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KEY POINTS
  • He left for Ukraine, she’s in Japan and another lives in a jungle in India.
  • These borrowers point to their student debt as the reason they couldn’t make it in America.
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Chadd Haag said he left the United States to escape his student debt. Now he lives in India. Source: Chadd Haag

Chad Haag considered living in a cave to escape his student debt. He had a friend doing it. But after some plotting, he settled on what he considered a less risky plan. This year, he relocated to a jungle in India. “I’ve put America behind me,” Haag, 29, said.

Today he lives in a concrete house in the village of Uchakkada for $50 a month. His backyard is filled with coconut trees and chickens. “I saw four elephants just yesterday,” he said, adding that he hopes never to set foot in a Walmart again.

More than 9,000 miles away from Colorado, Haag said, his student loans don’t feel real anymore. “It’s kind of like, if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does it really exist?” he said.

Some student loan borrowers are packing their bags and fleeing from the U.S. to other countries, where the cost of living is often lower and debt collectors wield less power over them. Although there is no national data on how many people have left the United States because of student debt, borrowers tell their stories of doing so in Facebook groups and Reddit channels and how-to advice is offered on personal finance websites.

“It may be an issue we see an uptick in if the trends keep up,” said Barmak Nassirian, director of federal relations at the American Association of State Colleges and Universities.

Outstanding student debt in the U.S. has tripled over the last decade and is projected to swell to $2 trillion by 2022. Average debt at graduation is currently around $30,000, up from an inflation-adjusted $16,000 in the early 1990s. Meanwhile, salaries for new bachelor degree recipients, also accounting for inflation, have remained almost flat over the last few decades.

Haag’s student loan balance of around $20,000 isn’t as large as the burden shouldered by many other borrowers, but, he said, his difficultly finding a college-level job in the U.S. has made that debt oppressive nonetheless.

“If you’re not making a living wage,” he said, ”$20,000 in debt is devastating.”

He struggled to come up with the $300 a month he owed upon graduation. The first work he found after he left the University of Northern Colorado in 2011 — when the recession’s effects were still palpable — was on-again, off-again hours at a factory, unloading trucks and constructing toy rockets on an assembly line. He then went back to school to pursue a master’s degree in comparative literature at the University of Colorado Boulder. After that, he tried to make it as an adjunct professor, but still he could barely scrape a living together with the one class a semester he was assigned.

Haag had some hope restored when he landed full-time work as a medical courier in Denver, delivering urine and blood samples to hospitals. However, he was disappointed to find that he brought home just $1,700 a month. He had little money left over after he paid his student loan bill. He couldn’t afford an apartment in the city, where rents have been rising sharply. He lived with his mother and rarely went out with friends.

“I couldn’t make the math work in America,” Haag said.

Milestones that seemed like pipe dreams back home, like starting a family,and owning a house, are now on his horizon in India. Last year, he married an Indian citizen, a professor at a local college. He has a five-year spousal visa.

Adjusting to a new country, he admitted, has not been entirely easy.

“Some toilets here are holes in the ground you squat over,” Haag said. Recently, he ate spoiled goat meat at a local restaurant and landed in the emergency room.

Still, he said, “I have a higher standard of living in a Third World country than I would in America, because of my student loans.”

Moving to another country to escape student debt is risky, experts say. If the person wants or needs to return to the United States, they’ll find their loan balance has only grown while they were gone, thanks to compound interest, collection charges and late fees.

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Although the Education Department typically can’t garnish someone’s wages if they’re working for a company outside of the United States, it can take up to 15 percent of their Social Security benefits when they start collecting.

“The loans do not disappear when you become an expat,” said Mark Kantrowitz, a student loan expert.

The Education Department did not respond to a request for comment.

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Chad Albright hasn’t checked his student loan account in eight years. Source: Chad Albright

Chad Albright attended Millersville University, in Pennsylvania, where he studied communications and history. He graduated as the Great Recession was beginning in December 2007, and couldn’t find anyone to hire him in his chosen field. “I went to interview after interview after interview,” Albright, 39, said.

Still, he had $30,000 in student loans and was soon faced with a monthly bill of around $400. Unable to support himself, he moved in with his parents in Lancaster and worked as a pizza deliveryman. “There was anger,” Albright said. “I couldn’t believe I couldn’t find a job in America.”

