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Those who attacked Kamra were not American, they are from among us

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Those who attacked Kamra were not American, they are from among us

Two days after Pakistan’s powerful army chief made some startling observations in his address to the Pakistan Military Academy, the militants attacked a key strategic installation — the Kamra airbase. That the attack took place on the revered night of 27th of Ramazan is not without symbolism. For the brand of ‘Islam’ practised by the militants of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) violence precedes other imperatives of faith. General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani took a bold public position in his address by saying: “Any person who believes his opinion to be the final verdict, is an extremist…. A human claim to be the final word in judging right from wrong, is tantamount to a claim to divine attributes”. The lethal by-products of our strategic ‘games’ — the TTP — are not amenable to such a worldview. In Kamra, they battled the military for more than five hours. The foreign media highlighted the nebulous connection between the airbase and the country’s nuclear assets; but both the Pakistani and American authorities later affirmed that Pakistan’s nuclear programme was safe.
Much has been said about the impending operation by the Pakistani military in North Waziristan. The attack on Kamra has been construed as a reaction to the military’s resolve to clean up North Waziristan ostensibly under mounting US pressure. But there is a need to pause and re-read what General Kayani told his colleagues on Independence Day: “The war against extremism and terrorism is not only the army’s war, but that of the whole nation. We as a nation must stand united against this threat. The army’s success is dependent on the will and support of the people”. While an admission by Pakistan’s most powerful official of the ‘threat’ is welcome on the day when we celebrate our nationhood and Islamic republic status, perhaps it might be coming a bit late in the day.
For the past decade — and this is a long-term period — our domestic policy discourse has been the opposite. While hundreds of army soldiers have been killed by militants and thousands of civilians killed in terror attacks across the country, we continue to say that this is not our war. Public opinion constructed by the vernacular press, the religious lobbies and even the political parties has been critical of the overstated threat that General Kayani has clearly articulated. Pakistan’s strategy of ‘measured’ support to the US and Nato involvement in Afghanistan and drumming up of anti-Americanism has been counterproductive. A more creative approach could have been to oppose US excesses but not deny the home-grown militant outfits and arrest their direct and indirect patronage.
A recent (local) poll, notwithstanding its methodological limitations, says that 49 per cent of Pakistanis consider America an enemy while 26 per cent think India is the enemy. Slowly, the tables have turned since we constructed our faux identity as ‘not Indian’. This healthy view of the subcontinent by Pakistanis comes as a refreshing development but creates a bigger dilemma. The global construction of US as an enemy of Muslims by al Qaeda is gaining traction especially in the urban middle classes, the youth (which are the biggest segment of our population). Where would this lead us? By no means we should continue our policy to be US’s chief lackey in the region or be dependent on the civil-military handouts, but is drumming up hysteria against a global power a wise approach in our own interest?
Such has been the level of indoctrination that many Pakistanis are unwilling to accept that Muslims can kill Muslims or that we have internal enemies. The first reaction of otherwise sensible people to a terror attack is that Blackwater and other US contractors have hired the assassins killing Pakistanis. The material evidence on the other hand negates this impression. But no one wishes to hear ‘facts’ as they challenge the ideological fortress of denial that we have built around us. The perennial fear of India has been replaced by the US machinations to destroy us by taking our nukes out. The attackers of GHQ, PNS Mehran and Kamra were not American, Indian or Israeli agents but jihadists ostensibly working in league with radical elements within the state.
Perhaps the most dangerous kind of militancy concerns the growth and consolidation of the anti-Shia extremist groups, which reportedly are in league with the TTP. A few hours after the Kamra incident, two separate incidents of killings of Shias took place. One attack happened in Naran where at least 20 Shia passengers were dragged out of buses and killed on the spot. In Quetta, on the same day, three Hazara Shias were also killed. These are not stand-alone attacks. In recent years, hundreds of Shias have been killed and the murderers remain at large, too powerful to be nabbed by the executive or the judiciary. The chilling video circulated after the Naran incident showed terrorists chanting “Shia Kafir,” as if this were a horrific bloodletting ritual. This is nothing but genocide unfolding before us. The latest Pew poll indicates that nearly half the Sunni population thinks that Shias are not Muslim. The accuracy of this poll is debatable, but even if the numbers were lower, the Wahabisation project initiated by General Ziaul Haq is now becoming an existential danger. And this radicalisation has not been imposed by anyone, despite the Saudi influence, but a cynical and disastrous choice by Pakistan’s military junta in the 1980s and later. Political parties will need another decade of hard core reform consensus to fix the education system and other drivers of extremist ideology.
Is it the case that Pakistan’s strategic assets of yore are no longer under the control of the state? Or General Kayani’s policy statement is still a top-level diplomatic pronouncement not filtering down to the ranks of intelligence agencies, which have disastrously nurtured the ****** groups and turned them into our mortal liabilities? The civilian governments — federal and provincial — appear to be clueless and devoid of the political will to counter these trends. Pakistan’s political elites will have to work together to reverse the state patronage to extremists and their networks.
If we have to resist US ‘hegemony’ or the Indian influence in the region, it will not be done through oiling the jihad industry, sloganeering, media twists, and Friday rallies. For Pakistan’s sovereignty, substantial strides have to be made. By reforming our taxation structure, creating jobs, undertaking a massive education reform and building trade ties with the regional powers we could perhaps move towards becoming a strong ‘nation’. Before everything, we need to reset the narrative and explore what ails us. In the absence of such reflection and policy debate, Pakistan’s future remains murky and uncertain.
 
