The United States Should Peacefully Let China Rise

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Dont the events regarding the SCS show the intentions of China,what is peaceful about that?
Why would there be a need for anti-Chinese sentiments when China is peaceful to its neighbours?

Get your fact right, China was not the provocateur in SCS, we just want a quiet SCS so we can concentrate on our economy, China have asked other countries not to alter the status quo regarding SCS but Vietnam and Philippine thought they could out smart us will land reclamations but they underestimate our capability to reclaim the land 100 times faster than them.

Anti-Chinese sentiments because these neighbors are hopeless to compete with China regarding land reclamation in SCS and because they wouldn't dare to use force against China. If our intention is not peacefull we could have sink Vietnamese and Philippine boats in the contest zone with their provocations.

 

[jhungary]

That theory has already been tested and proven false.
During the History of Mankind, the U.S. has only been around for little more than two Centuries.
The time before that was riddled with wars.

The World today is a mess because too many Dictators try to impose their will on others.

lol, these people only points out that US have been "involved" in many war with its history of establishment, little do they know US does not actually "Started" many of their war during the mid 18th Century til now.

Literally, the US only ever started 2 wars (3 if you also counted the so called invasion of Grenada) out of the last 21 war US fought during the last 102 years (1914-2016)

- Invasion of Panama - 1989
- Operation Iraqi Freedom - 2003

Almost all other war are either started by someone and US somehow got sucked in or UN mandated war.

Would not call starting 2 (or 3) wars in the last 100 years or so a "Great" contribution of instability

Dont the events regarding the SCS show the intentions of China,what is peaceful about that?
Why would there be a need for anti-Chinese sentiments when China is peaceful to its neighbours?

The question is always the same.

People, Countries and Government are not so dumb as he said or think, China is a threat not because US said it is, it's because what it does. And the most important part is those country have their own wills and own eyes to judge for themselves.

It always take two to tango, it does not matter how US cry foul and how US cry "aggressive" on China, if other country cannot see it, US can do NOTHING to China, but did the Chinese actually doing nothing? Their action said otherwise.

 

[T-123456]

Get your fact right, China was not the provocateur in SCS, we just want a quiet SCS so we can concentrate on our economy, China have asked other countries not to alter the status quo regarding SCS but Vietnam and Philippine thought they could out smart us will land reclamations but they underestimate our capability to reclaim the land 100 times faster than them.

Anti-Chinese sentiments because these neighbors are hopeless to compete with China regarding land reclamation in SCS and because they wouldn't dare to use force against China. If our intention is not peacefull we could have sink Vietnamese and Philippine boats in the contest zone with their provocations.

You claim almost the whole SCS,build artificial Island ,militarize them,threaten countries like Vietnam and the Philippines and talk about peace?
You are the provocateur,the only one.
All the US is doing is,showing you not to go to far.

The question is always the same.

People, Countries and Government are not so dumb as he said or think, China is a threat not because US said it is, it's because what it does. And the most important part is those country have their own wills and own eyes to judge for themselves.

It always take two to tango, it does not matter how US cry foul and how US cry "aggressive" on China, if other country cannot see it, US can do NOTHING to China, but did the Chinese actually doing nothing? Their action said otherwise.

Maybe China has given a new meaning to the word ''peacefull'' and the other countries of the SCS just dont get it,i guess those countries are just as ''dumb'' as he claims them to be?
How dare they act like that to a peacefull country like China?

 

[anon45]

IF US is peaceful, the world would see much less meaningless wars for last few decades

American hegemony has led to the most peaceful era in human history.

Asia has especially benefitted.

 

[feilong]

That theory has already been tested and proven false.
During the History of Mankind, the U.S. has only been around for little more than two Centuries.
The time before that was riddled with wars.

The World today is a mess because too many Dictators try to impose their will on others.

Lol

 

[xunzi]

The question is always the same.

People, Countries and Government are not so dumb as he said or think, China is a threat not because US said it is, it's because what it does. And the most important part is those country have their own wills and own eyes to judge for themselves.

It always take two to tango, it does not matter how US cry foul and how US cry "aggressive" on China, if other country cannot see it, US can do NOTHING to China, but did the Chinese actually doing nothing? Their action said otherwise.

We go after our interest just as the Philippines and Vietnam do. The difference is we are much more powerful, therefore any moves we made is threatening them. However whatever the Philippines and Vietnam does, it is not threatening to us as we can destroy them easily. That is the double standard and one we always remind people we are a big country and other competent claimants are small. So regardless of whether they feel threaten by us or not, we are not compromise our position on territorial integrity.

