The US cannot afford an open conflict with Pakistan

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Then send back all the subsidized military equipment, and forget all the training they've given your forces, not to mention aid to your suffering in times of need. With all that taken away, you guys resemble North Korea, on a religious binge.

U can get the 18 billion in AID just after you give us back 40000 civilians,6000 soldiers and 70 billion $ worth infra and our booming economy back tht we lost after joing USA in the war on terror.

Not to forget the use of our ports and roads.


Also i hope u know tht a billion $ in aid doesnt run Pakistans economy............ But what would a indian flase flagger know abt it.

 

[Dhruv V Singh]

America's annual defence budget is 4 times larger than Pakistans GDP. America cannot afford open conflict with Pakistan? Sure thing.

 

[AAtish]

America's annual defence budget is 4 times larger than Pakistans GDP. America cannot afford open conflict with Pakistan? Sure thing.

Yes.. sure thing.. read the previous 5 pages of this thread..

 

[Juice]

I am taking this information from this: Operation Badar: May 26, 2011 ~ Terminal X website, nothing weird about it. Can we stop making this personal? It's against forum policies to attack forum members with personal insults.

Where did I insult you? Mere statement of fact

 

[Dhruv V Singh]

Yes.. sure thing.. read the previous 5 pages of this thread..

I'd rather not , i went through couple of pages, a lot of unsubstantiated bs, I am over my bs threshold for today

 

[53fd]

"Most figures today are extremely underreported."

Oh really? You know this how, pray tell?

If true, though, what do you say to THESE underreported figures?

Afghan Civilian Deaths 2010-GUARDIAN March 11, 2011

Dude, I've given you day-to-day statistics, it is much more detailed than the statistics you've been pulling out from God knows where.

U.N.A.M.A. reported that the Afghan taliban killed nearly three-quarter of the afghan civilians whom died because of this conflict last year. 75%. Underreported? Therefore actually larger? That number isn't unusual either. They've consistently killed more civilians than I.S.A.F-and the numbers have been growing yearly.

When did I say the Taliban were not responsible for many of these killings? I didn't. What it did say was that the foolhardy 'endeavors' of the US & NATO Forces have made Afghanistan worse off & more dangerous than before.

Taliban Presence-2009

They've not done a map for 2010. Still, having a "heavy" insurgent presence in 2009 is denoted by one or more lethal or nonlethal attack per week. Not per hour. Not per day. 52 attacks in a year, whether somebody dies or not, is sufficient for a "heavy" presence in an area.

Again, you're just proving my point that these statistics are underreported.

What would a map of Pakistan look like with similar criteria?

Every small killing in Pakistan is reported. Even when one person is killed inside Pakistan, it is reported. However, Pakistan didn't have 28 attacks on May 20, 26 attacks on May 22, 25 on May 23, 24 on May 24, 37 on May 25, & 31 on May 26 like Afghanistan & the US/NATO Forces did

 

[AAtish]

I'd rather not , i went through couple of pages, a lot of unsubstantiated bs, I am over my bs threshold for today

Then stop posting! or do you want us to go over our threshold also?

 

[S-2]

"Dude, I've given you day-to-day statistics, it is much more detailed than the statistics you've been pulling out."

Bull. You've given a one-sided, unverified accounting as rendered by the taliban. I see no statistical compilation.

The U.N.'s data is cross-checked through Human Rights Watch and the Afghan Independant Commission On Human Rights.

"...What it did say was that the foolhardy 'endeavors' of the US & NATO Forces have made Afghanistan worse off & more dangerous than before..."

Well..., sure. I suppose the U.N., I.S.A.F. and America could surrender to the taliban, leave and allow the country to slip into complete civil war. Bilal, U.N.A.M.A estimates Afghan civilian casualties in this war of 10,059 since 2006. The Afghan civil war caused over 200,000 KIA among its citizens. The Afghan-Soviet war had estimates ranging anywhere from 900,000-3,000,000 dead.

