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I'm sorry but was it ethical to invade Kuwait that led to the deaths of many in the first place? Was it ethical to put children in harms way for Japan when they attacked America in WW2 knowing that we be bombing them? Was it ethical that the Taliban is allowed to bomb your kids in mosques and markets and not be angered by it but it feels more acceptable, where Americans would do it and you are outraged?
india is playing proxy war with pakistan using so called taliban against pakistan attacks on air bases naval bases is pureply in favour of india in recent interview of hina rabani khar talat hussain before the program clearly says our leaders dont have guts to accept that who is playing against pakistan we every time blame each and every thing on taliban while in india a single cracker fires india blames pakistan
Honourable Sir,
I beg to disagree with your statement. Most terrorist actions such as suicide bombings and killings are claimed by Taliban themselves. People such as Salim Saafi, Rahim ullah Yusufzai & Hamid Mir receive phone calls or emails from Taliban spokesperson. If Taliban are innocent as you claim, why no denial is issued on their behalf.
Even if CIA, RAW & Israel is behind these acts as conspiracy theorists claim, the people who actually carry out these atrocities are Pakistanis brainwashed by their TTP/Al Qaida handlers. Person who commits murder is at least as culpable as the person who asked him to do it.
Today’s suicide attack of ANP meeting today where Bashir Ahmed Bilour was killed was also claimed by Taliban as was the attack on Malala Yusufzai. Taliban cut heads of Pakistani soldiers and display the same in videos over the internet! Nevertheless here we have people who refuse to accept that their adorable Taliban can be the guilty party! Nearly 40,000 Pakistanis have already died at the hands of TTP & their allies, how many more need to die before people start calling spade a spade?
In my opinion, in addition to the Taliban killers, all those who continue in this state of denial equally share the blame for the innocent Pakistanis who lost their lives at the hands of the TTP butchers.
Here is an article published in today’s News, it is up to you whether you believed it or not. Who give a fig for human life in Pakistan anyway?
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Predatory all the way
Saturday, December 22, 2012
From Print Edition
Legal eye
Babar Sattar
The writer is a lawyer based in Islamabad.
When you kill health workers trying to prevent your kids from becoming cripples, when you mow down fellow citizens for no reason other than your disagreement with their religious beliefs, when you legitimise fascism and use of force by paying heedonly to those who speak the language of violence, and when your response to being caught with your pants down is not one of shame but that of anger – not at yourself but at those who blew the whistle on you – it’s time to consider not just the failings of the state but also those of the society.
These events reflect a few behavioural tendencies: intolerance and inability to embrace difference of opinion or dissent; an intrusive approach to the life of others with the resolve to enforce your viewpoint by force; and self-righteousness that can range from brazenness to outright hypocrisy. The change we crave won’t be delivered by smart plans to overhaul state institutions or our defunct system of governance alone. We need to take a sober look at what we see in the mirror and start talking about values and societal reform. Bad structures might facilitate power abuse, violence and corruption, but these traits are rooted in acceptable social behaviour.
We are so incensed at the insensitivity of the west to our religious sensibilities if some idiot releases a crude blasphemous video that we burn our own house down. But we are not incensed when Shias or Ahmadis are killed just for the audacity to hold beliefs different from those of the majority Sunni community. The state might have declared the Ahmadis non-Muslim, which might have galvanised intolerance against them, but what about the genocide of Shias? How many Sunnis have heard, during informal conversations at some point in their lives, that Shias are worse than kafirs? Is the killing of Shias really a law and order issue?
Is Mumtaz Qadri not a hero for a disturbingly large chunk of people in Pakistan? Did lawyers not shower petals on him? Did a former high court chief justice not elect to defend him in court? Did Rehman Malik not say that he would shoot a blasphemer himself? Did the judge who convicted Qadri not have to leave Pakistan? Was Salmaan Taseer being tried for blasphemy? Was even one blasphemous word ever attributed to him? His sin was that he demanded justice for a Christian woman accused of blasphemy. That was enough for a diverse range of ‘educated’ people across Pakistan to decide in their hearts and minds that Taseer’s murder was justified.
