Three Indian Firms Among World's Most Innovative Companies

[Skull and Bones]

Chotte Mian,

Can you really cure fanboy syndrome with intellectual discourse?

He can stay stupid for eternity for all I care.

 

[Globaltracker81]

thank you for your non-hostile answer and for letting us know of the internal compromises within tcs.

i agree that there will be progressive people within tcs or the larger indian it industry who find difficulty in finding time, money or resources to realize your innovative ideas not just in computing but in other technological areas too.

however, i will ask you to consider this... every idea follow-up need not require a big amount of money... when i wrote a basic microkernel-style operating system some years ago, i did it on a ordinary pc which ran linux... all i needed on this was the bcc compiler and bochs x86 virtual machine.

similarly, to design a microprocessor, if a small group can pool approx 1.25 lakhs, they can buy a basic fpga board ( xilinx or altera ) and test their design.

the catch is that one must begin designing something first, and that generally starts with scratches in a book.

see, i didn't know x86 assembly language... i learnt it from a borrowed book and experimented within the "debug" program in windows... six months later, i had written the os... it had unix-style signals asynchronous messaging, synchronous message passing and timers... it was a basic os that i meant to expand and there was a little group i had collected.

so money is not everything.

I perfectly agree with you.
Mostly 12 - 16 hrs of time is taken up in our job which we cannot leave as because of financial commitments accumulated. The family also takes some time and not much time is left on hand to work on personal goals.

Every person will have their own way to use their day but most of them fall in the above set.

 

[dray]

I perfectly agree with you.
Mostly 12 - 16 hrs of time is taken up in our job which we cannot leave as because of financial commitments accumulated. The family also takes some time and not much time is left on hand to work on personal goals.

Every person will have their own way to use their day but most of them fall in the above set.

Technology has advanced so much that one is unlikely to come up with anything revolutionary from a garrage, it is more likely to happen in the workplace itself. However, those who really have such ideas outside their jobs, and the conviction to execute it; will always find a way to work on it.

 

[jamahir]

What to analyze? You worked in a media company for a year, couldn't deliver, quit the job, and joined PDF, an online internet forum that neither pays, nor asks you to perform. CooL!!

couldn't deliver??

i was in the process of initiating a employees union there, which would have probably been the first union in the indian services/software sector... had to fight with some and all that... had ambitious plans for it... i should have remained i suppose, at least for the enlightenment of some pdf members.

i certainly delivered, i certainly performed.

You should speed up, I mean..it should come before the end of the world, no?

you gots that right.

So, are you waiting for some 'Shubh Muhurat' to start your work?

well, reducing my time on pdf starting today... sunday seemed shubh.

Btw, I am also designing a Moon rocket that can send 20 men on a return trip to Moon for just Rs.20, space exploration, space mining, space tourism, space farming, energy source, space garbage disposal.....it will change the world you know!

ah, and you our local elon musk and yuri gagarin combined??

didn't understand your 20 rupees funda though.

but "made in india" at last !!

People work in every part of the world, not everyone is fortunate to live comfortably without working (and daydreaming).

no, we separate "work" from "job"... everyone must do rightful/reasonable work, no one must do job ( and make a show of it )... nothing too difficult to understand

Another minor question, how do you feed yourself or the source of income, since you do not have any active job, neither does Indian government has any socialist scheme as rich as you can afford an internet connection, and rant on forums?

oh, i manage.

Chotte Mian,

Can you really cure fanboy syndrome with intellectual discourse?

bade mian, whose fan boy??

and you call his snide and brattish commenting as intellectual observations??

However, those who really have such ideas outside their jobs, and the conviction to execute it; will always find a way to work on it.

mogambo khush hua !!

 

[dray]

couldn't deliver??

i was in the process of initiating a employees union there, which would have probably been the first union in the indian software/services industry... had to fight with the managers and all... had ambitious plans for it... i should have remained i suppose, at least for the enlightenment of some pdf members.

i certainly delivered, i certainly performed.