There's no comparison yet, when it comes to killing Afghan civilians now there's also NO COMPARISON. The taliban far and away are culpable. Too often, worse, they've killed by absolutely targeted intent. Not once has anybody accused the U.S. or any ISAF ally of targeting civilians in this war. However, intimidation and violence is a tactic of the taliban.

"Again, you're just proving my point that these statistics are underreported."

Hardly. ICOS data proves that district attacks averaging one per week are the benchmark for violence in Afghanistan today.

That's construed as "heavy".

I won't speak for you but I'm somewhat underwhelmed by the ferocity of the Afghan taliban when it comes to attacking American troops.

"However, Pakistan didn't have 28 attacks on May 20, 26 attacks on May 22, 25 on May 23, 24 on May 24, 37 on May 25, & 31 on May 26 like Afghanistan & the US/NATO Forces did."

I've already questioned the veracity of your sourcing. I'll also question the dubious sampling offered here.

Worse though, how, again have 34,000 civilians and 5,000 Pakistani troops (Asim Aquil's figures from elsewhere) managed to die since 2006?

Yeah, such a peaceful place.

 

[53fd]

"Dude, I've given you day-to-day statistics, it is much more detailed than the statistics you've been pulling out."

Bull. You've given a one-sided, unverified accounting as rendered by the taliban. I see no statistical compilation.

The U.N.'s data is cross-checked through Human Rights Watch and the Afghan Independant Commission On Human Rights.

"...What it did say was that the foolhardy 'endeavors' of the US & NATO Forces have made Afghanistan worse off & more dangerous than before..."

Well..., sure. I suppose the U.N., I.S.A.F. and America could surrender to the taliban, leave and allow the country to slip into complete civil war. Bilal, U.N.A.M.A estimates Afghan civilian casualties in this war of 10,059 since 2006. The Afghan civil war caused over 200,000 KIA among its citizens. The Afghan-Soviet war had estimates ranging anywhere from 900,000-3,000,000 dead.

There's no comparison yet, when it comes to killing Afghan civilians now there's also NO COMPARISON. The taliban far and away are culpable. Too often, worse, they've killed by absolutely targeted intent. Not once has anybody accused the U.S. or any ISAF ally of targeting civilians in this war. However, intimidation and violence is a tactic of the taliban.

"Again, you're just proving my point that these statistics are underreported."

Hardly. ICOS data proves that district attacks averaging one per week are the benchmark for violence in Afghanistan today.

That's construed as "heavy".

I won't speak for you but I'm somewhat underwhelmed by the ferocity of the Afghan taliban when it comes to attacking American troops.

"However, Pakistan didn't have 28 attacks on May 20, 26 attacks on May 22, 25 on May 23, 24 on May 24, 37 on May 25, & 31 on May 26 like Afghanistan & the US/NATO Forces did."

I've already questioned the veracity of your sourcing. I'll also question the dubious sampling offered here.

Worse though, how, again have 34,000 civilians and 5,000 Pakistani troops (Asim Aquil's figures from elsewhere) managed to die since 2006?

Yeah, such a peaceful place.

Don't worry, it'll be a lot better when the terrorists like Qari Zia Rehman, Mullah Fazlullah & the Mehsuds don't get their safe havens in Afghan provinces. Btw, what is the source that says that 34,000 civilians & 5,000 Pakistani troops have died since 2006?

 

[Juice]

Don't worry, it'll be a lot better when the terrorists like Qari Zia Rehman, Mullah Fazlullah & the Mehsuds don't get their safe havens in Afghan provinces. Btw, what is the source that says that 34,000 civilians & 5,000 Pakistani troops have died since 2006?

I wouldn't know the source but every post in this forum quotes 30,-35,000 dead in Pakistan. Are all these post wrong?

 

[AAtish]

I wouldn't know the source but every post in this forum quotes 30,-35,000 dead in Pakistan. Are all these post wrong?

