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[beijingwalker]

Well Shenzhen certainly has a long history of opening up faster than the rest of the country...unfortunately the things they were opening up isn’t for families.

Small places located around key sea trade routes are always easier to be developed, 10-15 years are quite enough, China now actually has many Shenzhens, but when it comes to big mountains and desert regions, things can be painfully slow, and China has a lot of those terrains, the most in the world actually.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Small places located around key sea trade routes are always easier to be developed, 10-15 years are quite enough, China now actually has many Shenzhens, but when it comes to big mountains and desert regions, things can be painfully slow, and China has a lot of those terrains, the most in the world actually.

You should watch some Hong Kong movies from the 1960’s on YouTube just for the backgrounds and then imagine what people across the harbor in the mainland were thinking while watching it. Then you’ll know why China opened up.

 

[beijingwalker]

You should watch some Hong Kong movies from the 1960’s on YouTube just for the backgrounds and then imagine what people across the harbor in the mainland were thinking while watching it. Then you’ll know why China opened up.

Can't imagine the time when I was not born and I prefer looking to the future.

 

[Mista]

That's why I said it's much more easier to develop a small place with a small population, Japan and Korea are smaller than a Chinese province, any single industry can boost their whole economy.

Shenzhen is what it is today because China concentrate many of its industries, capital, and talent in Shenzhen, and being beside a financial hub like HK is an icing on the cake. Go look up how much of China's FDI comes through HK. Without China, there's no Shenzhen. It can't be compared to other 'small' places like Japan or South Korea.

Barring oil-states, it's a myth that small countries have faster economic growth. People only remember that the majority of rich countries are small but forget that the majority of poor countries are small as well, both are simply because of the fact that the majority of countries in the world are small.

Before bringing in India, note that there are only 2 countries with a population above 1 billion. You mean China share more similarities with India than Japan just because of population size? You should put India in the context of South Asia and China in the context of East Asia.

 

[beijingwalker]

People only remember that the majority of rich countries are small but forget that the majority of poor countries are small as well, both are simply because the majority of countries in the world are small.

Depends on the location, all those Chinese coastal cities will be very rich first world city states if they were countries but cities in the western China can be much poorer. If Shanghai is a country, it can be the richest in Asian or even the world, even Macau, because of its size, it is the top richest in GDP in the world.

Shenzhen is what it is today because China concentrate many of its industries, capital, and talent in Shenzhen, and being beside a financial hub like HK is an icing on the cake. Go look up how much of China's FDI comes through HK. Without China, there's no Shenzhen. It can't be compared to other 'small' places like Japan or South Korea.

Shen zhen has to give a lot of its revenue to the central government, if Shenzhen were a country, even China doesn't invest anything, other countries will do, in no lesser scale, and Shenzhen can keep all the money to itself. as I mentioned, it's always easy to develop small places.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Can't imagine the time when I was not born and I prefer looking to the future.

That’s why you completely fail in your understanding of things. You think the modern world started in 1995. No, it’s been around for far longer. China was just hiding from it.

 

[Mista]

If Shanghai is a country, it can be the richest in Asian or even the world

What's Shanghai's GDP per capita?

Macau, because of its size, it is the top richest in GDP in the world.

Macau is a part of China and similar to Shenzhen, it enjoys the privilege of being the sole gambling hub of China.

And most of Macau's GDP is accrued to its casinos and doesn't necessarily flow to her people. It's median income and household median income is lower than HK, which supposedly only have half the GDP per capita of Macau's.

That's why I usually prefer to look at median income rather than GDP per capita if statistics are available, because they are much more reliable in reflecting a society's general material well-being.

Shen zhen has to give a lot of its revenue to the central government, if Shenzhen were a country, even China doesn't invest anything, other countries will do, in no lesser scale, and Shenzhen can keep all the money to itself. as I mentioned, it's always easy to develop small places.

So you mean Shenzhen is actually worse off being part of China?

 

[beijingwalker]

What's Shanghai's GDP per capita?

Smaller than Beijing's, because it gives most of the revenu to the government, that system levels out all Chinese cities, if Shanghai were a city state, it can be the richest in Asia and the world.

What's Shanghai's GDP per capita?



Macau is a part of China and similar to Shenzhen, it enjoys the privilege of being the sole gambling hub of China.

And most of Macau's GDP is accrued to its casinos and doesn't necessarily flow to her people. It's median income and household median income is lower than HK, which supposedly only have half the GDP per capita of Macau's.

That's why I usually prefer to look at median income rather than GDP per capita if statistics are available, because they are much more reliable in reflecting a society's general material well-being.



So you mean Shenzhen is actually worse off being part of China?

All developed regions are probably worse off being part of China, beause China is very huge, so much barren lands and harsh environments,that's the reason I say developing a massive country ike China is a daunting struggle.

深圳对口扶贫已涉及6个省34个县 ,深圳今年安排24亿财政资金帮困扶贫 确保全面完成对口帮扶任务
That's what Shenzhen's job assigned by the central government and they have to fulfill the goals which mean billions aids and investments

 

[Mista]

Smaller than Beijing's, because it gives most of the revenu to the government, that system levels out all Chinese cities

And how much of Shanghai's talents, capital, industry, and economic activities are accrued to the fact that it's the financial hub of China? How much will Shanghai spend on defense and foreign policy if it's an independent country, and how will it navigate geopolitically?

if Shanghai were a city state, it can be the richest in Asia and the world.

