeks and Armenians, the difference is we might have a few riots here or therer however you have turned the kurds into armed rebellion PKK killing and abducting your soldiers and policemen however Nationalist in China aren't as crazed turk nationalist killing journalists.

The funny one is you childish really.

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Do you think I am insulted by you critising Turkey or I am denying Armenian Genocide? You are laughtable and ridicully childish... You cannot even come up with a resonable argument and try to change the subject to Turkey like I am trying to make d!ck race about this subject. Laughtable at best and ridiculsly pathetich at its worst...

And Greek and Kurdish Genocide Do you seriously believe that? There was an ethnic cleansing (forced migration) of Greeks who lived in Turkey and ethnic cleansing (forced migration) of the Turkswho lived in Greece. Thats not called Geocide, thats called national. And Kurdish Genocide? There was an oppression on Kurdish population but now they are like Jewish people, they can get away with anything when they cry ethnicdiscrimination.

You are so funnyi I could listen the likes of you just make fun of you again and again...

That also means these People in china also can cry discrimination

 

[Deno]

I'm not insulting you. I'm stating some facts. Did, or did not, Turkey take aid from the US for years? That's a yes or no question. I didn't ask about businessmen or corrupt politicians or whatever.

The people who work as the line workers in manufacturing are the ones who don't have much education. They do what they have to in order to make money, and they make up only about 100 million people out of the 800 million labor force. They can quit any time they want, except for those who are illegally enslaved.

There are more legal holidays (workers take mandated breaks, or get paid holiday pay) in China than there are in the US:

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27 days off in China vs.

2012 Federal Holidays

10 days off in the US.

Of course, that's the minimum. Christmas and Thanksgiving are all 3 days long, so we can count that as 14 days in reality. That's still barely more than half of Chinese holidays.

Turkey gets 13 days apparently.

Public holidays in Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See, what I don't understand is a guy in Turkey, telling me how I should think about my own country. It is none of your business.

Turkey did not got aid from U.S in civil areas, they got aid by arms deals and etcin military areas and I never deny that Turky got aid until 1989. You said Turkey was a poor country despite getting aid from U.S and I explain to you that Turkey was poor because of the U.S.

I am sorry but working 35 hours for strait is not even done to animals and they work for 31cent/hour. In these work sites, which I would rather call slave camps, they are discourage to make friends and even from knowing their roommates names, there are nets hanging around the bulding to catch the ''JUMPERS''.

They can't create a union to organize strikes against these camponies that sucks the life out of them. I am sure you know that punishment of creating a union is 12 years in prison. I dont you but in my book thats just one step better than slavery.

And you are trying to make this into a Turkey/China thing, while I am trying to show you the injustice thats been done by your goverment to your own citizens. If you support this policy that makes you are imperialist that lets people in power to suck the life out of his/her own fellow citizens.

BTW: that poor coutries you mentioned: Turkey and South America, their citizens nearly two times more richer than Chinese people... just to inform you...

 

[Sasquatch]

Also France is going to vote on the Armenian Genocide Europe moving closer and closer to, turkey is downgrading ties with European countries that are recognizing it left and right childish really, with the right sitution who knows even we might agree to recognize the Armenian Genocide

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Also France is going to vote on the Armenian Genocide Europe moving closer and closer to, turkey is downgrading ties with European countries that are recognizing it left and right childish really, with the right sitution who knows even we might agree to recognize the Armenian Genocide

Everyone is now supporting Armenia on the Armenian genocide.

Turkey is breaking relations with its best friends Israel/America, and the European nations don't want to let Turkey into the EU.

 

[Sasquatch]

Everyone is now supporting Armenia on the Armenian genocide.

Turkey is breaking relations with its best friends Israel/America, and the European nations don't want to let Turkey into the EU.

When the Israeli's recognize it there will be no way of stopping it.

Turkey rages against 'Satan Sarkozy' over 'racist' French bill criminalizing Armenian genocide denial | News | National Post

 

[Deno]

Really Childish of you, China has problems yet the problems are the solution otherwise and no we don't get worked to death you only know what you have been told, ethic discrimination exists in all countries hence even turkey is worse The kurds very much come in mind yet including what the turks did to Greeks and Armenians, the difference is we might have a few riots here or therer however you have turned the kurds into armed rebellion PKK killing and abducting your soldiers and policemen however Nationalist in China aren't as crazed turk nationalist killing journalists.

The funny one is you childish really.

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That also means these People in china also can cry discrimination

Killing journalist is not needed in China , They are either goverment employees or goverment supporters'. Turkey needs a lot of killing and jailing to do for droping China's level...

And about journalist jailings, they ae called ergenekon which nearly all Turks -most of the Greeks too- know and call deep state. They were behind the killing of journalist. They were praticly the Turkish arm of the CIA. Thats why Turkeys freedom of press is dropped out and even tey were statements about this subject by U.S diplomats.

I don't know why are you trying to change subject in to Turkey when waht we were discussing in this thread was fault of China's policy against her people... What you are doing shows that you have no counter argument and just trying to change the subject rather than accepting what is true which is supportedby actual facts unlike your claim of Gree/Kurdish Genocide...

