These two sentences...I hate them

[Max]

Nature of cooperation between Indians and GCC is economic while Pakistan has military element as well along with economics...This is how our relations with GCC countries are always been...Economic + Military...

Example : Pakistanis serving in UAE/Bahrain armed forces....Our troops are allegedly in KSA as well

So how they going to replace us? are bharati planning to take our all our military cooperation with GCC? i dont think so.. bharati can Hug UAE from behind, what about rest of GCC?

 

[Sliver]

@Syed.Ali.Haider a better example would be Japan and USA. even after pearl harbor and the nukes, close co-operation now.

 

[I S I]

@PaklovesTurkiye
Kindly don't engage Bhensa group supporter....He has no life but to defend blasphemers.

Don't shoot in air. Point finger with name, islami thekedaar.

@Syed.Ali.Haider a better example would be Japan and USA. even after pearl harbor and the nukes, close co-operation now.

You're thinking of word "Slavery".

 

[VCheng]

@Syed.Ali.Haider a better example would be Japan and USA. even after pearl harbor and the nukes, close co-operation now.

There are scores and scores of such examples to prove that there really is no such thing as permanent friends or foes in international geopolitics.

 

[Hareeb]

1- Nobody can stay neutral in this Modern World.
-- When you are neutral you can trade and get weapons from both sides (incase of need) while keeping pace of your own economic growth.
But reality is when you are progressing economically and your eco interests dont concide with the interests of others, then you make alliances. Like China has the policy to trade with everyone but she made alliance with Russia due to SCS issue (threat to her territorial boundries by US and Japan--while US is her largest trading partner) and CPEC with Pakistan to give security to her maritime trade incase of blockage of Strait of Malacca.

2- Yes, there is no permanent friend and foe in geopolitics. Like there was a Sina-Soviet border conflict which lasted for 7 months but when their interests are threatened by US, they are working closely to deal with US.
*US heads NATO but she keeps on eye on this alliance like Germany and others (--wikileaks cables).
Another example is Turkey. She is a NATO member but in Syria, her interests dont concide with those of NATO and US, and she made an alliance with Russia to deal with ISIS and Asaad. While on the other hand, US gives protection to Turkey's most wanted person "Fethullah Gülen". So there is no permanent friend or foe, but interests.

 

[NomanAli89]

@PaklovesTurkiye Great post ....

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

So how they going to replace us? are bharati planning to take our all our military cooperation with GCC? i dont think so.. bharati can Hug UAE from behind, what about rest of GCC?

Yes...Rest of GCC is still cooperative with us but in future, the instance of Pakistan can hurt us quite badly

@PaklovesTurkiye Great post ....

Thanks..

 

[!eon]

1) Neutrality should be adopted.
Neutrality ? But how ?
Suppose Pakistan gives one of her ports to Saudia, Iran's rival in the area. What will be feelings of Iranians ? would they call Pakistan a friendly or neutral nation ?
Now to whom Iran has given Chabahar port, and that too very near to Pakistan border ?

2) There are no permanent friends/enemies in geopolitics.
There are natural alliances (Pakistan-China) and there are others, some kind of forced/uneasy alliances (Pakistan-USA).

Natural ones tend to remain for centuries and non natural can be over at any time.
USA has many reasons to be powerful country and certainly one of them is alliance.

In terms of Pakistan-Iran or Pakistan-Saudia realtions or alliance. Pakistan had alliance with both since her creation. But Shah's Iran was different and Mullah's Iran has some other motives.
Right after gaining power, Iranian Mullah created Tahreek e Nafaz e Fiqa Jafria in Pakistan. Name shows it's purpose. This purpose is fulfilled in Iraq. In Yemen and Bahrain he is trying hard.
So what kind of alliance Pakistan can have with a country that wants her own kind of regulations and power structure in Pakistan ?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Some people use these sentences too often regarding geopolitics...

1) Neutrality should be adopted.

2) There are no permanent friends/enemies in geopolitics.
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Really??? Are these sentences universally true? I don't think so...

Lets address these two questions...

The world most strongest militarily capable country in the world is US...So, US would be the most ideal candidate to adopt for neutrality in case of conflict anywhere as Murica doesn't require any help militarily if she find herself in trouble with Russia or China...So, it should be useless for Murica to join any alliance as US doesn't need to join...US has every gun in her arsenal...BUT...

Reality is that US heads NATO (probably the only strongest military alliance in world)...Not only that US finds herself in another alliance which people may not know, it is The Five Eyes, often abbreviated as FVEY, is an intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. Nullifying this this theory as well, which says that there are no permanent friends or enemies in world...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

So, do tell me...How the above two questions are universally true...

Ideally, the weaker country seeks alliance to offset bigger threat...but here, US, the most militarily powerful country is heading alliances all over the world instead of staying neutral. It shows Murica does have permanent interests with these mentioned countries especially..

I decided to think of this thread as many people stupidly shout for neutrality during yemen crisis, when Pakistan was asked by GCC to join...but we idiots, denied in inappropriate manner, resulting in paving the road for Indians into GCC...

Still, we are not doomed, if there is any pragmatic general sitting in GHQ, we will make our foothold strong in Middle East again as it was previously...

