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The Taliban hunters
By Mobeen AzharBBC News, Karachi
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Pakistanis have long been among the world's biggest victims of terrorism, with only Iraq and Afghanistan suffering more fatalities as a result of terror attacks in recent years. For more than a decade the tribal belt in northern Pakistan has been the backdrop for the battle with the Taliban.

More recently the militants have moved into Pakistan's cities, with Karachi becoming a focal point.

I spent three weeks on the frontline embedded with Karachi police with a squad that has become known as the Taliban hunters.

At 01:15 my phone rings. It's Senior Superintendent Ijaz calling to let me know his team will be conducting an anti-Taliban raid later that night. "I have bullet-proofs for you," he tells me. I've been watching Ijaz work for the past two weeks. He's in his 30s but the bags under his eyes suggest he's packed a lot into those years.

By 02:15 I'm picked up from my hotel by a cavalcade of police vehicles and taken to officer Ijaz's central Karachi compound. I arrive in time to hear the pre-raid briefing.

"I'm in the mood to take the suspects alive. Only fire your guns with express orders from me or the other senior officers," Ijaz instructs his squad of 24 Taliban hunters.

Tonight marks the culmination of four weeks of surveillance. The target is a cell of suspected Taliban members. The police have been tracking their phones. They have intelligence suggesting the group is planning a kidnap.

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Image captionMobeen Azhar and Senior Supt Ijaz, the team's leader
Karachi, Pakistan's biggest city, an international port with a population of 24 million people has now been in the Taliban's grip for more than two years. The city has become a cash cow for militants who have "top sliced" Karachi's gangs.

They make money from kidnap and extortion, with target killing and bombing their choice tools of terror. The latest available figures show 132 cases of kidnap were reported in Karachi in 2014, with the Taliban and affiliated groups being the primary suspects in almost all of these cases.

A cavalcade of five police vehicles sets off from the armoured compound. We travel north to the edge of the city. Ittehad town, a spiralling collection of pop-up slums, gullies and unregistered building has long been a no-go area for many Karachiites.

Shootout
The police don't come to this area without back-up. We've come as far as we possibly can in police vehicles. The suspects' hideout is on a street so narrow we have to move forward on foot.

The light from central Karachi is miles behind us. The only sounds are our footsteps, whispering and dogs barking in the distance. With the hideout identified and surrounded, Ijaz gives the signal. Before his team can knock down the door, gunshots are fired from inside the building. "You are surrounded. Get down or we will shoot back."

A shootout plays out in front of my eyes and, after some tense moments, the two suspects are disarmed. Their weapons are seized and they are arrested.

Officer Ijaz explains: "Getting into the area is easy. Getting out is the difficult part." The members of the team leave the hideout and begin to walk back to the vehicles. The barking is now louder and the echo of metal bars being struck together ricochets through the air.

"The Taliban sound an alarm to let their supporters know the police are in the area. It's a call to arms. I have lost colleagues because of this."

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Image captionMobeen Azhar and Senior Supt Ijaz with a suspected Taliban member
We run back to the vehicles with the suspects handcuffed, leaving the Taliban's "alarm" in Ittehad town and returning to the relative safety of the police compound.

Just a few days earlier I had attended the funeral of Superintendent Mohammed Iqbal. He was killed in a Taliban attack outside his police station at the end of a 14-hour shift. He became the 164th officer to die on duty in a 12-month period. The Taliban hunters are in no way a specialist force. Many of them have no formal anti-terror training, and on some days even bullet-proof vests and armoured vehicles are difficult to come by.

Massacre
"We have been stretched to breaking point. It's easy to fight the Taliban in the north of Pakistan because there is a clear target," says officer Ijaz. "But in Karachi it's very difficult because you don't know who your enemy is. They hide out in the slums. We are in a real war."

His force is making some progress, on paper at least. The number of officers killed on duty is down from 156 in 2014 to 79 in November 2015. "The government anti-Taliban operation in Waziristan has been a great success. The Taliban are finally retreating," he tells me.