He fell behind on his student loans and feared the Education Department would garnish his wages.

Albright’s credit score tanked as a result of his repayment troubles, making it difficult for him to buy a car and to land certain jobs, since some employers now pull credit reports. “I feel that college ruined my life,” Albright said.

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“I’m much happier in Ukraine,” said Albright. Source: Chad Albright

Seeing no future for himself in the United States, he decided to move to China in 2011. In the city of Zhongshan, he discovered he loved teaching students English. Unlike when he was delivering greasy boxes of pizza, he found his work meaningful and fulfilling.

Though he earned just around $1,000 a month in China, the school where he was teaching covered most of his rent and the cost of living was much lower than in Pennsylvania.

A few years later, Albright moved to Ukraine, where he is now a permanent resident. He first taught in Kiev and now does so in Odessa, a port city on the Black Sea. He has no plans to return to the United States. “I am much happier in Ukraine,” he said, adding that he hasn’t checked his student loan account in nearly eight years.

There are more reasonable ways of dealing with student debt, said Nassirian, at the American Association of State Colleges and Universities.

Struggling borrowers should enter into one of the government’s income-based repayment plans instead, in which their monthly bill will be capped at a portion of their income, he said. Some payments wind up being as little as $0 a month.

But the fact that people are taking this drastic measure should bring scrutiny to the larger student loan system, said Alan Collinge, founder of Student Loan Justice.

“Any rational person who learns that people are fleeing the country as a result of their student loan debt will conclude that something has gone horribly awry with this lending system,” Collinge said.

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“I try not to think about America,” Williams said. “It’s heartbreaking.” Source: Katrina Williams

Katrina Williams was in a rush to find a job after she graduated from the University of South Alabama in 2013. She was looking at a monthly student loan bill of $700.

“I had to take whatever I could so I could pay on the loans,” Williams said.

She picked up multiple jobs, as a part-time barista at Starbucks, a substitute teacher and a delivery-woman for the United States Postal Service. At one point, she worked full time at a call center for Sears.

“I was working every day,” Williams said. “I had enough money left over to put gas in the car.”

She lived with her mother and couldn’t afford health insurance.

Williams had a friend who had moved to Japan, and the idea of leaving the United States grew on her. In 2015, she moved to China, also to teach English to students. “I love my work,” she said. Her job sponsors her visa.

She has her own apartment now and doesn’t have to work seven days a week anymore. Yet Williams misses her relationships back home; she hasn’t been able to make many friends in Japan.

She thinks about returning to the U.S., but knows she will be welcomed back by wage garnishments and endless calls from collection agencies. Her student debt has ballooned to well over $100,000.

“I wish I could come back to America and not be scared,” she said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/25/they-fled-the-country-to-escape-their-student-debt.html
 
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KEY POINTS
  • He left for Ukraine, she’s in Japan and another lives in a jungle in India.
  • These borrowers point to their student debt as the reason they couldn’t make it in America.
105481479-1538425295940ch.jpg

Chadd Haag said he left the United States to escape his student debt. Now he lives in India. Source: Chadd Haag

Chad Haag considered living in a cave to escape his student debt. He had a friend doing it. But after some plotting, he settled on what he considered a less risky plan. This year, he relocated to a jungle in India. “I’ve put America behind me,” Haag, 29, said.

Today he lives in a concrete house in the village of Uchakkada for $50 a month. His backyard is filled with coconut trees and chickens. “I saw four elephants just yesterday,” he said, adding that he hopes never to set foot in a Walmart again.

More than 9,000 miles away from Colorado, Haag said, his student loans don’t feel real anymore. “It’s kind of like, if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does it really exist?” he said.

Some student loan borrowers are packing their bags and fleeing from the U.S. to other countries, where the cost of living is often lower and debt collectors wield less power over them. Although there is no national data on how many people have left the United States because of student debt, borrowers tell their stories of doing so in Facebook groups and Reddit channels and how-to advice is offered on personal finance websites.

“It may be an issue we see an uptick in if the trends keep up,” said Barmak Nassirian, director of federal relations at the American Association of State Colleges and Universities.