Global war on terror claims 30,000 casualties

Channel 4: Cameron: Britain will carry to support Pakistan

F&CWO: While bin laden is gone, threat of Al Qaeda remains

 

[S-2]

"Don't worry, it'll be a lot better when the terrorists like Qari Zia Rehman, Mullah Fazlullah & the Mehsuds don't get their safe havens in Afghan provinces."

Safe havens?

Don't make me laugh. U.S. troops have been engaged against Qari Zia Rehman in Kunar for years. Last month six troops died in a single day while in combat against his forces.

That's hardly a safe haven.

Rehman's own words to Syed Saleem Shahzad of the Asia Times-

Ducking And Diving Under B-52s-Asia Times May 22, 2008

A Fighter And Financier Pt. II-Asia Times May 23, 2008

Hmmm...a bounty and constant attack by air and ground forces. Yup, just like what Haqqani faces from you guys in Mir Ali and Miran Shah.

America makes no distinction regarding the taliban, unlike Pakistan. They are ALL our enemies. There are no "good" taliban and "bad" taliban. Allow the light of truth to cut through your fog and remember, also, that we killed Nek Mohammad, Baitullah Mehsud and would happily kill Hakimullah Mehsud if we could get our hands on that worthless fcuk.

Not so with Pakistan's army, government and people.

Your sovereignty was willingly surrendered to the Afghan taliban in late November 2001 and has been ever since. If you won't go after the men who make war on Afghanistan then we shall.

If you oppose that it is only because you are the enemy of Afghanistan, the U.N., America and ISAF. Simple though sad.

We should be at war, bilal. You should have a one-way ticket back to Pakistan where you could prove your devotion by fighting Americans. That would be right and proper.

 

[S-2]

"...Btw, what is the source that says that 34,000 civilians & 5,000 Pakistani troops have died since 2006?"

I quoted my source-

"...(Asim Aquil's figures from elsewhere)..."

Ask Asim. Here's what I found from a site called UMMID.com-

"...According to data released by Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), from 9/11 till now, 30,452 people have been killed or injured. These include 21,672 civilians and 8,785 military personnel.

In 2009 alone, when the Pakistani military went into action against the Taliban in the country’s restive northwest, 10,000 people were killed, Online news agency reported.

While the breakup of civilian casualties was not given, the ISPR said 78 Pakistani military officers and 2,273 soldiers were killed, while 6,512 were injured..."

Global War On Terror Claims 30,000 Pakistani Casualties-UMMID.com Feb. 18, 2010

Note the date. It's over 15 months old.

 

[53fd]

America makes no distinction regarding the taliban, unlike Pakistan. They are ALL our enemies. There are no "good" taliban and "bad" taliban.

But America does want to engage in a peace process with the Taliban, & has been actively doing that for quite time; while bashing Pakistan for doing the same in Swat. Remember that ?

Your sovereignty was willingly surrendered to the Afghan taliban in late November 2001 and has been ever since. If you won't go after the men who make war on Afghanistan then we shall.

The US has already started the peace talks with the Taliban, in terms of future power sharing. Hillary Clinton, on the night of the OBL raid, asked the Taliban to distance themselves from the Al-Qaeda.

We should be at war, bilal. You should have a one-way ticket back to Pakistan where you could prove your devotion by fighting Americans. That would be right and proper.

Calm down, not everyone is a belligerent warmonger like you are

I actually love the American people, I think they are great people. There are a huge number of white native Americans (& Americans of all colors) tired of the buffoonery & the foolhardy 'endeavors' of the leadership that has completely ruined this country & its credibility around the world. I have seen how this country has collapsed economically since 2001.

 

[AAtish]

America makes no distinction regarding the taliban, unlike Pakistan. They are ALL our enemies. There are no "good" taliban and "bad" taliban.

Yup!! So true!!

US in direct talks with Taliban

Germany helps mediate US talks with Taliban

US reportedly accelerates talks with Taliban

US steps up face to face peace talks with Taliban

And with Al Qaeda:

US Government backs Libyan Al Qaeda

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al qaeda links

NATO Commander Signs of Al Qaeda in Libyan Rebels