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This was how they got the figures of One million Uyghurs Incarceration in China?

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If there's nothing going on in Xinjiang then why is china is refusing access to international observers? We all know why nobody is this stupid. Not even you.
China can make similar claims against US and demand going to US to investigate, do you think US will allow? it's a matter of a nation's sovereinty, US makes a lot of claims, such as WMD in Iraq, the purpose of those wild claims is to kill or at least weaken those country who don't do US biddings.

Citation needed plz
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-backing-chinas-xinjiang-policy-idUSKCN1U721X
 
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Well if it was up to Trump he'd say 1 million was too low. I'm sure he'd like to lock up far more than 1 million minority Americans.

Luckily for those minorities he can't do that with our type of government. For those minorities in other countries...well they aren't so lucky.
African American: I can't breathe
American Indian: My ancestor died so badly
 
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China can make similar claims against US and demand going to US to investigate, do you think US will allow? it's a matter of a nation's sovereinty, US makes a lot of claims, such as WMD in Iraq, the purpose of those wild claims is to kill or at least weaken those country who don't do US biddings.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-backing-chinas-xinjiang-policy-idUSKCN1U721X
Except the US ain't accused of committing genocide.

The reason china can't accuse everyone is because there's no evidence meanwhile there's more than enough evidences to accuse china of genocide.

There's also 2 dozens country not supporting China's action in Xinjiang so what? It doesn't absolve china of any wrong doing. Even you admit it.

Also maybe the reason the US are constantly on your country case is because of something like this keeps happening.
 
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Except the US ain't accused of committing genocide.
Biggest joke ever, if there is still one country can be really accused of committing genocide, that'll be US.

There's also 2 dozens country not supporting China's action in Xinjiang so what? It doesn't absolve china of any wrong doing. Even you admit it.
China has more countries supporting her over Xinjiang than those who are against us, those support us are mostly Muslim countries, and not even on, not even one Muslim country supports US and the west over Xinjiang, this can explain evertything.

Also maybe the reason the US are constantly on your country case is because of something like this keeps happening.
How come US rarely mentions Palestine, Kashmir and Israel..., so there must be nothing happening in those regions, right?
 
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Biggest joke ever, if there is still one country can be really accused of committing genocide, that'll be US.


China has more countries supporting her over Xinjiang than those who are against us, those support us are mostly Muslim countries, and not even on, not even one Muslim country supports US and the west over Xinjiang, this can explain evertything.


How come US rarely mentions Palestine, Kashmir and Israel..., so there must be nothing happening in those regions, right?
Whataboutism? Grow up.

What the hell does Muslim country have to do with anything. You think Muslim country have the magical power to absolves china of the bad thing she did? China commits genocide on the uighur pure & simple even you admitted it.

India & Israel still got shafted by the international community over it. Try again.
 
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What the hell does Muslim country have to do with anything.
It means US and the west are lying and no one buys their lies.

China commits genocide on the uighur pure & simple even you admitted it.
Tell me one single person, just one is enough, died from this "genocide", the world never saw any genocides having zero death.

The single funniest thing is that the western media can have "reliable sources" telling them Xinjiang genocide, 3 million people incarceration, organ harvesting, China sending officials to sleep with Uighur women, but.... they can't come up with just one name from those "reliable sources" who died from this genocide, not even one name.


India & Israel still got shafted by the international community over it. Try again.
You said US keeps attacking China over Xinjiang is because crimes are really happening there so often, so , by your logic, US rarely mentions Palestine, Kashmir and Israel... meaning nothing happening there , right?
 
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It means US and the west are lying and no one buys their lies.


Tell me one single person, just one is enough, died from this "genocide", the world never saw any genocides having zero death.

The single funniest thing is that the western media can have "reliable sources" telling them Xinjiang genocide, 3 million people incarceration, organ harvesting, China sending officials to sleep with Uighur women, but.... they can't come up with just one name from those "reliable sources" who died from this genocide, not even one name.



You said US keeps attacking China over Xinjiang is because crimes are really happening there so often, so , by your logic, US rarely mentions Palestine, Kashmir and Israel... meaning nothing happening there , right?

But China never lie. Again what is it with this line of thinking?

If everything from the west is fake news how come china is real news. Are they both fake news or only one of them fake news. Which is it?
 
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But China never lie. Again what is it with this line of thinking?
Don't be naive, every country lies, politics is never a honest business.

If everything from the west is fake news how come china is real news. Are they both fake news or only one of them fake news. Which is it?
The western media targets China for smearing propaganda, everyone with a normal IQ can see it.

I just gave you the name you twat. Look up.
What name, a random name I can give you as many as you want.
 