Outstanding student debt in the U.S. has tripled over the last decade and is projected to swell to $2 trillion by 2022. Average debt at graduation is currently around $30,000, up from an inflation-adjusted $16,000 in the early 1990s. Meanwhile, salaries for new bachelor degree recipients, also accounting for inflation, have remained almost flat over the last few decades.

Haag’s student loan balance of around $20,000 isn’t as large as the burden shouldered by many other borrowers, but, he said, his difficultly finding a college-level job in the U.S. has made that debt oppressive nonetheless.

“If you’re not making a living wage,” he said, ”$20,000 in debt is devastating.”

He struggled to come up with the $300 a month he owed upon graduation. The first work he found after he left the University of Northern Colorado in 2011 — when the recession’s effects were still palpable — was on-again, off-again hours at a factory, unloading trucks and constructing toy rockets on an assembly line. He then went back to school to pursue a master’s degree in comparative literature at the University of Colorado Boulder. After that, he tried to make it as an adjunct professor, but still he could barely scrape a living together with the one class a semester he was assigned.

Haag had some hope restored when he landed full-time work as a medical courier in Denver, delivering urine and blood samples to hospitals. However, he was disappointed to find that he brought home just $1,700 a month. He had little money left over after he paid his student loan bill. He couldn’t afford an apartment in the city, where rents have been rising sharply. He lived with his mother and rarely went out with friends.

“I couldn’t make the math work in America,” Haag said.

Milestones that seemed like pipe dreams back home, like starting a family,and owning a house, are now on his horizon in India. Last year, he married an Indian citizen, a professor at a local college. He has a five-year spousal visa.

Adjusting to a new country, he admitted, has not been entirely easy.

“Some toilets here are holes in the ground you squat over,” Haag said. Recently, he ate spoiled goat meat at a local restaurant and landed in the emergency room.

Still, he said, “I have a higher standard of living in a Third World country than I would in America, because of my student loans.”

Moving to another country to escape student debt is risky, experts say. If the person wants or needs to return to the United States, they’ll find their loan balance has only grown while they were gone, thanks to compound interest, collection charges and late fees.

105449669-Unknown-2.png


Although the Education Department typically can’t garnish someone’s wages if they’re working for a company outside of the United States, it can take up to 15 percent of their Social Security benefits when they start collecting.

“The loans do not disappear when you become an expat,” said Mark Kantrowitz, a student loan expert.

The Education Department did not respond to a request for comment.

105490252-1538744865604albright.jpg

Chad Albright hasn’t checked his student loan account in eight years. Source: Chad Albright

Chad Albright attended Millersville University, in Pennsylvania, where he studied communications and history. He graduated as the Great Recession was beginning in December 2007, and couldn’t find anyone to hire him in his chosen field. “I went to interview after interview after interview,” Albright, 39, said.

Still, he had $30,000 in student loans and was soon faced with a monthly bill of around $400. Unable to support himself, he moved in with his parents in Lancaster and worked as a pizza deliveryman. “There was anger,” Albright said. “I couldn’t believe I couldn’t find a job in America.”

He fell behind on his student loans and feared the Education Department would garnish his wages.

Albright’s credit score tanked as a result of his repayment troubles, making it difficult for him to buy a car and to land certain jobs, since some employers now pull credit reports. “I feel that college ruined my life,” Albright said.

105490974-1538764447557ca.jpg

“I’m much happier in Ukraine,” said Albright. Source: Chad Albright

Seeing no future for himself in the United States, he decided to move to China in 2011. In the city of Zhongshan, he discovered he loved teaching students English. Unlike when he was delivering greasy boxes of pizza, he found his work meaningful and fulfilling.

Though he earned just around $1,000 a month in China, the school where he was teaching covered most of his rent and the cost of living was much lower than in Pennsylvania.

A few years later, Albright moved to Ukraine, where he is now a permanent resident. He first taught in Kiev and now does so in Odessa, a port city on the Black Sea. He has no plans to return to the United States. “I am much happier in Ukraine,” he said, adding that he hasn’t checked his student loan account in nearly eight years.

There are more reasonable ways of dealing with student debt, said Nassirian, at the American Association of State Colleges and Universities.

Struggling borrowers should enter into one of the government’s income-based repayment plans instead, in which their monthly bill will be capped at a portion of their income, he said. Some payments wind up being as little as $0 a month.

