The US Relies On Chinese Imports To Produce PPE

[beijingwalker]

Just watch from the sidelines and protect ourselves from collateral damage.While the west and you go at it.

The west is busy fighting among themselves to get their hands on Chinese supplies.

 

[casual]

Educate yourself please - or continue to sing your hymns for the little pink book.
Start with the exploration and production of hydrocarbons that produce the polymers that produce melt blown fabric that produce the mask. Who makes the machines that make the melt blown fabric?

China produces half the worlds supply because pre-COVID the price of a single N95 mask was 5 cents, today its 2.50 $.Pre COVID the US made 1.5 billion N95 masks per year - post COVID the US will be fully self sufficient as will the Europeans, the Japanese, the Koreans....you get the picture.

if you do your research, china also makes most of the machines that make meltblown nonwoven fabric. the US wants to increase production of masks but is running into trouble sourcing meltblown fabric.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

no surprise here - we have always offloaded manufacture to China and increasingly to other countries

Basically do we pay our companies to do this in our backyard or a Chinese company to do it in their backyard

if you do your research, china also makes most of the machines that make meltblown nonwoven fabric. .

Well apparently there are not many in the world and even China buys German machines.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/here...asks-to-protect-against.658969/#post-12187735
Here's Why Even Chinese Factories Cannot Quickly Ramp Up Production of Facemasks to Protect Against

 

[beijingwalker]

Basically do we pay our companies to do this in our backyard or a Chinese company to do it in their backyard

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Well apparently there are not many in the world and even China buys German machines.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/here...asks-to-protect-against.658969/#post-12187735
Here's Why Even Chinese Factories Cannot Quickly Ramp Up Production of Facemasks to Protect Against

Then why over half of the world masks are made in China and why all the western countries are fighting each other to try to get their hands on Chinese masks? US even hijacked Chinese masks bound for Europe and Canada.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Then why over half of the world masks are made in China and why all the western countries are fighting each other to try to get their hands on Chinese masks? US even hijacked Chinese masks bound for Europe and Canada.

We intercepted 3M masks because they are of good quality made in Chinese factories run by American companies while the N95 made by Chinese companies are just shit and unreliable.

Look what happened just yesterday:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/canada-china-respirators-coronavirus-205461
Canada: 1 million respirators acquired from China unfit for coronavirus fight

Canada's public health authority says around one million KN95 respirators acquired from China have failed to meet federal Covid-19 standards for use by frontline health professionals.



I know people in China are accustomed to buying shoddy stuff from Chinese manufacturers but we aren't.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...rced-to-leave-china-without-precious-ppe.html
"With American 3M masks, they go straight to their destinations once they cross the border. Canada tests Chinese goods when they land in Canada"

How much more of a slap in the face do you need to wake up that your companies are regarded as purveyors of crap???

 

[antonius123]

We intercepted 3M masks because they are of good quality made in Chinese factories run by American companies while the N95 made by Chinese companies are just shit and unreliable.

Look what happened just yesterday:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/canada-china-respirators-coronavirus-205461
Canada: 1 million respirators acquired from China unfit for coronavirus fight

Canada's public health authority says around one million KN95 respirators acquired from China have failed to meet federal Covid-19 standards for use by frontline health professionals.



I know people in China are accustomed to buying shoddy stuff from Chinese manufacturers but we aren't.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...rced-to-leave-china-without-precious-ppe.html
"With American 3M masks, they go straight to their destinations once they cross the border. Canada tests Chinese goods when they land in Canada"

How much more of a slap in the face do you need to wake up that your companies are regarded as purveyors of crap???

Sorry that is bias and wrong conclusion that you make.

In fact FDA has approved KN95
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...eversal-fda-now-fully-approves-kn95-masks-for
While:
There are so many faulty N95
https://www.wsj.com/articles/faulty-n95-masks-hamper-hospitals-on-coronavirus-front-line-11586437345

This proves N95 is not better than KN95.

The reason why there are so many faulty sold worldwide:
1. Severe shortage in the market.
2. Production pushed to the limit hence increase the level of faulty.

As simple as that

During the normal situation the defective products are scrapped; during this severe shortage they were also sold either in different package or included in the same good package. They dont meet FDA standard for frontliner but may be still better than average medical mask.


Maker of masks for health care workers accused of making defective earplugs for military

3M, the maker of tens of millions of respirator masks to be purchased by the U.S. government for health care workers battling the novel coronavirus, was accused several years ago of knowingly selling defective earplugs to the military in a federal lawsuit settled with the U.S. Justice Department.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/maker...rs-accused-making-defective/story?id=69844103

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Sorry that is bias and wrong conclusion that you make.

In fact FDA has approved KN95

Yes, they have. Now notice who makes them

Notice it says 3M KN95 (model 9501)

It doesn't mean we are saying Chinese companies are suddenly dependable. We are using masks other than N95.


