The unreasonable criticism on Pakistan's defense budget

[HRK]

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Military Pensions alone is more than the entire expenditure of all 4 provinces combined. Let that sink in for a moment. Just the pension !. What kind of a nation are we? Why do we continue to put up with this crap when there are millions of people inside Pakistan dying of hunger , diseases and unemployment. At this point I can only think of North Korea which is similar in this regard.

what an absurd argument can you post the provincial government expenditures .... from their respective official source here ..... ???

Secondly what do you want we should not give a retired government person his dues .... ???

 

[Death Professor]

@BHarwana @waz @The Eagle

Approximately same topic, just trying to portray it like its not the norm, or haven't been the norm. Merge:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...akistans-defense-budget.671084/#post-12427956

 

[Hareeb]

There has been a lack of professionalism in state institutions since nationalism. Hiring on political allegiance or through bribes has been high in last 4 decades. Being the state of un-professionalism in govt departments: you hire 10 when you need one, this had to happen one day.

 

[nahtanbob]

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Military Pensions alone is more than the entire expenditure of all 4 provinces combined. Let that sink in for a moment. Just the pension !. What kind of a nation are we? Why do we continue to put up with this crap when there are millions of people inside Pakistan dying of hunger , diseases and unemployment. At this point I can only think of North Korea which is similar in this regard.

75% of pensions are for military personnel. This is in a country with no social security and no medicare

 

[PakAlp]

If the civilians are such failures, why keep them in charge? Perhaps the current model of governance is not working for Pakistan. Why not use a top-down approach like China, where one party, controlling teams of technocrats, run things and make decisions?

One can make the argument that Pakistan did better under military rule than under civilian rule.

It's a fact that it's not working. We have snakes ruling our great state. I would say we need a powerful independent technocratic group of people who can make the long term policy of our government. Let the political parties go to elections and get elected, the main policies should be made by the technocratic people who could make policies for 50years and keep amending them as new challenges emerge, then let the government implement it. One problem is when we change government after 5 years, the new government takes a new direction, then after 5 years a new direction. We are suffering alot because of this.

 

[Khan_21]

The moment somebody goes to CMH just tell the fauji on gate or the receptionist that you are civilian. Just notice the change in their tone and facial expression. This mentality has been ingrained in our mindset since 1947

 

[Morpheus]

Military Pensions alone is more than the entire expenditure of all 4 provinces combined.

HOW?

From you own highlighted pic:

Pension of military is 327,088 / 354,939 / 369,000

Province expenditure is 431,246 / 445,862 / 475,738

In what world is 431,246 < 327,088 , 445,862 < 354,939 , 475,738 < 369,000

 

[HRK]

Our nation is usually in love with generals who loot , kill and plunder our nation. What do they call us I am forgetting. Oh yes I remember it sounds something familiar like Bloody civilians.

would you prove your claim which you made or would just spread misinformation on the basis of hatred, ignorance and agenda .... ????

Province expenditure is 431,246 / 445,862 / 475,738

these are not the "Provincial Expenditure" but expenditures of Federal Government funded programs in Provinces .... most people make this silly mistakes

Provincial Expenditures are always shown in their respective Budget Documents

 

[Caprxl]

what an absurd argument can you post the provincial government expenditures .... from their respective official source here ..... ???

Secondly what do you want we should not give a retired government person his dues .... ???

I think he does not even know how pension is calculated and is given. How employee's own savings are used for paying employees at retirement & pension funds.

 

[litman]

all pakistanis who are criticising defence budget must be told that next time they should go to LOC and bring down indian jets with slingshot.

 

[El Sidd]

all pakistanis who are criticising defence budget must be told that next time they should go to LOC and bring down indian jets with slingshot.

Ertuguls

 

[HRK]

I think he does not even know how pension is calculated and is given. How employee's own savings are used for paying employees at retirement & pension funds.

would not be surprised, If this is the case

 

[ziaulislam]

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Military Pensions alone is more than the entire expenditure of all 4 provinces combined. Let that sink in for a moment. Just the pension !. What kind of a nation are we? Why do we continue to put up with this crap when there are millions of people inside Pakistan dying of hunger , diseases and unemployment. At this point I can only think of North Korea which is similar in this regard.

How is 300 billion more than 7 trillion ..
I mean what are you on herione or marijuana

 

[El Sidd]

How is 300 billion more than 7 trillion ..
I mean what are you on herione or marijuana

PTI Powdery

Ye saray item PTI me hain

'Wake up bloody civilian'

Bhutto is awake. Kafi nahi hai lol

 

[Flight of falcon]

What a stupid and idiotic and over simplified thread.
Pensions of defence personells

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Military Pensions alone is more than the entire expenditure of all 4 provinces combined. Let that sink in for a moment. Just the pension !. What kind of a nation are we? Why do we continue to put up with this crap when there are millions of people inside Pakistan dying of hunger , diseases and unemployment. At this point I can only think of North Korea which is similar in this regard.

Really stupid and uneducated logic.

So you see this table and pick and choose and go after the pensions. Pensions allocated to a military section include all the civilian employees that work under the ministry of defence and include FWO, civilians working for the defence department and all the factories and construction/maintenance workers hired by the ministry of defence. This is really a very large number.

secondly, provincial government expenditures are just what they sound like....to run the provincial government. They do not include the transfer payments that the federal government will give and other revenues that the provinces will generate on the province level.

Your knowledge and post reek of lack of knowledge and prejuidice against the armed forces.

Like everywhere in the world including your beloved India pension eats away most of the defence budget and the portion of a military pension is always way higher than the civilian pension:

Check out and read carefully how much the pension breakdown and budget is in India:
"Defence pensions, including those for civil employees of the defence ministry, are higher than the pay and allowances for the services, which stand at Rs 1.17 lakh crore. Pensions constitute 28 per cent of the overall expenditure of the defence ministry, even higher than the Rs 1.13 lakh crore earmarked for new acquisitions and modernisation of the armed forces."


https://theprint.in/economy/defence...0-but-overall-allocation-rises-just-3/358304/


here is the reason pls read carefully. It applies to Pakistan as well as we use almost identical system..
Defence pensions are pensions paid from the Defence Services Estimates. Approximately 36 percent of amount budged for defence pensions is on account of defence civilians.[1] The Defence pension bill for 2015–2016 was ₹ 54,500 crores, including pension outlay for about 400,000 defence civilians, and about Rs1000 Crores on account of allowances and establishment of Ministry of Finance personnel attached to MOD.[2] On an average a defence civilian pensioners cost five times lesser than military pensioner.[1] The per capita expenditure on 25 Lakh military veterans is approximately Rs. 5.38 Lakhs annually, in comparison with ₹ 1.38 Lakhs a year for civilian pensioners paid from the defence services estimates. The per capita bill on account of defence civilian pensioners is lower mainly because defence service officers serve longer, reach the highest grades in the pay scales, are eligible for One Rank, One Pension (OROP) pensions, and are entitled to Military service pay and host of allowance]