You claim almost the whole SCS,build artificial Island ,militarize them,threaten countries like Vietnam and the Philippines and talk about peace?
You are the provocateur,the only one.
All the US is doing is,showing you not to go to far.


Maybe China has given a new meaning to the word ''peacefull'' and the other countries of the SCS just dont get it,i guess those countries are just as ''dumb'' as he claims them to be?
How dare they act like that to a peacefull country like China?

We are the first to put a claim legally before any claimants. We are the last to fortify our islands defense. We also the last to militarize them. As you see, my friend, our patient is running out as these little guys trying to do whatever they want.

 

[gambit]

We are the first to put a claim legally before any claimants. We are the last to fortify our islands defense. We also the last to militarize them. As you see, my friend, our patient is running out as these little guys trying to do whatever they want.

Your claim maybe procedurally legal, but WHAT you claim is not legal.

 

[Viet]

We go after our interest just as the Philippines and Vietnam do. The difference is we are much more powerful, therefore any moves we made is threatening them. However whatever the Philippines and Vietnam does, it is not threatening to us as we can destroy them easily. That is the double standard and one we always remind people we are a big country and other competent claimants are small. So regardless of whether they feel threaten by us or not, we are not compromise our position on territorial integrity.



We are the first to put a claim legally before any claimants. We are the last to fortify our islands defense. We also the last to militarize them. As you see, my friend, our patient is running out as these little guys trying to do whatever they want.

you speak as if you are a true brainless hooligan!
you can destroy VN and PN easily? so what are you big mouth and coward waiting for? come out from your dog hole and join the PLA, start killing our people again, as you have done countless times, and drink their blood.

Get your fact right, China was not the provocateur in SCS, we just want a quiet SCS so we can concentrate on our economy, China have asked other countries not to alter the status quo regarding SCS but Vietnam and Philippine thought they could out smart us will land reclamations but they underestimate our capability to reclaim the land 100 times faster than them.

Anti-Chinese sentiments because these neighbors are hopeless to compete with China regarding land reclamation in SCS and because they wouldn't dare to use force against China. If our intention is not peacefull we could have sink Vietnamese and Philippine boats in the contest zone with their provocations.

utter garbage and so the rest of your post

 

[xunzi]

Your claim maybe procedurally legal, but WHAT you claim is not legal.

If a historic claim is not legal, then nobody can claim the SCS islands as these islands are inherently inhabited. So you can't have it your way. You can't say the Vietnamese or the Pinoy claim is legal while ours is not.

you speak as if you are a true brainless hooligan!
you can destroy VN and PN easily? so what are you waiting for?

I'm speaking from the double standard perception on our country due to the fact we are the bigger force, therefore any action from us to fortify our islands will portray as threatening while your provocative move is not. It is that simple. It has nothing to do with the right or wrong. It is simply we are the big boy that can destroy the little guys, therefore our Western friends did not make a big deal of your provocation.

 

[jhungary]

We go after our interest just as the Philippines and Vietnam do. The difference is we are much more powerful, therefore any moves we made is threatening them. However whatever the Philippines and Vietnam does, it is not threatening to us as we can destroy them easily. That is the double standard and one we always remind people we are a big country and other competent claimants are small. So regardless of whether they feel threaten by us or not, we are not compromise our position on territorial integrity.

Whenever people ask you why China is sees as a threat, you can simply quote the sentence you just said (Highlight in Bold) and even you will know why.

Problem is, while what you said is indeed correct, China is merely going after their own interest, but it's not the "Goal" that set the term apart, but the action, ala, how China get to the point of "Securing" their interest.

Let's use the US as an prime example. US have its interest in North and South America, and believe it or not, US and Mexico was still head to head, toe-to-toe to each other less than 100 years ago, problem is, with successive US President, instead of threats and hostile gesture, the relationship mended in less than 20 years (from a hostile environment) to alliance ship, from Mexico publicly support German Business in WW1 to Mexico joined the Allies side and fought in Europe against the German in WW2.

How about Canada? In the 1930s, the Canadian draw a plan to invade US and defend Canada, while the US draw the War Plan Red, and tariff war waging high and hot between Canada and US during the great depression. What solve the issue? A talk between Herbert Hoover and the British Ambassador Howard in 1927 defuse the tension. Not when US go blasting they could, might and would attack and destroy Canada.