 

[Edevelop]

India is going to free Tibet.

I doubt it would. Only the Indians in this forum are trying.

 

[Deno]

When the Israeli's recognize it there will be no way of stopping it.

Turkey rages against 'Satan Sarkozy' over 'racist' French bill criminalizing Armenian genocide denial | News | National Post

Again like a little kid wholost an argument you are trying to change the subject. I am waiting your counter argument for 3 post and you could't come up with anything other than attacking Turkey rather than staying on the subject and make some logical argument... This is starting to become pathetic...

 

[Sasquatch]

Killing journalist is not needed in China , They are either goverment employees or goverment supporters'. Turkey needs a lot of killing and jailing to do for droping China's level...

And about journalist jailings, they ae called ergenekon which nearly all Turks -most of the Greeks too- know and call deep state. They were behind the killing of journalist. They were praticly the Turkish arm of the CIA. Thats why Turkeys freedom of press is dropped out and even tey were statements about this subject by U.S diplomats.

I don't know why are you trying to change subject in to Turkey when waht we were discussing in this thread was fault of China's policy against her people... What you are doing shows that you have no counter argument and just trying to change the subject rather than accepting what is true which is supportedby actual facts unlike your claim of Gree/Kurdish Genocide...

Nationalist don't set out to shot journalist like Nationalist Turks do Turkey is also jailing journalist left and right you might have even gone beyond our level, yet they still post things on how the government can improve also the Chinese nationalist don't seem to kill them.

No one is trying to chance the subject we have problems however we improving them you cannot fix things in one day, Ethic discrimination exists in all countries also I'm using your logic as well People in China also cry Discrimination just like you stated the kurds do. ethnic discrimination in turkey has gone beyond anything thats why Kurds are fighting for Kurdistan what is 30,000 dead from your discrimination ? Counter argument is stated if were discussing ethic discrimination then we might as well discuss all countries.

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Again like a little kid wholost an argument you are trying to change the subject. I am waiting your counter argument for 3 post and you could't come up with anything other than attacking Turkey rather than staying on the subject and make some logical argument... This is starting to become pathetic...

The little kids seems to be you were discussing ethnic discrimination and I have stated it on my post, we should discuss all we have problems, yet were better then Turkey . The pathetic one is you

 

[fly2012]

has it?? constructive criticism goes far beyond accepting any critcism that china agrees with... anything china does not agree with is not seen as constructive.. hence the hypocritical call

You can believe whatever you want. But yes, Chinese welcome criticisms if it is from good intentions. In 80s and earlier 90s (around 1989 Tiananmen incident) , most Chinese (including leaders Premier Zhu Rongji) treated Western media and criticism like Bibles. Now so many intellectuals quickly turn nationalistic thanking to so called "free news". It is so ironic that some westerners learn things on China only from newspapers and call Chinese brainwashed. This LA Times article perfectly tells how native Tibetans thought the other side is paradise and only found grass are not that greener:

Tibetan exiles in Dharamsala, India, settle in with disillusionment

Reports like this do come up from time to time but are quickly overwhelmed by sensations like Dalai Lama's "China has massacred 2 million Tibetans since 1959". Boy, you would think Tibet is full of white bones.

On a very popular oversea Chinese web site 6park.com, there's an active Uighur member living in London constantly criticizing certain Chinese minority policy and practices and other Chinese like him very much because he is sincere on making things better and he makes sense. When a few people attacked him, they are soon overwhelmed by curses from the majorities of other Chinese.

Nowadays when something happens in China, they are always blown out of proportion. People try to find bad news out of China like bedbugs sensing blood. And even normal car accidents in China make headline news. Just two days ago we have this title posted here under "WORLD affairs". Under such international scrutiny, people still say China is under Iron curtain.

Before anyone points fingers on China, could you ask yourself a quick question and see which group you belong to?

1. I want to help China to improve and hope Chinese live better
2. I don't like China and hope it explodes
3. I don't want China to be too powerful
4. I am jealous of China and feel good when bad things happens.
5. Criticizing others makes me feel good.

And:
Do I learn China's current issues purely from media?

If you are from 2-5, sorry, we are not listening to you. And based on the reactions on today's another thread of the China made power plant in Sri Lanka, my impression is most people are belonging to 2-5.

 

[Sasquatch]

China always welcome constructive criticism, however, it is exactly what people like you that makes Chinese more nationalistic. You people never lived in China for a single day but somehow believe "What you said is true and fact" even when you said Mao killed 60 million people (now 80 million is more popular) without even thinking for a moment Chinese population at that time. Yes, China experiences the ugly phase of capitalism, but no one forced them to work in factories like Foxconn. And as I mentioned earlier, check the back of your computer/display card and if it is made in China, please shut up, otherwise it makes you a hypocrite.

You early mentioned "ethnical cleansing", where is the academic proof? For this incident at least some Chinese members gave pictures showing the attacking on police. I questioned a couple of pages earlier, is there any single picture taken on "Police's killing of PEACEFUL protesters" since almost everyone has a cellphone nowadays?