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Then explain why is there such a global concerns & outcry for the uighur if there's nothing there? The US Senate even unanimously agree on something for once to sanction Chinese officials over this.

Most here already agreed that there's forced sterilization going around which still classified as genocide. So why can't you see that?

If there's nothing going on in Xinjiang then why is china is refusing access to international observers? We all know why nobody is this stupid. Not even you.

It's not global. It is Western countries + Japan. Republicans and Democrats might bicker over domestic issues but both parties are in agreement when it comes to foreign policy.

Most people thought the world was flat centuries ago. Did that make it true? If there's so much agreement over something, I wonder why it is so difficult for these people to present credible evidence.

China invited EU diplomats to visit Xinjiang and the EU declined. China invited diplomats from Muslim majority countries to visit and they did. The BBC literally went into one of those "camps" and did a report. What is your definition of international observers?
 
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It's not global. It is Western countries + Japan. Republicans and Democrats might bicker over domestic issues but both parties are in agreement when it comes to foreign policy.

Most people thought the world was flat centuries ago. Did that make it true? If there's so much agreement over something, I wonder why it is so difficult for these people to present credible evidence.

China invited EU diplomats to visit Xinjiang and the EU declined. China invited diplomats from Muslim majority countries to visit and they did. The BBC literally went into one of those "camps" and did a report. What is your definition of international observers?

Most people centuries ago thought the world was round. Saying that most people people believed that the world was flat was a myth. Also topical answer considering that flat earther is a thing. Just like Chinese not believing in the uighur being oppressed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

They refused because they were not given unfettered access.
 
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Don't be naive, every country lies, politics is never a honest business.


The western media targets China for smearing propaganda, everyone with a normal IQ can see it.


What name, a random name I can give you as many as you want.
That's just your persecution complex talking mate. If China keep quiet & slow down on the genocide none of this would have made news.

That's because China murder-disappeared so many uighur a single name doesn't matter at all.
 
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That's because China murder-disappeared so many uighur a single name doesn't matter at all.
lol, still can't even provide a single name that was killed from you so called genocide.

Birth control? see how many kids average Uighur families have, you'll never see such a sight of Han family

A mother with her 4 chilren are on a Urumqi subway train and the youngest kid drops some naan crumbs on the train floor, the mother takes time carefully cleaning the floor and in the end the oldest kid learns from her mother and wipes the seats clean from naan crumbs. Power of a good example especially from parents.
 
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You said US keeps attacking China over Xinjiang is because crimes are really happening there so often, so , by your logic, US rarely mentions Palestine, Kashmir and Israel... meaning nothing happening there , right?

Each of these we have people in the political system and hierarchy, well known names and families....that speak up about the human rights and issues of their people and over-action and even evil by the state's forces in the area.

Kashmir case for example I can name you a dozen or so big names.... want me to? They continually and openly criticize Indian security forces measures and actions....and bring all manner of cases to Indian court system. This is the underlying reason there never was and never will be mass scale incarceration and "re-education" and stripping of basic culture in Indian Kashmir.

This is the fundamental reason I and many other Indians here will also say there have been and continue to be grievous human rights situation inside Kashmir come about from one end by the national and state apparatus policy...that there is context, but also a better objective and result to achieve....and it is very very imperfect right now.

Will any (PRC) Chinese member here do likewise? You tell me. You just clam up.... into hands over ear mode and go"lalalala" "can't hear you"... if you are not busy shouting red book of the day quotes over it.....over and over.

After all name me one, just one uighur allowed the same in China? Much less one inside the CCP "political system".

Understand this is the basic basic difference in credibility on these issues. They are systematic...they are deep, they are intrinsic now this far downstream from original conception and aegis.

You have to understand that no one that has basic sound intelligence outside China.... takes anything the CCP asserts credibly on just about anything ....not without having the other side of the story presented credibly by those facing and experiencing it on ground....and large enough persistent, credible and organised voices of their to present it.

Definitely we cannot give even one benefit of the doubt to CCP ....not with this level of opaqueness, obfuscation and shielding CCP runs on this matter....and not with the CCP own history in its own country in the past on multiple matters of even far larger scale.

Simply the case is CCP is monolith with uni-dimensional account....and naturally intelligent people on other hand know (by real life experience) monolith accounts are fundamentally faulty. What of this is hard to understand for you? i.e the basic difference between democracy and a totalitarian state? Tell me one major check and balance (with real example to credit to it) that lies outside of CCP party control in China....name me just one.