Why do we get upset or distressed over the brutalities unleashed by the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), but not really angry? We got sad and depressed when Malala was attacked, but not mad enough at those who attacked her to cripple their ability to execute such attacks in the future. Our nonchalant condemnation of the assassinations of health workers executing the anti-polio campaign is even more revealing. Will paying compensations to aggrieved families arrest the vicious violent mindset that claimed nine precious lives and delivered a fatal blow to the anti-polio campaign?
Even where the most heinous crimes have been perpetrated with impunity we look to religious leaders to gauge the culpability of oppressors and accept criminals as misguided zealots as opposed to hardened malefactors if the crime is committed in the name of religion or by religion-inspired militants. In this country we have managed to confuse crime with sin. The society has taken upon itself to punish perceived sins through the use of force without state involvement. But if a crime is committed in the name of religion but isn’t deemed a sin by our self-proclaimed guardians of religion or their militant offspring, even the state is prevented from enforcing punishment.
How is it possible for terrorists to survive in urban centres such as Karachi if the community is not sympathetic to their cause? The argument in favour of a comprehensive military operation in North Waziristan is to deny TTP a sanctuary to plan and execute terror attacks across Pakistan. But is it not scary to consider that all of Pakistan might have become a sanctuary for militants due to sympathy for, or at least acceptance of, violent extremism? Can militants continue to execute terror plans in urban areas without local sympathy or support even if they are planned elsewhere?
Sadness at a loss caused by crime is a passive emotion, but anger at those inflicting the loss can be a trigger for action. It is the latter that we lack in a social environment where religion-inspired crimes are treated as understandable if not justifiable. The problem is compounded by a culture where use of force as a means to pursue legitimate ends is deemed kosher. What is the difference in principle between the act of a zealot who believes someone to be a blasphemer and believes he ought to die and so kills him and that of another who believes a Shia to be an infidel liable to be killed and so kills him? We are living in a society where the legitimacy of the means used to achieve an end has become irrelevant.
The use of violence to achieve desired ends has become a norm across institutions of the state and society. If the khakis can’t stomach the guts of Col Inam-ur-Rahim for pursuing unpleasant cases in court he will end up being beaten in the centre of a cantonment. If you are considered more than a nuisance you could go missing altogether. If the MQM doesn’t like the fact that the Supreme Court has ordered delimitation of constituencies in Karachi its supreme leaders hurl abuse on the judges publicly. When the SC issues Altaf Hussain a contempt notice the commercial hub of Pakistan is mysteriously locked down. And anyone who chooses to fault Altaf Bhai does so at their own peril.
TTP’s tool of persuasion is also violence. They will not debate the merit of school education versus madressah education with opponents. They will just blow up the school. And whether it is the tribal culture in Balochistan, the feudal culture in Sindh (with stories of haris chained or fed to dogs or even crocks) or the culture of honour in Punjab with women killed and disfigured for marrying of their own choice, the use of violence as a preferred means to an end seems to be rooted in our culture.
Our intolerance and use of violence as an instrument of choice is further complimented by our hypocrisy and self-righteousness. Our chief justice was accused of abusing authority to get his son inducted in the police service that led to the fateful reference moved against him in 2007. Former PM Gilani broke all records of nepotism and distributed high-powered jobs to personal friends at whim. The current PM has awarded his son-in-law a World Bank position. As a society do we lack a culture of answerability as well as the ability to speak our minds?
There is no accountability in Pakistan because the powerful find it beneath themselves to answer for their actions. The generals get mad and hide behind troop morale when citizens seek to hold them to account. Parliamentarians cry foul when the SC disqualifies them for possessing fake degrees. The SC refuses to allow its registrar to submit to the jurisdiction of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) to simply answer questions about its public expenditure. And members of the PAC go postal when the media exposes their shameful tax record.
Why do these things keep happening? They happen because there is no longer any social and moral censure against them. And this is not an institutional problem alone. We are losing the ethical values that are required to maintain equilibrium in a civilised society and distinguish acceptable behaviour from the unacceptable. 2013 is election year. Anyone genuinely interested in reformative change must focus on our social and ethical value degradation.
Email: sattar@post.harvard.edu
Predatory all the way - Babar Sattar
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Yes, I have a soul. And I am a parent. And I've seen what most of the kids belonging to poor families do. First their parents are ignorant enough to have ten plus kids despite their fincial constraints. On average, a poor family in Pak has about 7-9 kids. Then they complain, they can't provide for them, they can't go to hospitals.