So you did everything other than the work you were being paid for, and got fired, right?

didn't understand your 20 rupees funda though.

I know, otherwise you wouldn't be supposedly making "Word Documents" on "designing a computer system ( processor, os etc ) from scratch" for last one year or more! You need to offer some value addition in terms of usability, efficiency, cost, reliability, etc. over the existing products & services to make your project successful, do you see that happening with your project, if it at all exists in reality?

Btw, that "20 rupees funda" is the value addition in terms of cost efficiency, otherwise Moon rockets exist for decades now.

no, we separate "work" from "job"... everyone must do rightful/reasonable work, no one must do job ( and make a show of it )... nothing too difficult to understand

All "Work" are not "Work", some are Bull$hit. "Work" must do some kind of value addition to the society and for the worker, even painters and poets need to create economic value for their work, social workers also earn while doing some value addition to the society. "Daydreaming" doesn't really qualify as "Work".

oh, i manage.

How? Parents? I hope you don't run another NGO that exists only to take care of you (I have seen too many of those).

mogambo khush hua !!

Nothing to be happy about, you are not one of that type with ideas, vision and conviction. Your action speaks for itself.

well, reducing my time on pdf starting today... sunday seemed shubh.

Great! Do mention my name for pushing you to work when you become the face of the greatest leap of technology for mankind!!

 

[Echo_419]

tata consultancy services ( tcs )??

it is a software coolie company which last december removed 35,000+ people in a cruel manner just because the company doesn't have money to pay them salaries and so is downsizing.

and what innovation?? did tcs design a operating system or microprocessor or a new kind of computer or a new internet architecture or new kind of storage device or new method or computing?? what have they innovated??

You should take less drugs

 

[jamahir]

So you did everything other than the work you were being paid for, and got fired, right?

firing someone like this would have been injustice ( which i was fighting against to begin with ) and i don't know what my reaction would have been.

if i had been fired, i would have said so.

"Work" must do some kind of value addition to the society and for the worker, even painters and poets need to create economic value for their work, social workers also earn while doing some value addition to the society.

"from each according to capacity, to each according to need"... "those who produce, can consume".

among the few on pdf who understand that is me.

"Daydreaming" doesn't really qualify as "Work".

my sincere advice for you is to change your attitude... you should think whether you are actually contributing to society ( local, external ) or just making a cultural performance.

the most struggle you would have seen is mugging up for exams and something about jobs.

go join progressive groups, at least the aap.

change your company in pdf.

i have nothing to say on this anymore... i have been polite in replying to all this nonsensical hostility.

join a progressive group this week and inform me.

 

[dray]

firing someone like this would have been injustice ( which i was fighting against to begin with ) and i don't know what my reaction would have been.

if i had been fired, i would have said so.

They didn't? That must be one hell of an employee friendly media company that let you continue with your personal goal of forming an union inside it at their cost.

"from each according to capacity, to each according to need"... "those who produce, can consume".

among the few on pdf who understand that is me.

Considering that you are young, you are not working to your capacity, in fact you are not working at all. You are consuming without producing as per your own admission, let's agree to agree that no such out-of-the-world processor or OS is coming from you EVER.

my sincere advice for you is to change your attitude... you should think whether you are actually contributing to society ( local, external ) or just making a cultural performance.

the most struggle you would have seen is mugging up for exams and something about jobs.

go join progressive groups, at least the aap.

change your company in pdf.

i have nothing to say on this anymore... i have been polite in replying to all this nonsensical hostility.

join a progressive group this week and inform me.

Progressive or not, AAP is far less delusional than you for sure, just see how they have come to power in Delhi UT and enjoying all the booties that come along with it.

For me, just let me know how you feed yourself and your family, and I might join your "Progressive group" to live comfortably without working.