It can't be true ... a muslim can't kill another muslim. It is fact.

Well, Muslims do kill other Muslims just as all other religious groups. However, Muslims usually avoid bloodshed and war during the holy month of Ramdhan especially the most respected nights such as 27th Ramadhan. Attack by anyone on such a day may safely be considered a severely un-Islamic act. Only a non Muslims or a brainwashed Muslim would commit such an act on such a respected night.
 
criminals are found in every group; those who attacked kamra are not from among "us", their actions clearly define them as criminals....they work for and represent the enemies of muslims......
 
It can't be true ... a muslim can't kill another muslim. It is fact.

the quote is misused my dear and is used without context.

the actual quote is whoever kills another human being in fact kills a generation.

the stress on a faithful killing another faithful cant be used as conversely advocating a non-believer killing. it is meant for mutual brotherhood. Both Quran and Sunnah advocates respect for human life regardless of faith. picking up Quranic references without context leads to unfair judgements.

religious extremism and misinterpretation is universal and beyond the bonds of time. When Sunni Sectarian terrorists execute the Shia's they do so with the belief that they are in fact killing a non-Believer so that Hadith of not harming another Muslim doesnt apply to them. they are not only misinterpreting and misusing the quote but they are also choosing to disregard the other universal Hadith advising the respect of all human beings regardless of faith and also disregarding the clear commandments of not harming the unarmed people and prisoners and only responding to those who pick up arms against the Muslims.

if a Muslim cant kill another Muslim quote applied the way you have suggested or how some Sectarian terrorists are claiming then there wont have been any non-believer left alive after Muslims took over Madena or conquered Mecca and so forth.

non-Muslims felt confident and safe to bring their disputes to the Muslim rulers and walked away with the verdict in their favour as well throughout that time in the early Islam which we take as an example and reference in setting up a Muslim justice and social system.

the article is very selective in its narrative about some facts and is geared towards showing a pro-American image and putting the entire blame on the locally inspired terrorists. in the modern times nothing is isolated, the amount of local and foreign input can be debated but either one of them cant be fully dismissed.

examples are so many and hard to deny, from the current Arab "Springs" in the "specific" countries "only" to support of terrorists in Iran and Pakistan. sometimes ethic drab is adapted and sometimes religion is adapted as a bases for that "inspiration encouragement".
 
Express Tribune babbling again...

Nobody ever claimed the attackers were American. The rest of the article is also boiler plate Express Tribune babble.

Well I dont even Read Tribune Articles anymore , just a waste of my Time & Brain Cells.

I hope you had not said that.
There is very little arguing about facts,
and the facts are straight in this case.

Those who attacked were not Americans , they were Pakistanis.
It does not matter, if they did it on RAW's payroll or CIA's.
The fact of the matter is, if some one is commercial enough to work for money, he would not be suicidal !

The people who provided them refuge where Pakistanis, and these terrorists operated from Pakistani territory.