So why did you bother having so many kids? I'll tell you why, kids for them is a labor ticket, who will work and bring in money and food. That's it. When things don't go according to plan, then they poison and kill their kids, citing impoverishment.
When their kids grow up a little, they put them to work and society has to take over. Send them to school, give them education, when they don't, these kids become criminals and thugs. Loot and kill people and businesses for money as they grow older.
When you know this outcome, then why bother risking your neck saving them in the first place. I admit its a harsh and cruel thing to say, but someone has to say it. I am labelled a soulless and a heartless person for saying this but what about those poor parents who despite their impoverished lifestyle bear a dozen kids, poison them, put them to work and deprive them of basic health needs.
Those must be pitied and sympathized with.
Killed only for helping people,what a world.
There is a wrong perception deliberately mentioned in Article and couple of people blaming Pushtuns over here.
There is no Pushtun movement Pushtuns have suffered the most whether in KPK or Baluchistan, This is a Taliban Jahilia movement. Objectives are putting terror in people across Pakistan.
Tricky, putting blame on whole of Pushtuns while neglecting sindhi movement runned by Political Parties PPP-MQM...
taliban calls all of these journalists still un traceable ? another conspiracy theory or this nation being made fool ?
Sir,
You are as much a Pakistani as I am and I respect your views even though the same are 180 degrees opposite. I can only comment that as long as intelligent people don't accept that our real enemy is TTP, terrorist cannot be defeated.
Here the the editorial in Dawn. Again you are at liberty to believe what you will.
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Undefeated militancy
From the Newspaper | 13 hours ago 2
BASHIR Ahmed Bilour, an ANP stalwart and an implacable critic of militancy and Pakistan’s drift towards extremism, is no more. Killed by the same ideology he preached against and which saw him as a threat to the agenda of remaking Pakistan into a darker and more troubling place, the tragedy of Mr Bilour’s death is that it was perhaps a death foretold. In recent weeks, the surge in militant violence across Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Fata may have come as a surprise to some, but to anyone following the arc of militancy in the region closely, the signs of an unbowed and undefeated militant threat looking to reassert itself were plentiful. And given that the state’s response in the face of the morphing threat from militancy appears to have been yet more uncertainty and near paralysis in some areas, the likelihood of high-profile attacks that would grab headlines and inflict further blows against the morale of the state and the public was very high. Now, Mr Bilour is dead and it’s almost certain that the recent wave of attacks in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Fata will continue.
What can the state do? In moments like this, well-meaning commentary about better strategies and tactics and who to fight where and when are almost beside the point. Once, and only once, Pakistani state and society develop a consensus that militancy, radicalisation and extremism need to be decisively reversed, can any military, political or social strategy work. There is often much focus put on the role of the army-led security establishment in prolonging Pakistan’s association with militancy, radicalisation and extremism. The focus is correct and necessary because until the army adopts a zero-tolerance policy towards militancy, the state is unlikely to ever develop the will or capacity to smother the threat permanently. However, there is a serious burden of responsibility on the civilian political class too — a burden of responsible leadership that few have been able to carry well when it comes to confronting the militant threat.
For all the levers and control the security establishment may have over state and society, if there is to be meaningful change, it is the civilian political leadership that will have to demonstrate courage and clarity. Too much obfuscation, too much dithering, too much doublespeak has characterised many civilian politicians’ response to the threat from militancy. Myopia can only take a politician so far; ultimately, the militants have made it clear: it is them versus everyone else.
Undefeated militancy | Newspaper | DAWN.COM
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yes TTP is our enemy world's 7th largest force is unable to handle TTP the one who formed Talibans are now fed up of taliban cant trace them TTP openly calls journalists and have chit chats our super duper agencies are busy in kidnapping citizen of pakistan and torturing them :S
india is playing proxy war with pakistan using so called taliban against pakistan attacks on air bases naval bases is pureply in favour of india in recent interview of hina rabani khar talat hussain before the program clearly says our leaders dont have guts to accept that who is playing against pakistan we every time blame each and every thing on taliban while in india a single cracker fires india blames pakistan
Is there a translated version ?The following is a letter from TTP to Saleem Saafi, would you say that this is Indian/Zinoist conspiracy and it is all made up?
Salim Safi - jirga - Pakistani taliban kiya soochtay hain - Jang Columns