How much GDP per capita would it be then?

 

[beijingwalker]

And how much of Shanghai's talents, capital, industry, and economic activities are accrued to the fact that it's the financial hub of China? How much will Shanghai spend on defense and foreign policy if it's an independent country, and how will it navigate geopolitically?

How much GDP per capita would it be then?

It's everyone's guess, I would say it's easy to put Tokyo to shame.

When you are so small, you don't put much on defence budget, cause even you do, it's still useless.

When you have a chance to become a financial center in the world, you don't care about being one for a country.

 

[Mista]

Smaller than Beijing's, because it gives most of the revenu to the government, that system levels out all Chinese cities, if Shanghai were a city state, it can be the richest in Asia and the world.


All developed regions are probably worse off being part of China, beause China is very huge, so much barren lands and harsh environments,that's the reason I say developing a massive country ike China is a daunting struggle.

深圳对口扶贫已涉及6个省34个县 ,深圳今年安排24亿财政资金帮困扶贫 确保全面完成对口帮扶任务
That's what Shenzhen's job assigned by the central government and they have to fulfill the goals which mean billions aids and investments

Like you said, Shenzhen was a fishing village 40 years ago with little people. People came to Shenzhen because it's an economic free-zone part of China where China concentrates her top-tier industries in. Without the Chinese market, there's Tencent or Baidu?

Why not narrow your geographical definition further? You might as well say Lujiazui or Manhattan would be the richest country if they were independent.

New York County (Manhattan), with a population of 1.6 million, placed first with a GDP equal to each person producing $386,425 in goods and services annually. That’s double the second-most productive county—the District of Columbia.

Manhattan wouldn't need to pay taxes to NY or the Federal government then right?

I would say it's easy to put Tokyo to shame.

That's some big statement.

The combined GDP of China's first-tier cities are still smaller than Tokyo today. In fact the last time I check a few years back, Tokyo has a larger GDP than India or Russia.

 

[beijingwalker]

Like you said, Shenzhen was a fishing village 40 years ago with little people. People came to Shenzhen because it's an economic free-zone part of China where China concentrates her top-tier industries in. Without the Chinese market, there's Tencent or Baidu?

Why not narrow your definition further. You might as well say Lujiazui or Manhattan would be the richest country if they were independent.



Manhattan wouldn't need to pay taxes to NY or the Federal government then right?



That's some big statement.

The combined GDP of China's first-tier cities are still smaller than Tokyo today. In fact the last time I check a few years back, Tokyo has a larger GDP than India or Russia.

Do you think Singapore would be the same if it was with Malaysia?

 

[Mista]

Do you think Singapore would be the same if it was with Malaysia?

Do you think we are different from Malaysia in the first place because of size, or because we have a different proportion of race and culture, as well as a different political system and leadership?

Why does Singapore with a 5m+ population has a larger GDP than Malaysia with 30m+ people (of which 6m+ are ethnic Chinese), blessed with all kinds of natural resources?

 

[beijingwalker]

Do you think we are different from Malaysia in the first place because of size, or we have different proportion of race and culture?

Han people ourselves are also very diverse in China, I mean size and location, you don't need Malaysia's investments and talents, developed countries seeking investment opportunities will provide, it doesn't need much to greatly boost a small place up to a higher level, one decade is enough, but when it comes to one fifth of the humanity with much of her lands harsh and barren, it needs nothing short of a miracle to make it happen.

 

[Mista]

Han people ourselves are also very diverse in China, I mean size and location, you don't need Malaysia's investments and talents, developed countries seeking investment opportunities will provide, it doesn't need much to greatly boost a small place up to a higher level, one decade is enough, but when it comes to one fifth of the humanity with much of her lands harsh and barren, it needs nothing short of a miracle to make it happen.

Being a city-state and being a city in a country is ultimately different. Almost all capital/economic centers in every country is richer than other cities in the same country, because they have a concentration of economic resources which other cities don't have. You can't deny that Shenzhen's prosperity is largely because of China, just like Manhattan's prosperity is largely because of the US. They wouldn't exist without the main body. Shenzhen/Shanghai rightly pays taxes to the central, because many of the taxes (like import tax) are country-level.

Singapore spends the most on defense every year, higher than education or healthcare. Our defense spending is even higher than Indonesia and every Singapore male spend 2 years of life in the military.

You may think it's useless because in your worldview only US, Russia and China are relevant globally. But the military's relevance for Singapore, I know it's still very important.

I do know that Mahathir threatened to cut off Singapore's water in the 1990s, and only shut up when LKY threatened to invade Malaysia if he dared to do that. Now he's back and is raising the water issue again, but you can be sure that he won't dare to cut off our water.

On dealing with claims over outstanding issues involving neighbouring countries like Singapore, Dr Mahathir said that although negotiations may not be so successful, Malaysia does not intend to go to war with them.

He said Singapore is more powerful than Malaysia though it may be small in size, and drew laughter from the packed hall.

"I don't see war as a way to settle (issues). We will continue to negotiate although there may be no results," he said.

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