Not many in this forum know what China is and what CCP/PRC is....what the difference really is. It is all made quite clear when you have to deal with official govt thugs from CCP/PRC face to face..their attitude and mannerisms (contrasted to that part of China where CCP has no scope and presence)...at various duration of time and bristling intensity....but you also know what the larger China is past that in time and space...studied it, grounded in it from its own multi-perspective it once had within it at notable scale...and lived at length in a long formative time around majority chinese populations to permeate it within the mind, heart and soul.

Not many non-chinese get that experience...they don't know of it....but I do. CCP is engaging in much evil, it is not learning...it is only getting emboldened...I don't know how else to put it....I don't think it can be put another way increasingly. It seems to think whole of China is its birthright...and its alone. I fear and am saddened for the larger China....and can only hope it stays above the CCP, sees the CCP through... and not lose too much to it....if it hasn't already.

A great Civilisation that once developed and enshrined the concept of Yin and Yang.....now having a bunch of power hungry thugs and cabals asserting a total stark monolith of "might = right" in every discipline of national ethos.... tragic.

@Joe Shearer @T-123456 @VCheng @Nike @Indos @xenon54 @Krptonite @Reashot Xigwin @saiyan0321 @Hamartia Antidote @Vergennes @Gomig-21 @dbc @gambit
 
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Each of these we have people in the political system and hierarchy, well known names and families....that speak up about the human rights and issues of their people and over-action and even evil by the state's forces in the area.

Kashmir case for example I can name you a dozen or so big names.... want me to? They continually and openly criticize Indian security forces measures and actions....and bring all manner of cases to Indian court system. This is the underlying reason there never was and never will be mass scale incarceration and "re-education" and stripping of basic culture in Indian Kashmir.

This is the fundamental reason I and many other Indians here will also say there have been and continue to be grievous human rights situation inside Kashmir come about from one end by the national and state apparatus policy...that there is context, but also a better objective and result to achieve....and it is very very imperfect right now.

Will any (PRC) Chinese member here do likewise? You tell me. You just clam up.... into hands over ear mode and go"lalalala" "can't hear you"... if you are not busy shouting red book of the day quotes over it.....over and over.

After all name me one, just one uighur allowed the same in China? Much less one inside the CCP "political system".

Understand this is the basic basic difference in credibility on these issues. They are systematic...they are deep, they are intrinsic now this far downstream from original conception and aegis.

You have to understand that no one that has basic sound intelligence outside China.... takes anything the CCP asserts credibly on just about anything ....not without having the other side of the story presented credibly by those facing and experiencing it on ground....and large enough persistent, credible and organised voices of their to present it.

Definitely we cannot give even one benefit of the doubt to CCP ....not with this level of opaqueness, obfuscation and shielding CCP runs on this matter....and not with the CCP own history in its own country in the past on multiple matters of even far larger scale.

Simply the case is CCP is monolith with uni-dimensional account....and naturally intelligent people on other hand know (by real life experience) monolith accounts are fundamentally faulty. What of this is hard to understand for you? i.e the basic difference between democracy and a totalitarian state? Tell me one major check and balance (with real example to credit to it) that lies outside of CCP party control in China....name me just one.

Not many in this forum know what China is and what CCP/PRC is....what the difference really is. It is all made quite clear when you have to deal with official govt thugs from CCP/PRC face to face..their attitude and mannerisms (contrasted to that part of China where CCP has no scope and presence)...at various duration of time and bristling intensity....but you also know what the larger China is past that in time and space...studied it, grounded in it from its own multi-perspective it once had within it at notable scale...and lived at length in a long formative time around majority chinese populations to permeate it within the mind, heart and soul.

Not many non-chinese get that experience...they don't know of it....but I do. CCP is engaging in much evil, it is not learning...it is only getting emboldened...I don't know how else to put it....I don't think it can be put another way increasingly. It seems to think whole of China is its birthright...and its alone. I fear and am saddened for the larger China....and can only hope it stays above the CCP, sees the CCP through... and not lose too much to it....if it hasn't already.

A great Civilisation that once developed and enshrined the concept of Yin and Yang.....now having a bunch of power hungry thugs and cabals asserting a total stark monolith of "might = right" in every discipline of national ethos.... tragic.

@Joe Shearer @T-123456 @VCheng @Nike @Indos @xenon54 @Krptonite @Reashot Xigwin @saiyan0321 @Hamartia Antidote @Vergennes @Gomig-21 @dbc @gambit

The current China was so different from the past, even the era of Jiang Ze Min and Hu Jin Tao is very different in attitude and problem solving with the current era of Xi Jin Ping government in which largely being ruled by Hawkish led and lean toward Imperialist attitude from many aspect. In the past they will trying to sort out any problem resurface one by one and suppressing the possibility to create more problems by any means (internal and external).
 
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