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This was how they got the figures of One million Uyghurs Incarceration in China?

It seems that you really need to learn more about China before making funny comments. You can't even tell Baidu and Beidou apart, this is kindergarten knowledge in China.
You're right, I erred between Baidu and beidou, my apologies. Thank you for the correction.

On topic then, Is your Baidu functioning properly? You haven't responded to any of my queries or understood what was being conveyed.
 
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It seems that you really need to learn more about China before making funny comments. You can't even tell Baidu and Beidou apart, this is kindergarten knowledge in China.

And you must read what you write before you post.

Do you expect this to be kindergarten knowledge outside CHina?

Oh, wait, you do, don't you? And then wonder why nobody understands you.
 
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LOL, nobody understands me, good, why you keep quoting me then, weird.
Why dance around, can you please respond to my queries in post #145 or if you're not willing to can you atleast confirm it. You keep responding with nonsensical posts irrelevant to the points you yourself raised.
 
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Why dance around, can you please respond to my queries in post #145 or if you're not willing to can you atleast confirm it. You keep responding with nonsensical posts irrelevant to the points you yourself raised.
6 countries have overlapping claims in SCS, every country can sail ships there, it's open water, do you expect Vietnamese navy opens fire on US navy or Chinese navy just because US ships sail in their claimed territorial water?
 
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6 countries have overlapping claims in SCS, every country can sail ships there, it's open water, do you expect Vietnamese navy opens fire on US navy or Chinese navy just because US ships sail in their claimed territorial water?
Help me differentiate please.

On one side of the border wherein both(India and China) have overlapping claims, an intrusion caused 20 confirmed deaths.

On the other side in the SCS, your primary opponent is stronger than you. You claim and try to enforce said claim in almost the entire region( the only country in the world to do so in contravention of global navigational norms) and referenced that if China wasn't interested in peace it would've changed the geographical political realities.

On one hand a bloody response to percieved transgressors and on the other angry pleads to leave, you're claiming hesitation as a virtue. Strength towards those who are percieved weak vs. display of righteousness towards those who are percieved stronger.

I'm asking, why the discrepancy?
 
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On the other side in the SCS, your primary opponent is stronger than you. You claim almost the entire region( the only country in the world to do so in contravention of global navigational norms) and reference that if China wasn't interested in peace it would've changed the geographical political realities.
6 countries have overlapping claim in SCS, Taiwan's claim is same as PR China, and it's open water which all countries guarantee free navigation.Taiwan occupies the biggest island there, Vietnam occupies the most islands, if anything, US will first clash with them in SCS cause they have larger physical presence in SCS.

Taiping island , the largest in Spratly islands, administered by Republic of China (Taiwan).

2016-03-23t120344z_384648133_gf10000357141_rtrmadp_3_southchinasea-taiwan.jpg
 
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Each of these we have people in the political system and hierarchy, well known names and families....that speak up about the human rights and issues of their people and over-action and even evil by the state's forces in the area.

Kashmir case for example I can name you a dozen or so big names.... want me to? They continually and openly criticize Indian security forces measures and actions....and bring all manner of cases to Indian court system. This is the underlying reason there never was and never will be mass scale incarceration and "re-education" and stripping of basic culture in Indian Kashmir.

This is the fundamental reason I and many other Indians here will also say there have been and continue to be grievous human rights situation inside Kashmir come about from one end by the national and state apparatus policy...that there is context, but also a better objective and result to achieve....and it is very very imperfect right now.

Will any (PRC) Chinese member here do likewise? You tell me. You just clam up.... into hands over ear mode and go"lalalala" "can't hear you"... if you are not busy shouting red book of the day quotes over it.....over and over.

After all name me one, just one uighur allowed the same in China? Much less one inside the CCP "political system".

Understand this is the basic basic difference in credibility on these issues. They are systematic...they are deep, they are intrinsic now this far downstream from original conception and aegis.

You have to understand that no one that has basic sound intelligence outside China.... takes anything the CCP asserts credibly on just about anything ....not without having the other side of the story presented credibly by those facing and experiencing it on ground....and large enough persistent, credible and organised voices of their to present it.

Definitely we cannot give even one benefit of the doubt to CCP ....not with this level of opaqueness, obfuscation and shielding CCP runs on this matter....and not with the CCP own history in its own country in the past on multiple matters of even far larger scale.