 

[jamahir]

They didn't? That must be one hell of an employee friendly media company that let you continue with your personal goal of forming an union inside it at their cost.

at their cost??

should i have let the managers treat so many employees like bonded laborers and drones whose pains one need not be sympathetic to??

forming a union is a international right, especially in a highly exploitative situation like the indian services/software industry.

ibm-usa has employee union but ibm-india does not... something is wrong with you people that you don't want justice and equality... maybe it is cultural.

let's agree to agree that no such out-of-the-world processor or OS is coming from you EVER.

okay, i admit... drdo will demonstrate this week the hack-proof crash-proof operating system that they promised in 2010 and infosys will demonstrate this week to the world its radical new processor... and you are the chief designer in both projects... and i am but a humble onlooker.

Progressive or not, AAP is far less delusional than you for sure, just see how they have come to power in Delhi UT and enjoying all the booties that come along with it.

hmm, you should inform aap's supporters like swara bhaskar and vishal dadlani that aap is as vulgar as bjp.

For me, just let me know how you feed yourself and your family, and I might join your "Progressive group" to live comfortably without working.

stop bringing in my family to hide what you didn't do all these years.

huzoor-e-aala, who was stopping you from being in salaried employment whilst participating in real betterment of your society and the world at large??

or are you are scared to voice any opinion but the rightist??

decency prevents me from making other comments.

i agree with many pakistani members, most indian members should stop coming to pdf.

and i hope all members read our exchange.

 

[dray]

at their cost??

should i have let the managers treat so many employees like bonded laborers and drones whose pains one need not be sympathetic to??

forming a union is a international right, especially in a highly exploitative situation like the indian services/software industry.

ibm-usa has employee union but ibm-india does not... something is wrong with you people that you don't want justice and equality... maybe it is cultural.

Yes, at their cost, they certainly weren't paying you salary to form an union.

And what you did then? You left those fools who might have danced with you at the prospects of forming an union and stop working then (that's what unions do in India).

okay, i admit... drdo will demonstrate this week the hack-proof crash-proof operating system that they promised in 2010 and infosys will demonstrate this week to the world its radical new processor... and you are the chief designer in both projects... and i am but a humble onlooker.

Good that you have agreed to the fact that no such out-of-the-world processor or OS is coming from you EVER. It probably hurts a little to tell people that you are practically doing nothing, hence the 'processor and OS' story.

Rest of your post is rant.

hmm, you should inform aap's supporters like swara bhaskar and vishal dadlani that aap is as vulgar as bjp.

Useless statement.

huzoor-e-aala, who was stopping you from being in salaried employment whilst participating in real betterment of your society and the world at large??

or are you are scared to voice any opinion but the rightist??

decency prevents me from making other comments.

i agree with many pakistani members, most indian members should stop coming to pdf.

and i hope all members read our exchange.

AGAIN ASKING, WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING? You are free to come up with another fantastic story.

 

[jamahir]

Yes, at their cost, they certainly weren't paying you salary to form an union.

were they paying me salary so that i could be exploited and see others exploited??

And what you did then? You left those fools who might have danced with you at the prospects of forming an union and stop working then (that's what unions do in India).

no, i thought they would enter where i had opened the door.

but most youngsters ( the under 30's ) are not politically aware and perhaps scared of taking up real leadership and maybe a bit embarrassed of talking for others... they certainly need guidance to understand the concept of rights, equality and freedom.

and "stop working"?? are you a zamindar or voluntary bonded laborer that you use that phrase??

 

[Skull and Bones]

AGAIN ASKING, WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING? You are free to come up with another fantastic story.

Walter Mitty syndrome, anyone?

 

[jamahir]

five pages of hate campaign against me just because i questioned the capability of the overall indian computer industry.

 

[Metanoia]

May be the IT companies mentioned have contributed more towards process innovation rather than product innovation?

 

[Skull and Bones]

five pages of hate campaign against me just because i questioned the capability of the overall indian computer industry.

Now now, don't be a wuss and cry about online cyber bullying.

Before putting claims, you should provide proof of your contribution, this is not your typical 'chai ki dukan', where your non sense will be accepted on face value.

You had the audacity to ask about my family wealth, and went on to say my effort for PhD is just for the sake of a degree, now crying like a wet cat when people questioning your credentials?