Chinese companies are so dodgy the Chinese government buys 3M.

Look who is also wearing a 3M KN95 model 9501

Other 3M masks

Other 3M masks

 

[antonius123]

Yes, they have. Now notice who makes them

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Notice it says 3M KN95 (model 9501)

It doesn't mean we are saying Chinese companies are suddenly dependable. We are using masks other than N95.


Chinese companies are so dodgy the Chinese government buys 3M.

Look who is also wearing a 3M KN95 model 9501

Other 3M masks

Other 3M masks

Not really.

Cherry picked picture doesn't mean China manufacturers are dodgy esp toward government. That is logical failure.

I've shown you above ..... in fact 3M is dodgy too, even to US government/military

Maker of masks for health care workers accused of making defective earplugs for military

3M, the maker of tens of millions of respirator masks to be purchased by the U.S. government for health care workers battling the novel coronavirus, was accused several years ago of knowingly selling defective earplugs to the military in a federal lawsuit settled with the U.S. Justice Department.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/maker...rs-accused-making-defective/story?id=69844103

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Not really.

Cherry picked picture doesn't mean China manufacturers are dodgy esp toward government. That is logical failure.

I've shown you above ..... in fact 3M is dodgy too, even to US government/military

Maker of masks for health care workers accused of making defective earplugs for military

3M, the maker of tens of millions of respirator masks to be purchased by the U.S. government for health care workers battling the novel coronavirus, was accused several years ago of knowingly selling defective earplugs to the military in a federal lawsuit settled with the U.S. Justice Department.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/maker...rs-accused-making-defective/story?id=69844103

This shows the sad sad sad state of Chinese mask makers credibility

16 April 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gical-masks-coronavirus-test-kits-states.html
China is 'not allowing US companies to ship millions of surgical masks and coronavirus test kits' back to the States

"A Communist Party official in Shanghai reportedly told the Minnesota-based 3M that the city ‘relies on 3M’s locally produced N-95 respirators for its COVID-19 prevention efforts and lacks viable alternatives.’"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237283382905704448

Read that as Chinese companies produce shit and Xi himself only trusts the American company 3M's N95 for his safety.What a slap at Chinese mask makers!


How much more clear can it be?????

 

[antonius123]

This shows the sad sad sad state of Chinese mask makers credibility

16 April 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gical-masks-coronavirus-test-kits-states.html
China is 'not allowing US companies to ship millions of surgical masks and coronavirus test kits' back to the States

"A Communist Party official in Shanghai reportedly told the Minnesota-based 3M that the city ‘relies on 3M’s locally produced N-95 respirators for its COVID-19 prevention efforts and lacks viable alternatives.’"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237283382905704448

Read that as Chinese companies produce shit and Xi himself only trusts the American company 3M's N95 for his safety.What a slap at Chinese mask makers!


How much more clear can it be?????

Lack viable alternatives mean: not many local companies can produce N95 or KN95, doesn't mean 3M is the only producer in china produce high quality respirators. Just to remind you that above you have admitted KN95 is also same good.

In fact US has imported so many respirators from China recently without complaint about quality; so which brands that US imported from China since you said China prohibit 3M to export their products to US?

Look at pictures below, does it seem 3M brand?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Lack viable alternatives mean: not many local companies can produce N95 or KN95, doesn't mean 3M is the only producer in china produce high quality respirators. Just to remind you that above you have admitted KN95 is also same good.

In fact US has imported so many respirators from China recently without complaint about quality; so which brands that US imported from China since you said China prohibit 3M to export their products to US?

Look at pictures below, does it seem 3M brand?

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Since there is no name on them you haven't shown anything to address my assertion. 3M also makes masks like this with no name on them. So theoretically they could also be 3M.

Here's a 3M mask with no name. There are several kinds

 

[antonius123]

Since there is no name on them you haven't shown anything to address my assertion. 3M also makes masks like this with no name on them. So theoretically they could also be 3M.

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Here's a 3M mask with no name. There are several kinds

Look at this ... :

And there are still 7 pages more...

https://www.fda.gov/media/136663/download

Your country approve almost 100 respirators brands from China

California to purchase masks from Chinese EV maker BYD
Company says it can produce 5m masks per day

YIFAN YU, Nikkei staff writer April 09, 2020 06:54 JST

BYD has been producing masks and disinfectants in China since February. (Photo courtesy of BYD)

PALO ALTO, U.S. -- California has reached an agreement with Chinese electric carmaker BYD to supply the state with much-needed personal protection gears including masks, the governor's office said at a COVID-19 briefing Wednesday.

BYD America, the North America subsidiary of the leading Chinese electric vehicle manufacturer, "has a direct reach back into China and is able to build a pipeline of a sustainable amount of monthly mass [personal protection equipment supplies] that will be coming in to assist us here in California," said Mark Ghilarducci, the state's director emergency services.

