This Diwali is special, Modi breaking India-China ties

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

The Ladakhi enclave consists of the village of Minsar (Men ser), near Lake Manasarovar (Ma pham), and its surrounding land, while Tconsists of Darchen (Dar chen) Labrang and several smaller monasteries and villages near Mount Kailas (Gangs rin po che, Ti se). The Ladakhi estate of Minsar which the King of Ladakh/J&K retained was ostensibly to meet the religious offering expenses of Lake Manasarowar and Mount Kailas. These enclaves were entirely surrounded by the territory of the Dalai Lama, but Ladakh (superseded by the government of Jammu and Kashmir after 1846) and Bhutan continued to raise revenue there for some 300 years.[/QUOTE]

from where does it states that lake mansorovar is disputed? Furthermore:

These enclaves were entirely surrounded by the territory of the Dalai Lama, (aka Tibet)but Ladakh (superseded by the government of Jammu and Kashmir after 1846) and Bhutan continued to raise revenue there for some 300 years.

The Ladakhi enclave consists of the village of Minsar (Men ser), near Lake Manasarovar (Ma pham), and its surrounding land, while Tconsists of Darchen (Dar chen) Labrang and several smaller monasteries and villages near Mount Kailas (Gangs rin po che, Ti se). The Ladakhi estate of Minsar which the King of Ladakh/J&K retained was ostensibly to meet the religious offering expenses of Lake Manasarowar and Mount Kailas. These enclaves were entirely surrounded by the territory of the Dalai Lama, but Ladakh (superseded by the government of Jammu and Kashmir after 1846) and Bhutan continued to raise revenue there for some 300 years.

from where does it states that lake mansorovar is disputed? Furthermore:[/QUOTE]

From Indian source https://gsuryalss.wordpress.com/tag/nathula-pass/ :

where does it show that the area around lake Mansorovar is disputed?

 

[Hindustani78]

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On the Indian side as well, the earliest recorded evidence of China silk, as mentioned in the previous chapter, appears in
Kautilya’s Aarthasastra which is believed to be the product of 4 th century BC – which uses Sanskrit compound Cinapatta
meaning “a bunch of Chinese silk”

References about China Silk in Kautilya’s Arthasastra this can also be seen in Zhang xuan’s narrations to the King of Bactriaduring his visit to later’s court during 129 BC.

China learnt form India how to make sugar from cane,how to decorate costumes and living spaces with beads, how to
weave gold and silver threads into fabrics, how to enrich Chinese cuisine with black pepper, and how to make medicines from aromatic woods and tropical herbs.

A large number of Buddhist texts of bark, leaf, silk or paper inscribed with ancient Indian, Central Asian and Chinese scripts has been discovered over the past hundred years that throw light on the entire course of the movement of Buddhism from India to China via Central Asia – along the Silk Road.


Progress of China-India during these difficult decades of 1950s and 1960s, the foodgrains annual growth rate for 1950s had been 4.3 per cent for China and it was much lower at 2.7 per cent for India. However, during 1960s while India’s food grain output grew to 3.2 per cent the devastating impact of the Cultural Revoluton was to result in this sliding to 1.4 per cent for China




India becomes a new sourcing point for intermediary products which could feed Chinese factories for production of manufactured goods.For example, Haldia Petrochemicals Ltd., which produces the raw materials for polymers and the plastics industry,could emerge as a ready sourcing point for manufacturers of plastic goods in China.

Pakistan’s transfer of parts of Kashmir to China and China’s own occupation of the Aksai Chin region as also China-Pakistan dispute on K-2peak in their boundary in Jammu and Kashmir province.

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from where does it states that lake mansorovar is disputed? Furthermore:

China’s Himalayan loot began silently in the 1950s by transcending the boundaries of Tibet and steamrolling the occupation of Aksai Chin (38,000 square kilometres) that was part of Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir acceded by Maharaja Hari Singh to India post Partition

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

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On the Indian side as well, the earliest recorded evidence of China silk, as mentioned in the previous chapter, appears in
Kautilya’s Aarthasastra which is believed to be the product of 4 th century BC – which uses Sanskrit compound Cinapatta
meaning “a bunch of Chinese silk”

References about China Silk in Kautilya’s Arthasastra this can also be seen in Zhang xuan’s narrations to the King of Bactriaduring his visit to later’s court during 129 BC.

China learnt form India how to make sugar from cane,how to decorate costumes and living spaces with beads, how to
weave gold and silver threads into fabrics, how to enrich Chinese cuisine with black pepper, and how to make medicines from aromatic woods and tropical herbs.

A large number of Buddhist texts of bark, leaf, silk or paper inscribed with ancient Indian, Central Asian and Chinese scripts has been discovered over the past hundred years that throw light on the entire course of the movement of Buddhism from India to China via Central Asia – along the Silk Road.