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Image captionPakistan's military has been conducting operations against the Taliban in Waziristan
The military operation "Zarb e Azab" or "Sharp Strike", launched last summer, has been hailed as a success by Pakistani officials. But some fear the operation has simply driven militants from their Waziristan stronghold, further into Pakistan's urban centres. The Taliban struck a busy school in the city of Peshawar late last year, murdering 152 people, including 133 children. They claimed the attack was in response to the Zarb e Azab operation.

The massacre sparked unprecedented outrage in Pakistan, with peace rallies being held in every Pakistani town and city. The government lifted the moratorium on the death penalty, outraging human rights groups and doing nothing to lift the woefully low conviction rate.

Officer Ijaz tells me this is now the biggest hurdle in tackling violent extremism in Pakistan. "Testifying in court against the Taliban is a risk that many people are just not willing to take. It can often take 10 years or more for a case to go through the courts. Justice delayed can often be justice denied. Without changes in the system the battle with the Taliban can't truly be won."

At the time of writing, the suspects arrested on the night raid have been charged with conspiracy to kidnap and multiple counts of terrorism against the state. They are still awaiting trial.

Panorama: The Taliban Hunters will be broadcast on Monday 14 December at 20:30 GMT on BBC One.
 
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The Taliban hunters
By Mobeen AzharBBC News, Karachi
  • 9 hours ago
  • From the sectionAsia
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Media captionMobeen Azhar joins a team that has become known as "The Taliban Hunters" on a raid
Pakistanis have long been among the world's biggest victims of terrorism, with only Iraq and Afghanistan suffering more fatalities as a result of terror attacks in recent years. For more than a decade the tribal belt in northern Pakistan has been the backdrop for the battle with the Taliban.

More recently the militants have moved into Pakistan's cities, with Karachi becoming a focal point.

I spent three weeks on the frontline embedded with Karachi police with a squad that has become known as the Taliban hunters.

At 01:15 my phone rings. It's Senior Superintendent Ijaz calling to let me know his team will be conducting an anti-Taliban raid later that night. "I have bullet-proofs for you," he tells me. I've been watching Ijaz work for the past two weeks. He's in his 30s but the bags under his eyes suggest he's packed a lot into those years.

By 02:15 I'm picked up from my hotel by a cavalcade of police vehicles and taken to officer Ijaz's central Karachi compound. I arrive in time to hear the pre-raid briefing.

"I'm in the mood to take the suspects alive. Only fire your guns with express orders from me or the other senior officers," Ijaz instructs his squad of 24 Taliban hunters.

Tonight marks the culmination of four weeks of surveillance. The target is a cell of suspected Taliban members. The police have been tracking their phones. They have intelligence suggesting the group is planning a kidnap.

_86708715_m-ijazcarnight2.jpg

Image captionMobeen Azhar and Senior Supt Ijaz, the team's leader
Karachi, Pakistan's biggest city, an international port with a population of 24 million people has now been in the Taliban's grip for more than two years. The city has become a cash cow for militants who have "top sliced" Karachi's gangs.

They make money from kidnap and extortion, with target killing and bombing their choice tools of terror. The latest available figures show 132 cases of kidnap were reported in Karachi in 2014, with the Taliban and affiliated groups being the primary suspects in almost all of these cases.

A cavalcade of five police vehicles sets off from the armoured compound. We travel north to the edge of the city. Ittehad town, a spiralling collection of pop-up slums, gullies and unregistered building has long been a no-go area for many Karachiites.

Shootout
The police don't come to this area without back-up. We've come as far as we possibly can in police vehicles. The suspects' hideout is on a street so narrow we have to move forward on foot.

The light from central Karachi is miles behind us. The only sounds are our footsteps, whispering and dogs barking in the distance. With the hideout identified and surrounded, Ijaz gives the signal. Before his team can knock down the door, gunshots are fired from inside the building. "You are surrounded. Get down or we will shoot back."

A shootout plays out in front of my eyes and, after some tense moments, the two suspects are disarmed. Their weapons are seized and they are arrested.

Officer Ijaz explains: "Getting into the area is easy. Getting out is the difficult part." The members of the team leave the hideout and begin to walk back to the vehicles. The barking is now louder and the echo of metal bars being struck together ricochets through the air.

"The Taliban sound an alarm to let their supporters know the police are in the area. It's a call to arms. I have lost colleagues because of this."