But the fact that people are taking this drastic measure should bring scrutiny to the larger student loan system, said Alan Collinge, founder of Student Loan Justice.

“Any rational person who learns that people are fleeing the country as a result of their student loan debt will conclude that something has gone horribly awry with this lending system,” Collinge said.

105524985-1540324802703childhood-1.jpg

“I try not to think about America,” Williams said. “It’s heartbreaking.” Source: Katrina Williams

Katrina Williams was in a rush to find a job after she graduated from the University of South Alabama in 2013. She was looking at a monthly student loan bill of $700.

“I had to take whatever I could so I could pay on the loans,” Williams said.

She picked up multiple jobs, as a part-time barista at Starbucks, a substitute teacher and a delivery-woman for the United States Postal Service. At one point, she worked full time at a call center for Sears.

“I was working every day,” Williams said. “I had enough money left over to put gas in the car.”

She lived with her mother and couldn’t afford health insurance.

Williams had a friend who had moved to Japan, and the idea of leaving the United States grew on her. In 2015, she moved to China, also to teach English to students. “I love my work,” she said. Her job sponsors her visa.

She has her own apartment now and doesn’t have to work seven days a week anymore. Yet Williams misses her relationships back home; she hasn’t been able to make many friends in Japan.

She thinks about returning to the U.S., but knows she will be welcomed back by wage garnishments and endless calls from collection agencies. Her student debt has ballooned to well over $100,000.

“I wish I could come back to America and not be scared,” she said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/25/they-fled-the-country-to-escape-their-student-debt.html


dishonest people ,they should pay their debt.
indian students go to america by taking loan from indian banks , after completing education they repay loans honestly doing jobs in america , that is why indians are grouped in highest income groups in america .
 
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dishonest people ,they should pay their debt.
indian students go to america by taking loan from indian banks , after completing education they repay loans honestly doing jobs in america , that is why indians are grouped in highest income groups in america .

Do you know how big the student debt problem is in the US?


I am an employee of a prestigious university in The Netherlands. I meet many students from the US who decided to run away from debt education.

Let me tell you who is really dishonest and to be blamed. It is primarily the US government that has turned education into a profit business model. Of course one could argue that the students are to be blamed because they supposedly know what they are signing for, but things are obviously not that simple. Any civilized government and banking system in the world would try to find a healthy balance between providing fair education to its young masses and earning obscene amounts of profits through unreal loans.
 
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Having studied in the US, these people are losers and irresponsible outliers in society. There are many ways to get your school paid for if you do not qualify for a scholarship or grant ( of which billions are paid out each year). Further, most of the students take out loans to party while in school, and to pay for tuition and books. I guarantee you 30-40% of their loans stem from using loan money to travel, party, even pay for apartments while in school. Yes, the educational loan system in the US is on steroids, however it is up to the adult who chooses to take out a loan to do so responsibly. Good luck in India bud, I am curious to know what will happen when these people enter into old age-- I am sure the pension system in India and Ukraine is amazing!

Man up and pay it back, if you need to live with your parents you can do so until you pay it back.
 
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Do you know how big the student debt problem is in the US?


I am an employee of a prestigious university in The Netherlands. I meet many students from the US who decided to run away from debt education.

Let me tell you who is really dishonest and to be blamed. It is primarily the US government that has turned education into a profit business model. Of course one could argue that the students are to be blamed because they supposedly know what they are signing for, but things are obviously not that simple. Any civilized government and banking system in the world would try to find a healthy balance between providing fair education to its young masses and earning obscene amounts of profits through unreal loans.

$20000 or $30000 is low for a student loan, to be honest. Many, and many, people take loans, study, and find jobs, and repay their loans.

More than the Government, it is the private industry that is to be blamed. They have set tuition so high at over $50000 a year for out-of-state students, the debt managing companies are full of scammers as well.

But it's not as if it is impossible. Specially, if your debt is low like $20000. I think the person is just being dishonest here.
 
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dishonest people ,they should pay their debt.
indian students go to america by taking loan from indian banks , after completing education they repay loans honestly doing jobs in america , that is why indians are grouped in highest income groups in america .

not because every family member works 16 hours a day in 7-11??
 
