This is what War On Terror has brought to us

[kugga]

ZhengHe...I tend to disagree with you, the mess came from middle east in the first place in form of funds and terrorists. The mess Pakistan is in is all contributed by Wahabis and Gulf nations.

and America was behind all those wahabi nations.. even now Saudi Arabian oil and policies are controlled by Americans... All the mess is basically created by America who wants to control the world by power..

 

[Patriot]

It's all terrorists fault.They thought they could bring down America by blowing up few airlines on 9/11.Well now America has lit up ***** of terrorists with JDAM's.Now pay the price.Arrogant bastards and the sad thing is many muslims support these terrorists and think they have the capability to bring down America.I mean look people complain about Drone Attacks in Pakistan well when you go to Afghanistan and fitght against NATO don't think you'll get sweats in return.You'll get your ***** lit up by drones and rightfully so.

 

[kugga]

It's all terrorists fault.They thought they could bring down America by blowing up few airlines on 9/11.Well now America has lit up ***** of terrorists with JDAM's.Now pay the price.Arrogant bastards and the sad thing is many muslims support these terrorists and think they have the capability to bring down America.I mean look people complain about Drone Attacks in Pakistan well when you go to Afghanistan and fitght against NATO don't think you'll get sweats in return.You'll get your ***** lit up by drones and rightfully so.

So damn wrong you are.... The drones are killing innocent people women and children in pakistan... go and see the protests that have been carried out by the afectees of these drone attacks... how can you justify killing of innocents... The Americans have setup such an environment that in any case Pakistanis and Muslims are being killed whether through drone attacks or through bomb blasts in settled areas of pakistan.....
We are suffering not the Americans...

 

[DV RULES]

If you like then check please these links(posts on Afghan war topics and related)

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...-stories-lost-era-zaid-hamid.html#post1434579


http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...er-gen-akhtar-abdul-rahman-2.html#post1426838

 

[Jigs]

So damn wrong you are.... The drones are killing innocent people women and children in pakistan... go and see the protests that have been carried out by the afectees of these drone attacks... how can you justify killing of innocents...

No one is justifying killing innocents but if you truly believe civilian casualties in war are not going to happen that is just ignorance. Civilians will die and this obviously is far less then previous conflicts but it will still occur. The U.S. tries to minimize it but they are not going to compromise the whole mission for it. Plus they have nothing to gain from upsetting the locals as it fuels the enemy they are fighting.

The Americans have setup such an environment that in any case Pakistanis and Muslims are being killed whether through drone attacks or through bomb blasts in settled areas of pakistan.....
We are suffering not the Americans...

Again not true. U.S. is fighting two wars and have had many casualties. (Also many cases of friendly fire) The U.S. also has no access to Pakistan besides drone strikes. Once the terror orgs in FATA are gone they will obviously end.

The terrorists are going to be eliminated and the U.S. isn't going to leave till they are incapable of formulating anything against the U.S.

 

[LeGenD]

So damn wrong you are.... The drones are killing innocent people women and children in pakistan... go and see the protests that have been carried out by the afectees of these drone attacks... how can you justify killing of innocents... The Americans have setup such an environment that in any case Pakistanis and Muslims are being killed whether through drone attacks or through bomb blasts in settled areas of pakistan.....
We are suffering not the Americans...

Terrorists are cowards and mostly hide in civilian areas. They know that civilian casualties would be unavoidable in populated regions. This would help their cause because pressure will mount against their hunters. And wrong intel can also lead to tragedies.

 

[kugga]

No one is justifying killing innocents but if you truly believe civilian casualties in war are not going to happen that is just ignorance. Civilians will die and this obviously is far less then previous conflicts but it will still occur. The U.S. tries to minimize it but they are not going to compromise the whole mission for it. Plus they have nothing to gain from upsetting the locals as it fuels the enemy they are fighting.

Ohh... they are trying to minimise it... So even if I agree to you then why only Pakistanis and Afghanis and Iraqis civilians are being killed I mean there should be america's civilian casualities as well coz after all it's there war.. they started it and imposed it on us... Now the only party remained suffering is us Muslims all around the world

Again not true. U.S. is fighting two wars and have had many casualties. (Also many cases of friendly fire) The U.S. also has no access to Pakistan besides drone strikes. Once the terror orgs in FATA are gone they will obviously end.

The terrorists are going to be eliminated and the U.S. isn't going to leave till they are incapable of formulating anything against the U.S.

So you mean the US will continue breaking us apart untill they are succeeded in their mission.. Why not they staty in their own homeland and let us stay here... We will fight them our self we don't need drone attacks to suuport us (the so called support) we don't want them to take our people to their land and torture them just because they are muslims or pakistanis or fundamentalist....

