Tibetan activists greet Chinese military delegation with ‘Free Tibet’ sloga

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

hope pakistanies listen this, they should think at least once about Tibetans before shouting for Palestinians... Israel is much better than china .... Chinese crimes to humanity is worst in the history of mankind

No, u r black.

 

[harshad]

hope pakistanies listen this, they should think at least once about Tibetans before shouting for Palestinians... Israel is much better than china .... Chinese crimes to humanity is worst in the history of mankind

pakistanis dont care about non muslims,specially in case of tibet since its will be like going against their new masters

 

[Rusty]

hope pakistanies listen this, they should think at least once about Tibetans before shouting for Palestinians... Israel is much better than china .... Chinese crimes to humanity is worst in the history of mankind

This is a joke right?
I hope you are joking.
because if you are not then you should seriously get some mental help.

Israel is the modern day Nazi state. They literally ethnically cleansed Palestine of Palestinians. They put the remainder in giant open air concentration camps known as Gaza and the West Bank. Palestinians have no rights in Israel, they can be mistreated, striped of all their property and outright murdered and no one cares.

and you compare that evil state to China?
Which is actively working to improve the lives of Tibetans and actually wants to see Tibet flourish.

you seriously need help.

 

[beijingwalker]

what happens in Kashmir is the real hell on earth,Indian army is slaughtering Kashmiris and many mass graveyard found in Kashmir,the world's most terrible humanitarian disaster is in Kashmir.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

This is a joke right?
I hope you are joking.
because if you are not then you should seriously get some mental help.

Israel is the modern day Nazi state. They literally ethnically cleansed Palestine of Palestinians. They put the remainder in giant open air concentration camps known as Gaza and the West Bank. Palestinians have no rights in Israel, they can be mistreated, striped of all their property and outright murdered and no one cares.

and you compare that evil state to China?
Which is actively working to improve the lives of Tibetans and actually wants to see Tibet flourish.

you seriously need help.

the truth is that average Tibetans are much richer than average indians.

In the near future, tibet will be richer than the richest state of india.

 

[beijingwalker]

Don’t look away from Kashmir’s mass graves and people’s struggle
Submitted by Ali Abunimah on Wed, 08/24/2011 - 09:26

Last Summer, during a massive unarmed revolt against Indian rule in Kashmir, the writer Pankaj Mishra posed the following question about the situation in the territory. It remains as valid today as a year ago – especially after the recent discovery of thousands of bodies in mass graves:

Once known for its extraordinary beauty, the valley of Kashmir now hosts the biggest, bloodiest and also the most obscure military occupation in the world. With more than 80,000 people dead in an anti-India insurgency backed by Pakistan, the killings fields of Kashmir dwarf those of Palestine and Tibet. In addition to the everyday regime of arbitrary arrests, curfews, raids, and checkpoints enforced by nearly 700,000 Indian soldiers, the valley’s 4 million Muslims are exposed to extra-judicial execution, rape and torture, with such barbaric variations as live electric wires inserted into penises.

Why then does the immense human suffering of Kashmir occupy such an imperceptible place in our moral imagination? After all, the Kashmiris demanding release from the degradations of military rule couldn’t be louder and clearer. India has contained the insurgency provoked in 1989 by its rigged elections and massacres of protestors. The hundreds of thousands of demonstrators that fill the streets of Kashmir’s cities today are overwhelmingly young, many in their teens, and armed with nothing more lethal than stones. Yet the Indian state seems determined to strangle their voices as it did of the old one. Already this summer, soldiers have shot dead more than 50 protestors, most of them teenagers.

The tolls of last summer’s unarmed uprising, violently suppressed by Indian forces with live fire, eventually rose to more than 100. And, though Kashmir is even less in the headlines today, protests and abuses – particularly the arrests and mistreatment of teenage boys – continue.

For decades, until today, the two-thirds of Kashmir under Indian control has been ruled under the Armed Forces Special Powers Act, emergency rule as repressive as the worst Arab dictatorship.

Mass graves uncovered

If all the suffering of the living in Kashmir has not succeeded in awakening international concern, the recent revelations of mass graves must. Amnesty International reported on 22 August:

Following a report by a police investigation team, confirming the existence of unmarked graves containing bodies of persons subject to enforced disappearances, urgent action needs to be taken including preserving the evidence and widening the investigation across Jammu and Kashmir said Amnesty International today.

Over 2700 unmarked graves have been identified by the 11-member police team of the State Human Rights Commission (SHRC) in four districts of north Kashmir. Despite claims of the local police that the graves contained dead bodies of “unidentified militants”, the report points out that 574 bodies have been identified as disappeared locals - 17 of these have already been exhumed and shifted to family or village grave sites.