_86708717_mobeenijazwithtalib1.jpg

Image captionMobeen Azhar and Senior Supt Ijaz with a suspected Taliban member
We run back to the vehicles with the suspects handcuffed, leaving the Taliban's "alarm" in Ittehad town and returning to the relative safety of the police compound.

Just a few days earlier I had attended the funeral of Superintendent Mohammed Iqbal. He was killed in a Taliban attack outside his police station at the end of a 14-hour shift. He became the 164th officer to die on duty in a 12-month period. The Taliban hunters are in no way a specialist force. Many of them have no formal anti-terror training, and on some days even bullet-proof vests and armoured vehicles are difficult to come by.

Massacre
"We have been stretched to breaking point. It's easy to fight the Taliban in the north of Pakistan because there is a clear target," says officer Ijaz. "But in Karachi it's very difficult because you don't know who your enemy is. They hide out in the slums. We are in a real war."

His force is making some progress, on paper at least. The number of officers killed on duty is down from 156 in 2014 to 79 in November 2015. "The government anti-Taliban operation in Waziristan has been a great success. The Taliban are finally retreating," he tells me.

_86708719_hi021662169.jpg

Image captionPakistan's military has been conducting operations against the Taliban in Waziristan
The military operation "Zarb e Azab" or "Sharp Strike", launched last summer, has been hailed as a success by Pakistani officials. But some fear the operation has simply driven militants from their Waziristan stronghold, further into Pakistan's urban centres. The Taliban struck a busy school in the city of Peshawar late last year, murdering 152 people, including 133 children. They claimed the attack was in response to the Zarb e Azab operation.

The massacre sparked unprecedented outrage in Pakistan, with peace rallies being held in every Pakistani town and city. The government lifted the moratorium on the death penalty, outraging human rights groups and doing nothing to lift the woefully low conviction rate.

Officer Ijaz tells me this is now the biggest hurdle in tackling violent extremism in Pakistan. "Testifying in court against the Taliban is a risk that many people are just not willing to take. It can often take 10 years or more for a case to go through the courts. Justice delayed can often be justice denied. Without changes in the system the battle with the Taliban can't truly be won."

At the time of writing, the suspects arrested on the night raid have been charged with conspiracy to kidnap and multiple counts of terrorism against the state. They are still awaiting trial.

Panorama: The Taliban Hunters will be broadcast on Monday 14 December at 20:30 GMT on BBC One.


What do you say about the Infantry equipment of the Squads in the Video ?
 
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And they wre not regular police forces , but a special unit, have you seen their gear, weapon, clothes, communication equipment during the raid ?
"The Taliban hunters are in no way a specialist force. Many of them have no formal anti-terror training, and on some days even bullet-proof vests and armoured vehicles are difficult to come by."

Source: The Taliban hunters
 
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And they wre not regular police forces , but a special unit, have you seen their gear, weapon, clothes, communication equipment during the raid ?
Not really a special unit - they are given the name to help em with morale - just like the "Elite Punjab Police Force". I think, SSU is the special unit in Sindh and they seem to be very well armed.

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And they wre not regular police forces , but a special unit, have you seen their gear, weapon, clothes, communication equipment during the raid ?

LOL, what specialized equipment? The Bullet-proof vests?

All of that too with barely any observable training. Look at how they're handling their guns, 9mms against god knows that.
 
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LOL, what specialized equipment? The Bullet-proof vests?

All of that too with barely any observable training. Look at how they're handling their guns, 9mms against god knows that.

Not really a special unit - they are given the name to help em with morale - just like the "Elite Punjab Police Force". I think, SSU is the special unit in Sindh and they seem to be very well armed.
"The Taliban hunters are in no way a specialist force. Many of them have no formal anti-terror training, and on some days even bullet-proof vests and armoured vehicles are difficult to come by."

Source: The Taliban hunters

you all misunderstood my post I have the same opinion like you!

Read my first post Today at 2:45 PM#2: I am saying they need better Infantry equipment !

And this guy did answer:


they were police (not infantry)

Infantry equipment is for me , bullet proof vests, a rifle or sub machine gun, Helmet, night vision system, a uniform etc. this are items which Taliban hunters should also have even if they are ONLY the police force ........