Simply the case is CCP is monolith with uni-dimensional account....and naturally intelligent people on other hand know (by real life experience) monolith accounts are fundamentally faulty. What of this is hard to understand for you? i.e the basic difference between democracy and a totalitarian state? Tell me one major check and balance (with real example to credit to it) that lies outside of CCP party control in China....name me just one.

Not many in this forum know what China is and what CCP/PRC is....what the difference really is. It is all made quite clear when you have to deal with official govt thugs from CCP/PRC face to face..their attitude and mannerisms (contrasted to that part of China where CCP has no scope and presence)...at various duration of time and bristling intensity....but you also know what the larger China is past that in time and space...studied it, grounded in it from its own multi-perspective it once had within it at notable scale...and lived at length in a long formative time around majority chinese populations to permeate it within the mind, heart and soul.

Not many non-chinese get that experience...they don't know of it....but I do. CCP is engaging in much evil, it is not learning...it is only getting emboldened...I don't know how else to put it....I don't think it can be put another way increasingly. It seems to think whole of China is its birthright...and its alone. I fear and am saddened for the larger China....and can only hope it stays above the CCP, sees the CCP through... and not lose too much to it....if it hasn't already.

A great Civilisation that once developed and enshrined the concept of Yin and Yang.....now having a bunch of power hungry thugs and cabals asserting a total stark monolith of "might = right" in every discipline of national ethos.... tragic.

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Well said. I wonder when would (or could) conditions become ripe for a Chinese Gorbachev to rise and open up the old power structures?
 
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Most people centuries ago thought the world was round. Saying that most people people believed that the world was flat was a myth. Also topical answer considering that flat earther is a thing. Just like Chinese not believing in the uighur being oppressed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

They refused because they were not given unfettered access.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You did this multiple times already. You provide a link that does not support what you are claiming. Most scholars and educated people knew the world wasn't flat. Do you think during a time when the majority of the human population were subsistence farmers, most people were scholars or educated people? And this isn't even the point. The point is just because most people believe something to be true doesn't make it true. You actually need evidence.

Is this your opinion or did the Delegation of the EU representing 28 European powers state this? From what I've read, they simply wanted more time and planning before visiting. They are still open to the idea.
 
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You did this multiple times already. You provide a link that does not support what you are claiming. Most scholars and educated people knew the world wasn't flat. Do you think during a time when the majority of the human population were subsistence farmers, most people were scholars or educated people? And this isn't even the point. The point is just because most people believe something to be true doesn't make it true. You actually need evidence.

Is this your opinion or did the Delegation of the EU representing 28 European powers state this? From what I've read, they simply wanted more time and planning before visiting. They are still open to the idea.

You're just being pedantic right now. Just because most Chinese don't believe in uighur being oppressed doesn't mean it's true. The evidences have been cited, quoted topped with testimony from all sides plastered all over the news. With some member states in the UN wanting a resolution & some countries even sanctioning china over it. So unless those countries are just doing it for the lulz or china is lying to its teeth.

What makes the Chinese any different to flat earthers at this rate?
 
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6 countries have overlapping claim in SCS, Taiwan's claim is same as PR China, and it's open water which all countries guarantee free navigation.Taiwan occupies the biggest island there, Vietnam occupies the most islands, if anything, US will first clash with them in SCS cause they have larger physical presence in SCS.

Taiping island , the largest in Spratly islands, administered by Republic of China (Taiwan).

2016-03-23t120344z_384648133_gf10000357141_rtrmadp_3_southchinasea-taiwan.jpg

The Taiping is the Island of Vietnam from long time ago in the past (with name Ba Binh). Our history book stated:

""Setting up a temple [on the island] Hoang Sa in Quang Ngai. Hoang Sa in Quang Ngai waters, there is a place with white sand dunes, um trees, between sand dunes with a well, in the southwest there is an ancient temple. the four-letter inscription "Van Ba Ba Binh 萬里 Bạch 平" started by us (Bach Sa dune [white sand] with the circumference of 1070 cadets, the former name is Mount Buddhist Temple, the east, west and south coasts are all coral reefs gently curling around the water surface. To the north, bordered by a dune full of coral rocks, rising to the circumference of 340 trượng, 1 trượng 3 meters high, on par with the sand dune, called Ban Than Thach) Last year the king attempted to erect a temple to erect a stele on the spot. That, suddenly because of the wind and waves could not do it.Only here, the new commander of the army, Pham Van Nguyen, took the Giam soldiers and boatmen in Quang Ngai and Binh Dinh provinces, transported materials to erect the temple (the temple building was 7 trượng neck.) On the left side of the temple is erected stone stele; in front of the temple is a screen."


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