The police report concludes that there is “every probability” that the remaining over 2100 unidentified graves “may contain the dead bodies of [persons subject to] enforced disappearances.” The report further clarifies that the only way to negate such a claim is to study the DNA profiles of the unidentified dead bodies and warns that in the absence of such tests, “it has to be assumed/ presumed that [the] State wants to remain silent deliberately to hide the Human Rights violations.”

While Amnesty welcomed this report, it calls on Indian authorities:

to initiate thorough investigations into unmarked graves throughout the state. All unmarked grave sites must be secured and investigations carried out by impartial forensic experts in line with the UN Model Protocol on the disinterment and analysis of skeletal remains.

The fact that an investigation has reached this point at all is to India’s credit, but given its appalling record in Kashmir, there is little reason to believe that India will provide justice for victims without strong pressure and exposure.

The silence of the liberals

While almost every other week, the United States issues orders to this or that country’s leader to step down, or to (very selectively) “respect human rights,” the Obama administration has been totally silent about the crisis in Kashmir. During his visit to India last year, Obama did not mention it.

In US media and establishment discourse, India is often presented as a colorful, “vibrant democracy” with a booming economy and an emerging middle class which is eyed hungrily by American corporations looking to export consumer goods – or jobs to India’s cheaper labor force.

I was reminded of the general obliviousness to the situation in Kashmir by a recent comment on Twitter from Princeton Professor Anne-Marie Slaughter, former Director of Policy Planning in Obama’s State Department, on the occasion of India assuming the chairmanship of the UN Security Council:

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

pakistanis dont care about non muslims,specially in case of tibet since its will be like going against their new masters

Pakistanis dont care about even xinjiang muslims who are not allowed to even pray in open. Their new master might get hurt.

 

[OrionHunter]

Ooops! This thread has degenerated into a flame fest!!

I'm outta here!

 

[BJP*]

This is a joke right?
I hope you are joking.
because if you are not then you should seriously get some mental help.

Israel is the modern day Nazi state. They literally ethnically cleansed Palestine of Palestinians. They put the remainder in giant open air concentration camps known as Gaza and the West Bank. Palestinians have no rights in Israel, they can be mistreated, striped of all their property and outright murdered and no one cares.

and you compare that evil state to China?
Which is actively working to improve the lives of Tibetans and actually wants to see Tibet flourish.

you seriously need help.

mate.. just replace Israel with china and Palestine withe Tibet. I would still agree with that post. If you are not receiving the news whats happening in tibet that dose not mean every thing is fine in Tibet.

You can compare Nazis with Israel but Chinese are even worst than Nazis, in fact incomparable.
A get a life, becoming frog in the well is not going to help you.

 

[beijingwalker]

India’s illegal occupation of independent Sikkim has to be reversed

India’s illegal occupation of independent Sikkim has to be reversed
Posted on August 17, 2009 by Moin Ansari



When Saddam Husein of Iraq, wanted to take over the tiny kingdom of Kuwait, the American Ambassador Gillespie told Saddam Husein that the USA would consider it an inter-Arab affair–giving him the green light to reintegrate Kuwait as the 22nd province of Iraq. After he crossed the border and took over Kuwait city, President Bush (41) took a coalition of allies and forced Saddam Husein back to the border of Kuwait.

When the USSR in response to the machinations in Kabul invaded Afghanistan, the entire world turned against them and forced the Soviet Union to withdraw from the graveyard of empires.



Map Sikkim Bhutan Chumb: Schone la peak south of Chumbi Valley in Tibet (China). Bhutan is negotiating Chaumb Valley to China. The pregnable Siluri corridor the thin land between Nepal, Bangladesh, and slightly south of Bhutan and Chinese Tibet. The Siliguri corridor is 500 km north of Chumbi valley

However 34 years ago when Bharati armies rode into Gangtok the capital of Sikkim, world conscience was asleep and has been asleep since then. While there are huge demonstrations for Tibet in the Western world, no celebrity has chosen to fight for the rights of a peaceful nation taken over by Bharat.

The world has forgotten about Sikkim and condoned Delhis act of naked aggression perpetuated on an innocent and docile population. The world has also not spoken up against the cruelty of Delhi on South Tibet (an area which it occupied from China).

Bhutan faces a similar fate. Bharat’s expansionist dreams have no end.

Bharati aggression against her neighbors has to opposed and reversed. Sanctions must be imposed on Delhi for taking over countries. Delhi must learn that aggression does not pay.

India ensalves 450 million Dalits and schedules caste people as Untouchables. Severe economic sancitons must be imposed on India ’till she liberates those millions who are in bondage.