Progress of China-India during these difficult decades of 1950s and 1960s, the foodgrains annual growth rate for 1950s had been 4.3 per cent for China and it was much lower at 2.7 per cent for India. However, during 1960s while India’s food grain output grew to 3.2 per cent the devastating impact of the Cultural Revoluton was to result in this sliding to 1.4 per cent for China




India becomes a new sourcing point for intermediary products which could feed Chinese factories for production of manufactured goods.For example, Haldia Petrochemicals Ltd., which produces the raw materials for polymers and the plastics industry,could emerge as a ready sourcing point for manufacturers of plastic goods in China.

Pakistan’s transfer of parts of Kashmir to China and China’s own occupation of the Aksai Chin region as also China-Pakistan dispute on K-2peak in their boundary in Jammu and Kashmir province.



China’s Himalayan loot began silently in the 1950s by transcending the boundaries of Tibet and steamrolling the occupation of Aksai Chin (38,000 square kilometres) that was part of Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir acceded by Maharaja Hari Singh to India post Partition

= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_intimidation

After posting an article on the irrelvant Silk road and, Buddhism some agricultural date AND a final paragraph on the dispute in Aksai Chin- you are still not answering and evading my question

Where does it states in the previous article you linked that Lake Mansorovar(and its surrounding area) is disputed(which itself is in fact not even in or adjacent to Ladakh region)?

 

[A_Poster]

Author seems the from Nehruvian appeasement school of thought with limited understanding of the events.


First post the surgical strikes, two things changed:
1. There was a change in pattern of attacks, unlike previous attacks that were directed on Indian security forces like Gurdaspur attack or Pathankot or Uri. After surgical strikes terrorists started choosing softer civilian targets like recent J&K EDI building attack. This indicates desperation from their handlers.
2. Pakistani Leadership overtly announced it wouldn't transfer any troops from Afghan border to Indian side in response to the surgical strikes, debunking the thought Pakistan will vociferously retaliate any response to Mumbai attack. This is a green signal for India to go for more surgical strikes in Pakistan and Pakistan will choose to be a silent victim for each violation of its sovereignty.

Next how does the author quantify Chinese Support to Pakistan, in order to conclude Chinese support is greater than before?

China like always previously has prevented UNSC resolution on JEM just like it unsuccessfully attempted to do so on LET during Congress being in power.

Only mistake Modi has done so far is not invite the Uyghur leader to conference in India.

Just to add finally in 1980s when India-China ties improved post Mao's death. Chinese had deluded fantasies of using India as a counterweight to Soviet Union and USA. However with fall of Soviet Union and improvement in Indo-US ties, this fantasy fell flat.

Author has probably not even realized yet that its Doval responsible for change in policy rather than Modi. Modi is limited to implementing it and not formulating this.

@A_Poster any further thoughts.

(a) Author is not a nehruvian, but a dyed in red marxist. You should read this post from Darmashkian: https://defence.pk/threads/indian-p...tes-discussions.281816/page-3720#post-8859165

(b) A trade war with China has long been in making. China is blocking access to India in Pharma, IT, and Automobiles where India has comparative advantage over China, and sooner or later, GoI was bound to respond to this by blocking Chinese imports. Two things which have shielded China till now are RCEP negotiations, and pressure for traders lobby.

This boycott has potential of much deeper impact than loss of firecracker and lightening market for Chinese

(i) It work by pressuring traders to source their goods from someplace else or India itself for fear that Chinese goods ,which anyway have much worse reputation than Indian brands, may be boycotted for support to some random terrorist.

(ii) It serve as an education initiative to make politically disinterested people aware of the type of shenanigans China is playing, and thus creating an environment conducive for further economic actions.

(iii) This episode of boycott and its mocking by iPad toting liberals and inferiority complex ridden Chinese made me remember a short story which I have read a long time ago: A tale of flowers http://museindia.com/featurecontent.asp?issid=64&id=6227

One should never underestimate the ability of poor people to make small sacrifices and joy it provides to them. It was directed at lightening and crackers ,which are mainly consumed by lower middle class and it has been more successful than even its initiators imagined, and it is one of the reason why warning ministry of China has became active.

I expect such boycotts ,with each widening than last one in scope, if China keep on supporting terrorists.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

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I expect such boycotts ,with each widening than last one in scope, if China keep on supporting terrorists.

Personally I feel its better to invite Uyghur separatists in response Chinese support for JEM

In regard to trade war, rather than boycott, higher tariffs on certain Chinese imports can be established until they give access to Indian pharmaceuticals, automobiles and IT companies.

 

[Mo12]

India are correct, we must not end up becoming reliant on China for trade like Pakistan are.

It will make us less independent.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

India are correct, we must not end up becoming reliant on China for trade like Pakistan are.

It will make us less independent.

especially when Chinese choose to follow a protectionist approach in regard to Indian imports.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Indian military planners are well aware what the Chinese are doing in Tibet , by expanding railway lines , constructing helipads and have even deployed thouands of SuV's.

