Those Dammed Commie Muslims!

[TankMan]

Quran 47:4

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فَإِذَا لَقِيتُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا أَثْخَنتُمُوهُمْ فَشُدُّوا الْوَثَاقَ فَإِمَّا مَنًّا بَعْدُ وَإِمَّا فِدَاءً حَتَّىٰ تَضَعَ الْحَرْبُ أَوْزَارَهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ وَلَوْ يَشَاءُ اللَّهُ لَانتَصَرَ مِنْهُمْ وَلَٰكِن لِّيَبْلُوَ بَعْضَكُم بِبَعْضٍ ۗ وَالَّذِينَ قُتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَلَن يُضِلَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ

Sahih International

So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.

Muhsin Khan

So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,

Yusuf Ali

Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

The verse you quoted says: ''So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle]'' Or (depending on translation)''when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight)''. A battle or fight in the 7th Century. What do you expect them to do, massage their necks with flowers?

Besides, in Islam, all fighting is governed by these rules, which are further described by hadith:
''Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.'' [Quran 2:190]
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. [Quran 2:193]" (wrongdoers does not refer to unbelievers here, as shown by there being a 'but' after 'religion is (established to be) for God'. The Arabic would show this in a clearer way)

From the Hadith:. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)
''Fight and do not steal, do not be treacherous, do not mutilate, and do not kill children''
(Sahih Muslim 1731)

 

[Jf Thunder]

Quran 47:4

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فَإِذَا لَقِيتُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا أَثْخَنتُمُوهُمْ فَشُدُّوا الْوَثَاقَ فَإِمَّا مَنًّا بَعْدُ وَإِمَّا فِدَاءً حَتَّىٰ تَضَعَ الْحَرْبُ أَوْزَارَهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ وَلَوْ يَشَاءُ اللَّهُ لَانتَصَرَ مِنْهُمْ وَلَٰكِن لِّيَبْلُوَ بَعْضَكُم بِبَعْضٍ ۗ وَالَّذِينَ قُتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَلَن يُضِلَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ

Sahih International

So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.

Muhsin Khan

So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,

Yusuf Ali

Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

so? your translations clearly say when you meet them in battle

 

[jamahir]

It wasn't just about her. The whole channel is retarded, ignorant, provocative, sensationalist and hateful; tainting the already numb and ignorant American minds with hatred toward countries that they can't even point in a map.

Just another example...

sorry, but this video was not the best example... this program, "the young turks", from january 2012, pours outrage on a american politician without stopping to say that turkey had a big role in the nato invasions of libya and syria, and in supporting the hamas criminals in 2012 and during the infamous flotilla.

 

[TurAr]

sorry, but this video was not the best example... this program, "the young turks", from january 2012, pours outrage on a american politician without stopping to say that turkey had a big role in the nato invasions of libya and syria, and in supporting the hamas criminals in 2012 and during the infamous flotilla.

I know about the TYT and who Rick Perry is. The reason why I shared it was not about flotilla or Syria but because of the fact that here, Perry represents the dumb ignorant American stereotype and the moderator represents the Fox news. Pay attention how he manipulates and provokes Perry to give such a ridicilous, ignorant and hateful response by asking that biased question.

 

[Jaanbaz]

I stopped watching after this stupid horse referred to Pakistan as an Arab nation. These are apparently the most educated Americans, Imagine what the average chubby guy thinks about Arabs, Muslims and Pakistan.

 

[jamahir]

Perry represents the dumb ignorant American stereotype and the moderator represents the Fox news. Pay attention how he manipulates and provokes Perry to give such a ridicilous, ignorant and hateful response by asking that biased question.

that is true.

 

[TankMan]

Relevant:

 

[ashok mourya]

Read Muhsin khans version.

so? your translations clearly say when you meet them in battle

 

[TankMan]

Read Muhsin khans version.

In Jihad in Allah's cause. So? Jihad is already limited to defensive warfare and restricted by rules of combat, by the Quran.

Besides, in Islam, all fighting is governed by these rules, which are further described by hadith:
''Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.'' [Quran 2:190]
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. [Quran 2:193]" (wrongdoers does not refer to unbelievers here, as shown by there being a 'but' after 'religion is (established to be) for God'. The Arabic would show this in a clearer way)

From the Hadith:. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)
''Fight and do not steal, do not be treacherous, do not mutilate, and do not kill children''
(Sahih Muslim 1731)

How about you answer my post (quoted above) first before spreading BS from anti-Islam sites?

 

[tranquilium]

Pakistanis are Arabs... wow!



I highly doubt that considering she thinks Pakistanis are Arabs...

We have a saying in China, it is called the butt determines the head. Basically, people can be intelligent, but they will say exceptionally dumb things because its their interest. Specifically, the little video segment is actually aimed at Obama rather than any particular foreign target. That's pretty much US media for you, they will say anything they want and make up the most ridicules argument just because it suits their political interest.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Read Muhsin khans version.

dude, learn Arabic and then you will learn the true version

 

[ashok mourya]

dude, learn Arabic and then you will learn the true version

Different schools have different interpretation of quran.
Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jf Thunder]

Different schools have different interpretation of quran.
Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there in lies the problem

 

[rubyjackass]

Critic: What is your opinion on Shia?
Islamist: They are heretics. They do not represent the true Islam.
Critic: What do you think of Wahabis ?
Islamist: False Muslims. Their actions and teachings do not represent true Islam
Critic: What do you think of Taliban?
Islamist: False Muslims. They do not represent Islam.
Critic: What do you think of the Muslim Brotherhood ?
Islamist: Also false Muslims. They do not represent Islam.
Critic: How about ISIS and its actions in Syria?
Islamist: They are not true Muslims either. Their actions go against Islam
Critic: What do you think of those suicide bombers who blow themselves up in the name of Islam ?
Islamist: They do not represent the teachingsof Islam.
Critic: Why are most Islamic countries backward in regards to science and technology and progress ?
Islamist: Because Muslims do not understand Islam properly and do not follow its teachings. Also, they follow leaders and rulers and sheikhs who are false Muslims and do not apply Islam properly.
Critic: What of the problems of forced marriages, child marriages, lashing, whipping, beating, stoning,enforcing the veil, executions for apostasy and blasphemy prevalent in some Islamic communities ?
Islamist: Those actions are not from Islam, and those who do them are not true Muslims.
Critic: What do you say of the hadiths that advocate and support execution for apostasy and fighting non-believers ? and what about the numerous tafsirs and sources written by Muslim scholars (including those who established the major Islamic schools of jurisprudence) that confirm those, and clearly state that the earlier peaceful verses were abrogated later on by more violent ones?
Islamist: They are all false. They're not truly from Islam, and those scholars who wrote this have misunderstood what the real teachings of Islam
Critic: Well, how many Muslims are there ?
Muslim: Allahu Akbar!! Islam is the fastest growing and most widespread religion in the world. We are the Ummah of more than 1.7 billion followers. Allahu Akbar!!

One of the best posts summarizing the apologist narrative. :

 

[gambit]

It only proves the dumb obese American stereotype has some truth in it.

Dumb news with dumb commentaries by dumb people for dumb people.

I have been to your country when I was active duty, pal. From the news today, looks like TR ain't changed much when it comes to 'dumb people'.