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It is very easy for some you to lecture these young students on how they are being irresponsible and that they need to pay their loans. These are young people just starting their lives with no knowledge on how money and debt works. But this is not the point. The point is that a Society that does not provide free education to its people but sells education via imposing a system where young human beings becomes debt slaves, it is a Moronic authoritarian society that traps its young people in debts and slavery.

This beautiful World has been turned into such a fuc.ked up place. Pathetic!
 
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$20000 or $30000 is low for a student loan, to be honest. Many, and many, people take loans, study, and find jobs, and repay their loans.

More than the Government, it is the private industry that is to be blamed. They have set tuition so high at over $50000 a year for out-of-state students, the debt managing companies are full of scammers as well.

But it's not as if it is impossible. Specially, if your debt is low like $20000. I think the person is just being dishonest here.

There are students who owe much more than 20000 or 30000. Those who owe such amounts are lucky.

It is very easy for some you to lecture these young students on how they are being irresponsible and that they need to pay their loans. These are young people just starting their lives with no knowledge on how money and debt works. But this is not the point. The point is that a Society that does not provide free education to its people but sells education via imposing a system where young human beings becomes debt slaves, it is a Moronic authoritarian society that traps its young people in debts and slavery.

This beautiful World has been turned into such a fuc.ked up place. Pathetic!

Exactly. These students don't have much options. In fact this is pretty much the only option how you can study in the US. The difference is that you can take obscene amounts of loans.

not because every family member works 16 hours a day in 7-11??

That is why India has been taken out of preferential visa schemes etc.
 
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Do you know how big the student debt problem is in the US?


I am an employee of a prestigious university in The Netherlands. I meet many students from the US who decided to run away from debt education.

Let me tell you who is really dishonest and to be blamed. It is primarily the US government that has turned education into a profit business model. Of course one could argue that the students are to be blamed because they supposedly know what they are signing for, but things are obviously not that simple. Any civilized government and banking system in the world would try to find a healthy balance between providing fair education to its young masses and earning obscene amounts of profits through unreal loans.

How many people in your prestigious university graduate with Philosophy degrees and then complain no company will hire them for big bucks?

The problem with student debt is people forking out insane amounts for USELESS degrees and then complaining they can't get a high paying job to pay it back. They think (which is ironic for his Philosophy degree) that the second they graduate they'll be in high demand for big bucks no matter how stupid the degree is. The reality is people need to look at the average salary for a given degree and its demand.

There are no shortage of people who get insane loans when they are in college only to be wishy-washy about what they want to do in life. When confronted with a list of majors they go and blow it by picking what they think is a "safe" generic degree like "Liberal Arts" or "Philosophy". This gets them a bottom of the barrel job when they graduate. They will then struggle to pay their loans off. If you want a useless degree go get it at a cheap state college not some expensive private college.

I remember seeing this girl from my college graduation class working in the same supermarket job I used to do when I was in high school (except it was full-time for her). WTF!!! Is that the dumbest way to blow money or what?
 
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How many people in your prestigious university graduate with Philosophy degrees and then complain no company will hire them for big bucks?

The problem with student debt is people forking out insane amounts for USELESS degrees and then complaining they can't get a high paying job to pay it back. They think (which is ironic for his Philosophy degree) that the second they graduate they'll be in high demand for big bucks no matter how stupid the degree is. The reality is people need to look at the average salary for a given degree and its demand.

There are no shortage of people who get insane loans when they are in college only to be wishy-washy about what they want to do in life. When confronted with a list of majors they go and blow it by picking what they think is a "safe" generic degree like "Liberal Arts" or "Philosophy". This gets them a bottom of the barrel job when they graduate. They will then struggle to pay their loans off. If you want a useless degree go get it at a cheap state college not some expensive private college.

I remember seeing this girl from my college graduation class working in the same supermarket job I used to do when I was in high school (except it was full-time for her). WTF!!! Is that the dumbest way to blow money or what?
And then some of them get into escort business to clear the loan.
 
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And then some of them get into escort business to clear the loan.

Never heard of that. I do know one of the smartest girls in my elementary school class (IQ of 140) who went to a well known expensive women's Liberal Arts college. She lives in some shack (figuratively not literally) with her husband and has a government secretarial job. I just wince thinking about it.
 
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