It is easy to ride the moral high horse but please do some serious research first. People who learned Tibet history only from <Seven years in Tibet> should not comment on Tibet issues. Several months ago here the moderate Radio host Dave Ross was saying China had discriminatory policies against minorities on birth control, education etc, a local ethnic Manchu student called him and said it is the opposite, one child policy only applies to Han(And Zhuang, the largest Minority group) and Minorities from Tibet and Xinjiang can enter college with much lower score, which everyone knows in China. Dave was so surprised and asked "Really??", yes, really.

A Kurd who visited Xinjiang later said: "The Uighurs are not only allowed to speak their own language, but they speak only their language! They don't need to learn Chinese in school and they have several of their own TV stations!". Considering Turkey just allow Kurdish TV station since 2009, and Kurds have to learn Turkish in school (I am not sure whether this has changed recently), I am amazed by Erdogan and some other Turkeys having guts to call China is doing ethnic and cultural cleansing.

100 % agree.

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You can believe whatever you want. But yes, Chinese welcome criticisms if it is from good intentions. In 80s and earlier 90s (around 1989 Tiananmen incident) , most Chinese (including leaders Premier Zhu Rongji) treated Western media and criticism like Bibles. Now so many intellectuals quickly turn nationalistic thanking to so called "free news". It is so ironic that some westerners learn things on China only from newspapers and call Chinese brainwashed. This LA Times article perfectly tells how native Tibetans thought the other side is paradise and only found grass are not that greener:

Tibetan exiles in Dharamsala, India, settle in with disillusionment

Reports like this do come up from time to time but are quickly overwhelmed by sensations like Dalai Lama's "China has massacred 2 million Tibetans since 1959". Boy, you would think Tibet is full of white bones.

On a very popular oversea Chinese web site 6park.com, there's an active Uighur member living in London constantly criticizing certain Chinese minority policy and practices and other Chinese like him very much because he is sincere on making things better and he makes sense. When a few people attacked him, they are soon overwhelmed by curses from the majorities of other Chinese.

Nowadays when something happens in China, they are always blown out of proportion. People try to find bad news out of China like bedbugs sensing blood. And even normal car accidents in China make headline news. Just two days ago we have this title posted here under "WORLD affairs". Under such international scrutiny, people still say China is under Iron curtain.

Before anyone points fingers on China, could you ask yourself a quick question and see which group you belong to?

1. I want to help China to improve and hope Chinese live better
2. I don't like China and hopefully it explodes
3. I don't want China to be too powerful
4. I am jealous of China and feel good when bad things happens.
5. Criticizing others make me feel good.

And:
Do I learn China's current issues purely from media?

If you are from 2-5, sorry, we are not listening to you. And based on the reactions on today's another thread of the China made power plant in Sri Lanka, my impression is most people are belonging to 2-5.

Keep them coming fly

 

[below_freezing]

Turkey did not got aid from U.S in civil areas, they got aid by arms deals and etcin military areas and I never deny that Turky got aid until 1989. You said Turkey was a poor country despite getting aid from U.S and I explain to you that Turkey was poor because of the U.S.

I am sorry but working 35 hours for strait is not even done to animals and they work for 31cent/hour. In these work sites, which I would rather call slave camps, they are discourage to make friends and even from knowing their roommates names, there are nets hanging around the bulding to catch the ''JUMPERS''.

They can't create a union to organize strikes against these camponies that sucks the life out of them. I am sure you know that punishment of creating a union is 12 years in prison. I dont you but in my book thats just one step better than slavery.

And you are trying to make this into a Turkey/China thing, while I am trying to show you the injustice thats been done by your goverment to your own citizens. If you support this policy that makes you are imperialist that lets people in power to suck the life out of his/her own fellow citizens.

BTW: that poor coutries you mentioned: Turkey and South America, their citizens nearly two times more richer than Chinese people... just to inform you...

i am not trying to make it a Turkey vs. China thing, and yes, China has backwards regions that are very poor. The urban regions in China are very comparable to Turkey's in GDP/capita, just take a look at GDP per capita of Istanbul vs. GDP per capita of Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, Hong Kong, Tianjin, etc.

i am also giving you some facts regarding the holidays.

as for the 31 cents per hour, 35 hour shifts, let me just say this: i don't believe a word of it, because my cousin has worked on the line of a major domestic manufacturer of cell phones and i know what he makes.

Assume 0.5 shifts per day (that's 17 hours per day of work!) at 0.31 cents per hour for 30 days a month at an exchange rate of 6.5 RMB per dollar. That would be 1027.65 RMB per month, with 7 hours of sleep per day and no time for bathroom or food. That's highly unrealistic btw.

The only problem with that is, at the location Foxconn is in, that's 30% lower than the minimum monthly wage.

Shenzhen's minimum wage highest in China|Society|chinadaily.com.cn

why would anyone work for 1027.65 RMB per month, when it is not only illegal, but there's a labor shortage?

In Coastal China, A Labor Shortage - Forbes

Labor shortage hits China

Which is it?