This is no Nato game but Pakistan's proxy war with its brother in the south

[javaman]

The stage is now open for a deal whereby India could agree to minimise its presence in Afghanistan – which it could accept as Pakistan's sphere of influence – in return for Pakistan withdrawing its longstanding sponsorship of the Kashmir jihad, which it could accept as India's domain. To satisfy Nato, an undertaking by Pakistan to drive al-Qaida from the region would also need to be included.


this is very much true,india will take his hands back frm baluchistan(i saw an video in which pak journalist was talking abt this).he was saying india has hand in baluchistan,pak will have to pay something 4 this as india is not under pressure.this is just give and take.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Very correct strategy. you know this is just a repeat telecast of what happened in punjab in 80s. Pakistanis funded terrorism in punjab and ultimately in response to that RAW (allegedly) organised secterian bloody clashes in karachi and sindh.

The pakistanis were so much taken aback that they agreed to end supporting khalistan terrorism in return of India halting the same in karachi.

Indias no mercy policy viz a viz pakistan is what will eventually turn out to be the game changer and gurantee of advancement of Indian startegic interets in the region.

I believe Persuading Pakistan to end its position on Kashmir was the prime objective why India indulged so much into the Afghan sphere even the support by RAW for BLA can be viewed in this context.But apparently it seems things are now out of Indian hands. But i guess the coming days will tell weather india is prepared to fight it off in afghanistan or simply go down in peace. There are some strong arguments which favour both paths.

The historic enemity suggests india aint gona let it go that easily as it looks and might fuel a civil war in afghanistan by supporting its northere allighance assets which are currently debunked or are in a similar process and hence would try to contour any Pakistani effort in afghanistan just to buy some time as that will be bound to fail .

On the contrary It may be the interest of Nato to strengthen the Afghan National institutions and debunk any efforts of destabilization in afghanistan as the state of anarchy would pave way for AlQaida(which taliban would eventually abandon) to resume its activities from here.And hence they will put down any such efforts.

I personally believe in the former one as theres always something cooking btw India and Pakistan .I may be wrong as times have change and perhaps Indian attitude towards Pakistan might change in the light of economic interest which this whole "Stabilized Region" has to offer India..!

 

[IRA]

well, as far as the suggested "opportunity of give & take" is concerned, it is nothing but BS and a waste of time.

while the indians have been sent packing from Afghanistan, Pakistan will not and simply cannot abandon the support of her Kashmiri brethren. They are fighting an over 700,000 troop strong military, for the right of self-determination. And eventually india will have to give up to Kashmiris' demand of plebicite, if she is ever to prosper and make a mark on the international arena.

 

[javaman]

well, as far as the suggested "opportunity of give & take" is concerned, it is nothing but BS and a waste of time.

while the indians have been sent packing from Afghanistan, Pakistan will not and simply cannot abandon the support of her Kashmiri brethren. They are fighting an over 700,000 troop strong military, for the right of self-determination. And eventually india will have to give up to Kashmiris' demand of plebicite, if she is ever to prosper and make a mark on the international arena.

well, as far as the suggested "opportunity of give & take" is concerned, it is nothing but BS and a waste of time.

this is the only thing left,india has nothing too loose.but pak have a lot at stake.

while the indians have been sent packing from Afghanistan

india have already told,they will work there .and u.s will also stay there.if u.s is not going,how india would goand how pak will pack indian bags.

Pakistan will not and simply cannot abandon the support of her Kashmiri brethren. They are fighting an over 700,000 troop strong military, for the right of self-determination. And eventually india will have to give up to Kashmiris' demand of plebicite, if she is ever to prosper and make a mark on the international arena.

give and take will be reality.in back channel talks pak will definitely want india to take hands out of baluchistan,afgh.if ur taking something,u will have to give something.

it is easy to say ,we will not do this,we will do this in front of computer.but reality is different when we talk in back channel.

 

[prototype]

well, as far as the suggested "opportunity of give & take" is concerned, it is nothing but BS and a waste of time.

while the indians have been sent packing from Afghanistan, Pakistan will not and simply cannot abandon the support of her Kashmiri brethren. They are fighting an over 700,000 troop strong military, for the right of self-determination. And eventually india will have to give up to Kashmiris' demand of plebicite, if she is ever to prosper and make a mark on the international arena.

my friend for how much long r u fighting for this Kashmir,at the mean time we not only protected it but also have grown into a major economy,kashmir will remain integral part of india always,whatever u r able for u can do that

meanwhile in afghan even if we have to pack up still that is not going to make as much problem as still we have our cards already placed there this time,remember karzai will still remain in rule,also northen alliance

 

[RobbieS]

I think it was a masterstroke in regional geo-politics by India to get an influence into Afghanistan. Even if things turn worse when US withdraws from Afghanistan, India can always continue to support NA via base(s)in Central Asia and with US help against Taliban and avoid a repeat of the 90s when Taliban swept through onto Kabul.

And I dont think it was India's plan to encircle Pakistan, but it as long as our influence in Afghanistan lasts, Pakistan will think twice about stepping up the ante in Kashmir or trying another mis-adventure like Kargil again!

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

what a garbage opinion.

 

[Sinnerman108]

I think it was a masterstroke in regional geo-politics by India to get an influence into Afghanistan. Even if things turn worse when US withdraws from Afghanistan, India can always continue to support NA via base(s)in Central Asia and with US help against Taliban and avoid a repeat of the 90s when Taliban swept through onto Kabul.

And I dont think it was India's plan to encircle Pakistan, but it as long as our influence in Afghanistan lasts, Pakistan will think twice about stepping up the ante in Kashmir or trying another mis-adventure like Kargil again!

That was funny .... now you take morphine instead of caffeine ?
For one,
count the activity in Kashmir over the last 12 months, boom !
there goes your analysis.
and did you think it will only be Kashmir ?
Boy, u got Assam to think about, The Mallu folks are being naughty in God's own country .... and boy whats up with Khalistan turning on all of a sudden!

Second, if Bollywood can copy hollywood that doesn't mean India can do what US Army does.

Use base(s) in central asia ....
back the northern alliance .....
and supply then with Indian Cinema,
Boy you crack me up ....

you've got to realize sooner rather than later, that them Pakhtuns .... and Pakistanis
they would sure love to get off on katrina,
but the only thing that gives them more pleasure is pagan bondage.

Keep dreaming sweetie ...

 

[Sinnerman108]

anddddddddd
oh yeah
the cherry on the cake
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/64025-india-prepares-two-front-war.html

it was very nice seeing you
and oh, the pleasure is all mine

 

[Srinivas]

^^^ a somewhat balanced article,

however I am a bit surprised if the ISI would put her cards down so early.
as I understood from previous tactics, ISI, Army, and Taliban were only
playing for time.

It made more sense to have let things be as they were, and keep dragging
it as far as possible.

I still believe ISI will carry on with the same philosophy, it is one way to look at the Indian influence as circling Pakistan, another way would be to lure the Indians out of their house into a battlefield we know and understand far better.

I am confident at some point in time, ISI will play this scenario.

Buddy India is a master in this game. Luring India into afganistan is not possible to pakistan and yet India will have considerable support and influence in afganistan.