On Feb. 8, BYD opened a newly built production plant in Shenzhen, China, to meet the worldwide shortage of masks and disinfectants. The plant, which BYD claims to be "the world's largest" mask-making facility, is able to produce 5 million masks and 300,000 bottles of disinfectant per day, according to a company release.

"A production line for high-quality face masks requires about 1,300 parts for various gears, chains, and rollers, 90% of which are BYD's self-made parts," said Sherry Li, director-general of BYD's president office.

Ghilarducci said he was confident BYD could meet the demand for crucial medical supplies in the state, which as of Wednesday had more than 17,000 confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus, according to Johns Hopkins University.

"This is an organization that has a manufacturing capability that is specifically designed to meet this need," he said.

BYD's manufacturing capability might not be the only reason why California chose the company. Headquartered in Los Angeles, BYD America has a 450,000-sq.-foot bus manufacturing facility in Lancaster, California, and employs over 750 workers in the U.S., according to the company website.

"This is a great partnership because it [BYD America] is a California-based company, and it's also one that we have been working with in the area in the climate space," Ghilarducci said.

Details of the agreement between the state of California and BYD, including where the personal protection gear will be manufactured, have not been disclosed.

On Wednesday, Taiwanese iPhone assembler Foxconn, the world's largest contract manufacturer, said it will begin producing ventilators in the U.S. to help alleviate a shortage in the country.

Foxconn said it will team up with Minnesota-based medical device company Medtronic to make the ventilators at its Wisconsin plant.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/California-to-purchase-masks-from-Chinese-EV-maker-BYD

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Look at this ... :

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https://www.fda.gov/media/136663/download

Your country approve almost 100 respirators brands from China

Yeah Appendix A. it specifically says Non-NIOSH-Approved Respirators.

https://www.faegredrinker.com/en/in...oor-to-respirators-from-chinese-manufacturers
FDA Opens Door to Respirators From Chinese Manufacturers, Revises Respirator Enforcement Policy

On April 3, 2020, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a new emergency use authorization (EUA) for Non-NIOSH-Approved Disposable Filtering Facepiece Respirators (FFRs) Manufactured in China. This EUA supplements the March 28, 20201 EUA for Non-NIOSH-Approved Imported FFRs, which authorized the emergency use of use of certain imported disposable FFRs that are not NIOSH-approved (we discussed this authorization in a previous client alert). Notably, the March 28 EUA does not authorize any respirators manufactured in China in part due to FDA’s concerns about fraudulent respirators. In the April 3 EUA, FDA lists respirator models from authorized Chinese manufacturers in Appendix A.

 

[antonius123]

Yeah Appendix A. it specifically says Non-NIOSH-Approved Respirators.

https://www.faegredrinker.com/en/in...oor-to-respirators-from-chinese-manufacturers
FDA Opens Door to Respirators From Chinese Manufacturers, Revises Respirator Enforcement Policy

On April 3, 2020, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a new emergency use authorization (EUA) for Non-NIOSH-Approved Disposable Filtering Facepiece Respirators (FFRs) Manufactured in China. This EUA supplements the March 28, 20201 EUA for Non-NIOSH-Approved Imported FFRs, which authorized the emergency use of use of certain imported disposable FFRs that are not NIOSH-approved (we discussed this authorization in a previous client alert). Notably, the March 28 EUA does not authorize any respirators manufactured in China in part due to FDA’s concerns about fraudulent respirators. In the April 3 EUA, FDA lists respirator models from authorized Chinese manufacturers in Appendix A.

Doesnt make any difference in term of standard quality. Non-NiOSH approval still need to have a certificate of approval from an authorized test laboratory confirming that they meet the standards identified in the CDC Guidance described in the Crisis Contingency Strategy. That mean the quality need to be the same as NIOSH approval.
https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2020/04/23/imported-respirators/


And ..... this is the list of manufacturers of the respirators approved by NIOSH:
NIOSH-Approved N95 Particulate Filtering Facepiece Respirators
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/N95list1sect3.html

There are plenty of Chinese manufacturers too there

two of them:

https://www.cemask.com/

http://www.dashengmask.com/

 

[Thamizh Puli]

This shows the sad sad sad state of Chinese mask makers credibility

16 April 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gical-masks-coronavirus-test-kits-states.html
China is 'not allowing US companies to ship millions of surgical masks and coronavirus test kits' back to the States

"A Communist Party official in Shanghai reportedly told the Minnesota-based 3M that the city ‘relies on 3M’s locally produced N-95 respirators for its COVID-19 prevention efforts and lacks viable alternatives.’"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237283382905704448

Read that as Chinese companies produce shit and Xi himself only trusts the American company 3M's N95 for his safety.What a slap at Chinese mask makers!


How much more clear can it be?????

Chinese trolls are becoming increasing desperate and it doesn't matter how much evidence you show of the CCP screw up. But I compliment on your persistence and patience with them.