Interesting.

India are correct, we must not end up becoming reliant on China for trade like Pakistan are.

It will make us less independent.

Is Pakistan really that dependent on China ??

 

[MilSpec]

you are wasting your time here.

Author seems the from Nehruvian appeasement school of thought with limited understanding of the events.


First post the surgical strikes, two things changed:
1. There was a change in pattern of attacks, unlike previous attacks that were directed on Indian security forces like Gurdaspur attack or Pathankot or Uri. After surgical strikes terrorists started choosing softer civilian targets like recent J&K EDI building attack. This indicates desperation from their handlers.
2. Pakistani Leadership overtly announced it wouldn't transfer any troops from Afghan border to Indian side in response to the surgical strikes, debunking the thought Pakistan will vociferously retaliate any response to Mumbai attack. This is a green signal for India to go for more surgical strikes in Pakistan and Pakistan will choose to be a silent victim for each violation of its sovereignty.

Next how does the author quantify Chinese Support to Pakistan, in order to conclude Chinese support is greater than before?

China like always previously has prevented UNSC resolution on JEM just like it unsuccessfully attempted to do so on LET during Congress being in power.

Only mistake Modi has done so far is not invite the Uyghur leader to conference in India.

Just to add finally in 1980s when India-China ties improved post Mao's death. Chinese had deluded fantasies of using India as a counterweight to Soviet Union and USA. However with fall of Soviet Union and improvement in Indo-US ties, this fantasy fell flat.

Author has probably not even realized yet that its Doval responsible for change in policy rather than Modi. Modi is limited to implementing it and not formulating this.

@A_Poster any further thoughts.

 

[Indika]

Only mistake Modi has done so far is not invite the Uyghur leader to conference in India.

We did and back tracked on it. I think soon that will happen. Only hesitancy is not to give space to radical islamists.
India has already given Dalai lama green signal to visit Arunachal pradesh. If the chinese shenanigans does not stop then tibet recognition might well come into play.

 

[Hindustani78]

Where does it states in the previous article you linked that Lake Mansorovar(and its surrounding area) is disputed(which itself is in fact not even in or adjacent to Ladakh region)?

that was part of Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir acceded by Maharaja Hari Singh to India post Partition.

Its just 13 kms from mainland India and its holy place for the ancient Rig vedic tribes .

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

that was part of Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir acceded by Maharaja Hari Singh to India post Partition.

Its just 13 kms from mainland India and its holy place for the ancient Rig vedic tribes .

Thank you.

After posting 1 whole page of photos of some mountains, religions, pilgrims and other irrelevant images pertaining to your insinuation of India's military having the capability of taking lake Mansorovar:

Time will show what Indian Military is capable of , this is not 1962 but 2016.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/this-diw...-india-china-ties.458738/page-3#ixzz4OjDQ6tWs

you still have not presented simple evidence(it's simple because i only ask for evidence to show that it is even in dispute- not who has a more legit claim to it) or your self-proclaimed and invented fact(out of your fanatic nationalism that it is a sacred place for Hindus?) that Lake Mansorovar is disputed between China and India.

Thank you.

After posting 1 whole page of photos of some mountains, religions, pilgrims and other irrelevant images pertaining to your insinuation of India's military having the capability of taking lake Mansorovar:



you still have not presented simple evidence(it's simple because i only ask for evidence to show that it is even in dispute- not who has a more legit claim to it) or your self-proclaimed and invented(out of your fanatic nationalism that it is a sacred place for Hindus?) fact that Lake Mansorovar is disputed between China and India.

Thus, you are helpless and short of an outright Indian invasion, Lake Mansorovar is beyond India's reach perpertually.

 

[R&D]

too bad for u that Mansorovar is in China then( way beyond the disputed areas)- perpertually beyond your reach

Mansorovar is in TIBET. Not china. Needle us more and that can change with time. Nothing is beyond reach, most things are more near that people realise. Distance between Delhi and Tibet is a lot shorter than the distance between Beijing and Tibet.

 

[Mo12]

Interesting.


Is Pakistan really that dependent on China ??

At the moment, Pakistan are very reliant on China. However China are investing into CPEC.

Pakistan textile industry has been suffering due to China as well

Lets see if that happens

 

[Hindustani78]

Mansorovar is in TIBET. Not china. Needle us more and that can change with time. Nothing is beyond reach, most things are more near that people realise. Distance between Delhi and Tibet is a lot shorter than the distance between Beijing and Tibet.

China’s Himalayan loot began silently in the 1950s by transcending the boundaries of Tibet and steamrolling the occupation of Aksai Chin (38,000 square kilometres) that was part of Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir acceded by Maharaja Hari Singh to India post Partition

October 7th 1950 that units of the Chinese so-called People’s Liberation Army crossed the River Yangtze into Kham, the eastern province of Tibet in the foothills of the Himalayas.