The sooner we can understand facts, the sooner we can start solving this mess.
 
What is this our people who are fighting for FOOD<WATER <SHELTER< ELECTRICITY<CORRUPTION <POVERTY< LISTEN THEY DON'T USE NIGHT VISION GOGGLES AND INFRARED WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.

who trained them ??? RAW <MOSAAD< CIA in surgeons case who was running fake polio vaccine campaign <MI6
WTF is wrong with Depth perception
 
I hope you had not said that.
There is very little arguing about facts,
and the facts are straight in this case.

Those who attacked were not Americans , they were Pakistanis.
It does not matter, if they did it on RAW's payroll or CIA's.
The fact of the matter is, if some one is commercial enough to work for money, he would not be suicidal !

The people who provided them refuge where Pakistanis, and these terrorists operated from Pakistani territory.

The sooner we can understand facts, the sooner we can start solving this mess.

My Friend , i am not Denying that they were not Pakistanis , there were all of them , I know that , & i knew that even before Express Tribune knew . The reason i don't read their articles is due to the fact that they like to fill the gaps in their information with facts that does not exist jsut for teh sake of making a Article look more enjoyable to read.
 
My Friend , i am not Denying that they were not Pakistanis , there were all of them , I know that , & i knew that even before Express Tribune knew . The reason i don't read their articles is due to the fact that they like to fill the gaps in their information with facts that does not exist jsut for teh sake of making a Article look more enjoyable to read.

I don't deny your assertion.
but please don't shoot the postman because of the message.

Express Tribune carries articles written by Pakistanis, they are the liberal / mod gang, who lived their lives protected in an egg shell ...

They are still Pakistanis, and yet again manifest a short coming in our society.
 
Time to use JF17 again and raa'd cruise missile.
Best chance for JF17 in action. They came to destroy JF17, Now its jf17 turn to destroy every taliban.
 
1st cut the ROOTs of the tree that is by FCUK FAZALLULLAH 1st he is our OBL then those FCUK INDIAN COUNCILLATES WHEN "YANKS " start leaving then to surround NW <SW ORAKZAI cut CUMMUNICATION <FOOD STOCKPILES THEN CHOCK THEM UP TRY TO CONVINCE THE BRAIN WASHED ZOMBIES < LAST RESORT SEND THEM TO STONE AGE :)
GAME OVER
:)
I Hope this is what they are planning:pakistan:

No peaceful civilian first do brain washing again which antagonizes the propaganda of maulvi ,nazir hakimullah mehsud, all these rag tags ,once this doesnt work or above strategy then Last resort cut the TUMOR out :pakistan:
 
1st cut the ROOTs of the tree that is by FCUK FAZALLULLAH 1st he is our OBL then those FCUK INDIAN COUNCILLATES WHEN "YANKS " start leaving then to surround NW <SW ORAKZAI cut CUMMUNICATION <FOOD STOCKPILES THEN CHOCK THEM UP TRY TO CONVINCE THE BRAIN WASHED ZOMBIES < LAST RESORT SEND THEM TO STONE AGE :)
GAME OVER
:)
I Hope this is what they are planning:pakistan:

No peaceful civilian first do brain washing again which antagonizes the propaganda of maulvi ,nazir hakimullah mehsud, all these rag tags ,once this doesnt work or above strategy then Last resort cut the TUMOR out :pakistan:

Great, so we are on for a Latex free orgy ?

Whilst this is going on, how do you think the fundamentalist segments of society will react ?
What will the Rabid Imams start spewing in Friday surmons ?
How will people differentiate between right and wrong, and how they cope with reality ?
WHO will provide leadership and political wisdom ?
and how will external security be ensured while this is going on ?

These are just some of the questions that haunt me .... as they should haunt you and every one else.
 
Wow they are reacting when operation is in ORAKZAI going on successfully
PROPAGANDA WAR USE THE PRIVATE MEDIA INDIA IS DOING THAT SUCCESSFULLY
CONTINUOUS REINFORCEMENT in PSYCHIATRY they say jamm the FM OF these rag tags and sen signals of our ARMY,s FMs channel ,what ever
AND 1 thing very import 90% are not extremist so forget friday surmmons <5-2% we have to improvise our agenda
:pakistan:
 
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