And if they are only a police force, they them self call them as a "anti terror unit" and the journalist call them even the "Taliban hunters", in the Video they look more like local security volunteers.

Read my weeks old post about this so called "Taliban hunters"

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To get respect from the enemy our "Taliban hunters" should really look like Killers to bring fear and
fright in the brain of the enemy ! So they think twice so start a fight with our forces ! You can call it also
Psychological warfare !


This here can be called HUNTERS and that is the way how warrior have to look !:

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Can this guy be called Taliban hunters ? Would the Taliban fear him or one of the guys in the above picture ?Your opinions please, may be someone can explain me why we have such a situation ?

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Thx this idiots now the world knows the Taliban hunters of Pakistan, which looked poor and unprofessional in their job !

This days propaganda is important aspect, which the Taliban uses extensively, our police can learn something from the TTP.
 
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Infantry equipment is for me , bullet proof vests, a rifle or sub machine gun, Helmet, night vision system, a uniform etc. this are items which Taliban hunters should also have even if they ONLY the police force ........

And if they are only a police force, they them self call them as a "anti terror unit" and the journalist call them even the "Taliban hunters", in the Video they look more like local security volunteers.

You're asking for too much.

Experience itself is training. These guys seem to spend more time trying to reenact Bruce Willis than prepare for an actual engagement. That too if you're heading into a hornets nest, where the AK is law, with no backup.

For some reason, watching it over a couple of times, it seems staged.
 
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You're asking for too much.

Experience itself is training. These guys seem to spend more time trying to reenact Bruce Willis than prepare for an actual engagement. That too if you're heading into a hornets nest, where the AK is law, with no backup.

For some reason, watching it over a couple of times, it seems staged.




Its not fake, because in one scene the journalist is asking about torturing the prisoners and the officer is looking very surprised and pissed off, his face impression was not played. If it is staged, like you are saying, than they should have played better for the international public !


I am asking only for that here not SU-34 fighter jets ^^:

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Massacre
"We have been stretched to breaking point. It's easy to fight the Taliban in the north of Pakistan because there is a clear target," says officer Ijaz. "But in Karachi it's very difficult because you don't know who your enemy is. They hide out in the slums. We are in a real war."
back in 2011, i met an Inspector from our Premier intel agency, he was posted in Bara those days, according to him, he would prefer being posted in Bara than Saddar - Karachi, atleast you get to know people, after few days of Surveillence you get to know whose Taliban sympathizer and whose who , but in Karachi, our biggest concern is that Allah knows which corner the bike is going to come and spur out some lead in our bodies - if we are really lucky that day then someone will merely rob us ----
so there is no doubt about that ---
 
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This Police force looks like a combination of "Special Branch" , FIA and local team.

Special Branch is under cover police who are usually found wearing white kamiz shalwar mingling in the public. They are identified with decent army type haircuts and sometimes carelessly holding hand held communication devices. They are police eyes in the local community and are present around the site before the ops begin.

FIA provides the technology part of the Police ops such as mobile phone tapping, eaves dropping etc. They have a wide range of different types of electronic surveillance,monitoring, forensic equipment etc. Their primary role of investigation has now broadened up in many avenues.

SSU seems to be yet another Security Force for VIP in Sindh just like Elite Force is for VIP protection in Punjab. They are hardly given the seconded role of anti-terror ops.

Unfortunately in Pakistan, VIP come first before public and 80% of Police is dedicated towards VIP duty, the remaining 20% of police is there to serve the public.

In all honesty, the ops shown in the video should NOT be carried out by the police because in reality the most trained and the most equipped (weapons and vehicles) police force is on protection duty of VIP's, standing outside their houses or travelling as protocol in their convoys.

Such ops should be be handled by SSG, the special forces, with a paramilitary unit (e.g. Rangers) providing cover on ingress and egress routes and a para medic unit standing by. SSG is armed to the teeth for such kinds of ops with the best weapons and equipments available. Two Squads of 6 men each and three sniper teams of 2 men each should be good enough to infiltrate a compound, kill or take prisoners and exfiltrate. Weapon load can vary from mission to mission and considering the arsenal used by SSG, suitable ammo and gear can be carried for mission success. SSG is even trained in hand to hand combat in case of adverse circumstances. The transport vehicle for SSG could be the Armoured Security vehicle, PROTECTOR.