 

[kugga]

Terrorists are cowards and mostly hide in civilian areas. They know that civilian casualties would be unavoidable in populated regions. This would help their cause because pressure will mount against their hunters. And wrong intel can also lead to tragedies.

and where were all these before America's invasion of Afghanistan ?? They brought terroirst with themselves they caused us to suffer from all these bomb blasts.... before Americas invaion there were no terrorist attacks in pakistan, no casualities but after that........

 

[Jigs]

Ohh... they are trying to minimise it... So even if I agree to you then why only Pakistanis and Afghanis and Iraqis civilians are being killed I mean there should be america's civilian casualities as well coz after all it's there war.. they started it and imposed it on us... Now the only party remained suffering is us Muslims all around the world

Well the reason why Pakistanis and Afghanis and Iraqis are being killed is because that is where the war against the terrorists take place and in war civilian casualties will happen. That is where terrorists operate (Besides Iraq that had to do with bush policy though a terror insurgency was formed in the country and later defeated)

Also the U.S. didn't start the war AQ did. They also did it under a very conservative government. War was going to happen at that point. Lets be honest no one is going to carry out an attack like that on a superpower and expect the country to not do anything.

So you mean the US will continue breaking us apart untill they are succeeded in their mission.. Why not they staty in their own homeland and let us stay here... We will fight them our self we don't need drone attacks to suuport us (the so called support) we don't want them to take our people to their land and torture them just because they are muslims or pakistanis or fundamentalist....

Their mission is to shutdown the terrorist orgs in FATA Now if Pakistan wants to speed that up obviously the Americans are going to welcome it. However Pakistan has made it clear they do not have sufficient funds and the necessary force to stage a operation in NW as of yet and need time(they also asked for more arms and funds) Which the U.S. may or may not fully grant. The U.S. in turn have stepped up drone strikes in those areas. Just so we are on the same page the Pakistan army and more so the ISI is fully aware of when and how these drone attacks happen and passively support them. They do, and for good reason, want to distance themselves from the strikes because of the public outcry against them and their association with it would end up with them losing support. Make no mistake they support the strikes.

 

[LeGenD]

and where were all these before America's invasion of Afghanistan ?? They brought terroirst with themselves they caused us to suffer from all these bomb blasts.... before Americas invaion there were no terrorist attacks in pakistan, no casualities but after that........

We tried to convince Taliban to hand over OBL. They didn't listen and war came to our western borders. Now whom would you blame?

Real tragedy is that (us) muslims are not willing to cooperate with each other even during unfavorable times.

Well the reason why Pakistanis and Afghanis and Iraqis are being killed is because that is where the war against the terrorists take place and in war civilian casualties will happen. That is where terrorists operate (Besides Iraq that had to do with bush policy though a terror insurgency was formed in the country and later defeated)

You guys cannot justify Iraq war.

 

[kugga]

We tried to convince Taliban to hand over OBL. They didn't listen and war came to our western borders. Now whom would you blame?

Real tragedy is that we muslims are not willing to cooperate with each other during unfavorable times.

Pakistan never asked for OBL and I have heared a lecture of taliban time minister and he said they asked for proofs against OBL but America was unable to... instead they invaded Afghanistan

 

[Jigs]

We tried to convince Taliban to hand over OBL. They didn't listen and war came to our western borders. Now whom would you blame?

Real tragedy is that (us) muslims are not willing to cooperate with each other even during unfavorable times.


You guys cannot justify Iraq war.

Even the current U.S. administration doesn't justify the war which is why combat operations ended in Iraq and most troops were pulled out. However both Republicans and Democrats are in full support of the Afghanistan conflict and stopping Islamic terrorism. Even bush himself said and i quote "[my] biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq" so no one at this point is justifying the war in Iraq besides ultra patriots who believe it was worth it to remove a dictator that posed no threat to anyone besides his people.

 

[Ahmad]

Pakistan never asked for OBL and I have heared a lecture of taliban time minister and he said they asked for proofs against OBL but America was unable to... instead they invaded Afghanistan

If they cared for Afghanistan, they would have given Laden to Americans. But the turth is, the taliban themselves have killed/are killing enough people more than anybody else, why should they care.

 

[roadrunner]

As an Afghan, Ahmad, you should know better than anyone the Pashtun traditions. Being a Tajik is no excuse to not know these traditions.

 

[LeGenD]

Pakistan never asked for OBL and I have heared a lecture of taliban time minister and he said they asked for proofs against OBL but America was unable to... instead they invaded Afghanistan

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