@MastanKhan @Doordie @Farah Sohail @jhungary @tps77

On the face of it, those FIVE you mentioned are anglo saxons. Same breed. so naturally they are strongly allied. BUT One may argue that Americans and UK fought the war of independence against each other. But after WW2, they all realised the folly of fighting with each other and keep their ranks close in order to rule the world, collectively. But if look indepth, its actually the secret societies which from behind the scene rule these countries, they are spread all across. That is what in reality binding them together.

Among Muslim world, there is no such "Muslim secret order" which can pull the strings from behind the scene and keep them all tied up. So we got situation where everyone is going into different tangents. And you endup with situations like Yemen and Syria.

 

[Sliver]

You're thinking of word "Slavery".

are you suggesting Japan is a slave of USA?

There are scores and scores of such examples to prove that there really is no such thing as permanent friends or foes in international geopolitics.

 

[I S I]

are you suggesting Japan is a slave of USA?

Wow you're genious.

 

[T-123456]

1) Neutrality should be adopted.

2) There are no permanent friends/enemies in geopolitics.

It depends on the country.
There are countries in the world with the same culture religion and worldview,these countries form a block without having to say it or show it,examples are THE FIVE EYES,GCC,UNION STATE,Nordic Council and a couple of more.
These countries are permanent friends,no matter what.
I would say,there are no permanent enemies in geopolitics.
Neutrality only goes for countries not having permanent strong(soft and hard power) friends.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Some people use these sentences too often regarding geopolitics...

1) Neutrality should be adopted.

2) There are no permanent friends/enemies in geopolitics.
​

Really??? Are these sentences universally true? I don't think so...

Lets address these two questions...

The world most strongest militarily capable country in the world is US...So, US would be the most ideal candidate to adopt for neutrality in case of conflict anywhere as Murica doesn't require any help militarily if she find herself in trouble with Russia or China...So, it should be useless for Murica to join any alliance as US doesn't need to join...US has every gun in her arsenal...BUT...

Reality is that US heads NATO (probably the only strongest military alliance in world)...Not only that US finds herself in another alliance which people may not know, it is The Five Eyes, often abbreviated as FVEY, is an intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. Nullifying this this theory as well, which says that there are no permanent friends or enemies in world...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

So, do tell me...How the above two questions are universally true...

Ideally, the weaker country seeks alliance to offset bigger threat...but here, US, the most militarily powerful country is heading alliances all over the world instead of staying neutral. It shows Murica does have permanent interests with these mentioned countries especially..

I decided to think of this thread as many people stupidly shout for neutrality during yemen crisis, when Pakistan was asked by GCC to join...but we idiots, denied in inappropriate manner, resulting in paving the road for Indians into GCC...

Still, we are not doomed, if there is any pragmatic general sitting in GHQ, we will make our foothold strong in Middle East again as it was previously...

@MastanKhan @Doordie @Farah Sohail @jhungary @tps77

Well, that depends on the parties involved. Given the history, NATO is a solid organization. And that's a no brainer. It doesn't even matter what Trump personally thinks of it.

I have known alliances that exist only as a means to an end. These alliances do not have much history behind them. They are built with objectivity in mind.

But, they can build up depending on how trust develops between the parties. And that takes time. They can also disband once their objectives are complete or in worse cases, fails.

 

[livingdead]

If Iran can have military cooperation with bharat, why cant Pakistan have it with GCC?



I dont see any bharati fighting for Arabs.

nobody is stopping pakistan from having military cooperation with GCC.. the issue is of providing substantial help that GCC countries want in fighting shia rebels.(if I understood OP correctly)..

 

[Tps43]

Some people use these sentences too often regarding geopolitics...

1) Neutrality should be adopted.

2) There are no permanent friends/enemies in geopolitics.
​

Really??? Are these sentences universally true? I don't think so...

Lets address these two questions...

The world most strongest militarily capable country in the world is US...So, US would be the most ideal candidate to adopt for neutrality in case of conflict anywhere as Murica doesn't require any help militarily if she find herself in trouble with Russia or China...So, it should be useless for Murica to join any alliance as US doesn't need to join...US has every gun in her arsenal...BUT...

Reality is that US heads NATO (probably the only strongest military alliance in world)...Not only that US finds herself in another alliance which people may not know, it is The Five Eyes, often abbreviated as FVEY, is an intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. Nullifying this this theory as well, which says that there are no permanent friends or enemies in world...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

So, do tell me...How the above two questions are universally true...

Ideally, the weaker country seeks alliance to offset bigger threat...but here, US, the most militarily powerful country is heading alliances all over the world instead of staying neutral. It shows Murica does have permanent interests with these mentioned countries especially..

I decided to think of this thread as many people stupidly shout for neutrality during yemen crisis, when Pakistan was asked by GCC to join...but we idiots, denied in inappropriate manner, resulting in paving the road for Indians into GCC...

Still, we are not doomed, if there is any pragmatic general sitting in GHQ, we will make our foothold strong in Middle East again as it was previously...

@MastanKhan @Doordie @Farah Sohail @jhungary @tps77

I agree we should no Fully cop with GCC and turkey if iran wants then we can also have good terms with them But only if there is no munafiqat