Its beneficial in this way because:

1.Many lives of the ill-equipped Police Force would be saved.

2.There would be no chance of the prisoners getaway as SSG cannot be bought, unlike Police.

3. The documentation and records of every ops and captured prisoners will not vanish one day in "thin air" because they will be kept in GHQ.

4. It saves money otherwise raise a new force (which will eventually become a VIP protection force as its expertise reaches the sky)

5. It saves money otherwise buy new weapons, transport vehicles and equipment for this Force.

6. The identity of SSG personnel is classified so their lives and their families are safe in any aftermath of TTP backlash. The identities of Police personnel are not that secure.

7. Army can manage these ops within the same budget or maybe raising it a little bit.
If the budget is given to Police to conduct such ops in proper manner, there is no accountability and the chances are that the funds will be mis-used elsewhere.

The biggest problem is that the SSG is stretched out already in current war scenario in KPK area and their personnel keep hopping from one mission to another non stop.
 
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you all misunderstood my post I have the same opinion like you!

Read my first post Today at 2:45 PM#2: I am saying they need better Infantry equipment !

And this guy did answer:




Infantry equipment is for me , bullet proof vests, a rifle or sub machine gun, Helmet, night vision system, a uniform etc. this are items which Taliban hunters should also have even if they are ONLY the police force ........

And if they are only a police force, they them self call them as a "anti terror unit" and the journalist call them even the "Taliban hunters", in the Video they look more like local security volunteers.

Read my weeks old post about this so called "Taliban hunters"

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To get respect from the enemy our "Taliban hunters" should really look like Killers to bring fear and
fright in the brain of the enemy ! So they think twice so start a fight with our forces ! You can call it also
Psychological warfare !


This here can be called HUNTERS and that is the way how warrior have to look !:

View attachment 279266

Can this guy be called Taliban hunters ? Would the Taliban fear him or one of the guys in the above picture ?Your opinions please, may be someone can explain me why we have such a situation ?

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Thx this idiots now the world knows the Taliban hunters of Pakistan, which looked poor and unprofessional in their job !

This days propaganda is important aspect, which the Taliban uses extensively, our police can learn something from the TTP.
It's funny how you're comparing the two. The soldiers are Iraqi army, which collapsed against a few hundred ill equipped militants, meanwhile, I bet that guy with the AK and no armor would probably fight to the death to defend his home.

[Edit]: Looks can be deceiving.

[Edit 2]: Still, I do have to agree that the police needs a bigger budget. They're woefully under prepared and under equipped. You can't expect a man to fight if you don't pay him enough, and give him the necessary equipment to survive.
 
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It's funny how you're comparing the two. The soldiers are Iraqi army, which collapsed against a few hundred ill equipped militants, meanwhile, I bet that guy with the AK and no armor would probably fight to the death to defend his home.

[Edit]: Looks can be deceiving.

[Edit 2]: Still, I do have to agree that the police needs a bigger budget. They're woefully under prepared and under equipped. You can't expect a man to fight if you don't pay him enough, and give him the necessary equipment to survive.
i am a believer that too much of tactical gear is ill suited for our environment, when you have to turn around nooks in the muddy streets, the lighter you are, the better it is. the Tactical gear really hinders the movement....also in most cases personnel are outnumbered hence run & gun scene.....
all i would like to have on me when going out on raids like these is a Plate carrier rig, that is all....

the real weapon is your experience and situational awareness ----
Training part is something that we should focus more on though

btw, good to see them using shoulder mounted Cam for evidence purpose
 
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i am a believer that too much of tactical gear is ill suited for our environment, when you have to turn around nooks in the muddy streets, the lighter you are, the better it is. the Tactical gear really hinders the movement....also in most cases personnel are outnumbered hence run & gun scene.....
all i would like to have on me when going out on raids like these is a Plate carrier rig, that is all....

the real weapon is your experience and situational awareness ----
Training part is something that we should focus more on though

btw, good to see them using shoulder mounted Cam for evidence purpose
On the other hand, going in shalwar kameez is asking them to die. Having at least basic protection would do a world of wonder for the police.
 
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