Sikkim has lost its independence, its national identity, and Buddhism exterminated from the rest of Bharat now faces the bayonets of Brhamanism. One of our regular contributors sent us the link to this fantastic article publishedin the Nepali Times.

King Palden Thondup Namgyal, the Chogyal of Sikkim was in his palace on the morning of 6 April, 1975 when the roar of army trucks climbing the steep streets of Gangtok brought him running to the window. There were Indian soldiers everywhere, they had surrounded the palace, and short rapid bursts of machine gun fire could be heard. Basanta Kumar Chhetri, a 19-year-old guard at the palace’s main gate, was struck by a bullet and killed-the first casualty of the takeover. The 5,000-strong Indian force didn’t take more than 30 minutes to subdue the palace guards who numbered only 243. By 12.45 it was all over, Sikkim ceased to exist as an independent kingdom.


Map of Sikkim: China has wavered on accepting Sikkim as part of Bharat

Captured palace guards, hands raised high were packed into trucks and taken away, singing: “Dela sil, li gi, gang changka chibso” (may my country keep blooming like a flower). But by the, the Indian tri-colour had replaced the Sikkimese flag at the palace where the 12th king of the Namgyal dynasty was held prisoner. “The Chogyal was a great believer in India. He had huge respect for Mahatma Gnadhi and Jawaharlal Nehru. Not in his wildest dreams did he think India would ever swallow up his kingdom,” recalls Captain Sonam Yongda, the Chogyal’s aide-de-camp. Nehru himself had told journalist Kuldip Nayarin 1960: “Taking a small country like Sikkim by force would be like shooting a fly with a rifle.” Ironically it was Nehru’s daughter Indira Gandhi who cited “national interest” to make Sikkim the 22nd state in the Indian union.

In the years leading up to the 1975 annexation, there was enough evidence that all was not well in relations between New Delhi and Gangtok. The seeds were sown as far back as 1947 after India gained independence, when the Sikkim State Congress started an anti-monarchist movement to introduce democracy, end feudalism andmerge with India. “We went to Delhi to talk to Nehru about these demands,” recalls CD Rai, a rebel leader. “He told us, we’ll help you with democracy and getting rid of feudalism, but don’t talk about merger now.” Relenting to pressure from pro-democracy supporters, the 11th Chogyalwas forced to include Raiin a five-member council of ministers, to sign a one-sided treaty with India which would effectively turn Sikkim into an Indian “protectorate”, and allow the stationing of an Indian “political officer” in Gangtok.


Map of the independent kingdom of Sikkim--now occupied by Bharat

As a leader of international stature with an anti-imperialist role on the world stage, Nehru did not want to be seen to be bullying small neighbours in his own backyard. But by 1964 Nehru had died and so had the 11th Chogyal, Sir Tashi Namgyal. There was a new breed of young and impatient political people emerging in Sikkim and things were in ferment. The plot thickened when Kaji Lendup Dorji (also known as LD Kaji) of the Sikkim National Congress, who had an ancestral feud with the Chogyal’s family, entered the fray. By 1973, New Delhi was openly supporting the Kaji’s Sikkim National Congress. Pushed into a corner, the new Chogyal signed a tripatriteagreement with political parties and India under which there was further erosion of his powers. LD Kaji’s Sikkim National Congress won an overwhelming majority in the 1974 elections, and within a year the cabinet passed a bill asking for the Chogyal’sremoval. The house sought a referendum, during which the decision was endorsed. “That was a charade,” says KC Pradhan, who was then minister of agriculture. “The voting was directed by the

Indian military.”

India’s “Chief Executive” in Gangtok wrote: “Sikkim’s merger was necessary for Indian national interest. And we worked to that end. Maybe if the Chogyal had been smarter, and played his cards better, it wouldn’t have turned out the way it did.”

It is also said that the real battle was not between the Chogyal and Kaji Lendup Dorji, but between their wives. On one side was Queen Hope Cook, the American wife of the Chogyal and on the other was the Belgian wife of the Kaji, Elisa-Maria Standford. “This was a proxy war between the American and the Belgian,” says former chief minister, BB Gurung. But there was a third woman involved: Indira Gandhi in New Delhi.

Chogyal Palden met the 24-year-old New Yorker, Hope Cook, in Darjeeling in 1963 and married her. For Cook, this was a dream come true: to become the queen of an independent kingdom in Shangrila. She started taking the message of Sikkimese independence to the youth, and the allegations started flying thick and fast that she was a CIA agent. These were the coldest years of the Cold War, and there was a tendency in India to see a “foreign hand” behindeverything so it was not unusual for the American queen to be labelled a CIA agent. However, as Hope Cook’s relations withDelhi deteriorated, so did her marriage with the Chogyal. In 1973, she took her two children and went back to New York. She hasn’t returned to Sikkim since.