Mexico is small, compare to the United States, and even as with China, United States can crush Mexico any day of the week, they did not do that, instead, FDR promote the "Good Neighbour Policy" were to play a major road to the peace of the region, you never even heard of how US bully Mexico these day, that's because of that, not threat and gesture coming out of the US President reminding we can crush you anytime.

Foreign policy 101, you push, they push back, it does not matter big or small. Make no mistake, it is not what US said push those country to the US, it's always what China did, both US and China says a lot of thing, but a gesture worth a thousand word and when all these country can see is how "Aggressive" and how China can "destroy" them in a blink like you said, what do you think they will do? Roll-Over? Nope, they will look for someone who can stand the bully. And that's the United States.

 

[xunzi]

Whenever people ask you why China is sees as a threat, you can simply quote the sentence you just said (Highlight in Bold) and even you will know why.

Problem is, while what you said is indeed correct, China is merely going after their own interest, but it's not the "Goal" that set the term apart, but the action, ala, how China get to the point of "Securing" their interest.

Let's use the US as an prime example. US have its interest in North and South America, and believe it or not, US and Mexico was still head to head, toe-to-toe to each other less than 100 years ago, problem is, with successive US President, instead of threats and hostile gesture, the relationship mended in less than 20 years (from a hostile environment) to alliance ship, from Mexico publicly support German Business in WW1 to Mexico joined the Allies side and fought in Europe against the German in WW2.

How about Canada? In the 1930s, the Canadian draw a plan to invade US and defend Canada, while the US draw the War Plan Red, and tariff war waging high and hot between Canada and US during the great depression. What solve the issue? A talk between Herbert Hoover and the British Ambassador Howard in 1927 defuse the tension. Not when US go blasting they could, might and would attack and destroy Canada.

Mexico is small, compare to the United States, and even as with China, United States can crush Mexico any day of the week, they did not do that, instead, FDR promote the "Good Neighbour Policy" were to play a major road to the peace of the region, you never even heard of how US bully Mexico these day, that's because of that, not threat and gesture coming out of the US President reminding we can crush you anytime.

Foreign policy 101, you push, they push back, it does not matter big or small. Make no mistake, it is not what US said push those country to the US, it's always what China did, both US and China says a lot of thing, but a gesture worth a thousand word and when all these country can see is how "Aggressive" and how China can "destroy" them in a blink like you said, what do you think they will do? Roll-Over? Nope, they will look for someone who can stand the bully. And that's the United States.

We never said we would not accept peaceful negotiation to settle dispute. Just like the US/Canada or US/Mexico, they did not use a multilateral forums to resolve their territorial dispute. Why do you force us to use multilateral forums? That make no sense. We always open to bilateral talks. And I do like to remind you that we have not use force to settle the disputes. It is a fact.

 

[Viet]

I'm speaking from the double standard perception on our country due to the fact we are the bigger force, therefore any action from us to fortify our islands will portray as threatening while your provocative move is not. It is that simple. It has nothing to do with the right or wrong. It is simply we are the big boy that can destroy the little guys, therefore our Western friends did not make a big deal of your provocation.

America and Russia can easily destroy China, turning your country to nuclear ashes.

Japan can destroy China, too, making you again to slaves.

Germany can destroy half of Europe.

What is your point?

 

[jhungary]

We never said we would not accept peaceful negotiation to settle dispute. Just like the US/Canada or US/Mexico, they did not use a multilateral forums to resolve their territorial dispute. Why do you force us to use multilateral forums? That make no sense. We always open to bilateral talks. And I do like to remind you that we have not use force to settle the disputes. It is a fact.

So I guess this never happened then, as you said China have not use force to settle disputes

Scarborough Shoal standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And by the way, both were solved by "Multi-national" talk, not a bi-lateral dialogue.

US negotiate with the UK on the Dominion of Canada, while US went thru ABC (Argentina, Bolivia and Columbia) to settle the dispute with Mexico

 

[xunzi]

America and Russia can easily destroy China, turning your country to nuclear ashes.

Japan can destroy China, too, making you again to slaves.

Germany can destroy half of Europe.

What is your point?

Read my post again. I'm responding to that guy who said we were the provocateur. It is all relative. Had we been a weak force, small country, and you are the powerful one, our action to fortify our defense would be regard as non-threatening and you will be regard as a threat. It is that simple.

And no, neither American and Russia can easily destroy us. Do not forget, we are a nuclear power.

 

[SirHatesALot]

I dont think anyone lets anyone rise unless we are talking about an erection.