Then there was Elisa-Maria, daughter of a Belgian father and German mother who left her Scottish husband in Burma and married LD Kaji in Delhi in 1957. The two couldn’t have been more different. Elisa-Maria wanted to be Sikkim’s First Lady, but Hope Cook stood in the way. “She didn’t just want to be the wife of an Indian chief minister, she wanted to be the wife of the prime minister of an independent Sikkim.” With that kind of an ambition, it was not surprising that with annexation, neither Hope Cook nor Elisa-Maria got what they wanted.

Meanwhile in New Delhi, Indira Gandhi was going from strengthto strength, and India was flexing its muscles. The 1971 Bangladesh war and the atomic test in 1974 gave Delhi the confidence to take care of Sikkim once and for all. Indira Gandhi was concerned that Sikkim may show independent tendencies and become a UN member like Bhutan did in 1971, and she also didn’t take kindly to the three Himalayan kingdoms, Bhutan, Sikkim andNepal, getting too cosy with each other. The Chogyal attended King Birendra’s coronation in Kathmandu in 1975 andhobnobbed with the Pakistanis and the Chinese, and there was a lobby in Delhi that felt Sikkim may get Chinese help to become independent.

In his book on the Indian intelligence agency, Inside RAW, The story of India’s secret service, Ashok Raina writes that New Delhi had taken the decision to annex Sikkim in 1971, andthat the RAW used the next two years to create the right conditions within Sikkim to make that happen. The key here was to use the predominantly-Hindu Sikkimese of Nepali origin who complained of discrimination from the Buddhist king and elite to rise up. “What we felt then was that the Chogyal was unjust to us,” says CD Rai, editor of Gangtok Times and ex-minister. “We thought it may be better to be Indian than to be oppressed by the king.”

So, when the Indian troops moved in there was general jubilation on the streets of Gangtok. It was in fact in faraway Kathmandu that there were reverberations. Beijing expressed grave concern. But in the absence of popular protests against the Indian move, there was only muted reaction at the United Nations in New York. It was only later that there were contrary opinions within India-Morarji Desai said in 1978 that the merger was a mistake. Even Sikkimese political leaders who fought for the merger said it was a blunder and worked to roll it back. But by then it was too late.

Today, most Sikkimese know they lost their independence in 1975, and Siliguri-bound passengers in Gangtok still say they are “going to India”. The elite have benefited from New Delhi’s largesse and aren’t complaining. As ex-chief minister BB Gurung says: “We can’t turn the clock back now.” 25 years after SIKKIM

Next month, it will be 25 years since the Indian annexation of Sikkim. Sudheer Sharmalooks back at how a Himalayan kingdom lost its sovereignty. Nepali Times

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Ooops! This thread has degenerated into a flame fest!!

I'm outta here!

when you guys started this thread,you know what it would end up like.

 

[Manas]

I give my moral support to the Tibetans fighting for freedom of Tibet from the communist authoritarian rule of China.

Independent Tibet is our neighbor ,not China .

 

[beijingwalker]

I give my moral support to Kashmiris and Maoist fighters and other Indian insurgent groups for fighting for their freedom.

 

[Rusty]

mate.. just replace Israel with china and Palestine withe Tibet. I would still agree with that post. If you are not receiving the news whats happening in tibet that dose not mean every thing is fine in Tibet.

You can compare Nazis with Israel but Chinese are even worst than Nazis, in fact incomparable.
A get a life, becoming frog in the well is not going to help you.

So you agree that Israel is an evil state which has and is continuing to commit genocide.

Great, thats step one.

Step 2. where is the genocide against Tibet?
Last I heard they still had all of their territory and efforts were being made to include them in the prosperity of China.

And step 3. I already have a life, I educate the "special needs" students of the internet

 

[beijingwalker]

fighting for freedom to death,we support Maoist fighters,they bear the name of our PRC's founding father.

 

[BJP*]

So you agree that Israel is an evil state which has and is continuing to commit genocide.

Great, thats step one.

Step 2. where is the genocide against Tibet?
Last I heard they still had all of their territory and efforts were being made to include them in the prosperity of China.

And step 3. I already have a life, I educate the "special needs" students of the internet

then why dont you educate yourself
follow these links there are thousands like these, you need to google
Genocides in history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
'China unleashing cultural genocide in Tibet'
Tibet: Genocide and Ecocide
http://wiki.nus.edu.sg/display/cs1105groupreports/Media+Coverage+of+Tibet+Unrest