The solution to the israeli issue

[Solomon2]

Nishan, have you ever considered that the solution to the Middle East problem could be the elimination of the Kingdom of Jordan? There was no Mandate for its creation, its ruling kings are foreign, and it was never included in any international partition plan save that of Britain alone, which saw Hussein as a cheap police chief patrolling a stretch of the oil pipeline between Iraq and Haifa.

 

[Menes]

well, they did try to wipe Israel off the map during the 6 day war, but they failed.

I guess we also tried to wipe off Britain, France, and Israel in 1956.

 

[Menes]

have you ever considered that the solution to the Middle East problem could be the elimination of the Kingdom of Jordan?

Zionists came from all over Europe and USSR to occupy Palestine and expel its Arab population, whereas Jordanians didn't.

 

[Coltsfan]

I guess we also tried to wipe off Britain, France, and Israel in 1956.

Is he being sarcastic or just babbling?

 

[Solomon2]

Zionists came from all over Europe and USSR to occupy Palestine and expel its Arab population, whereas Jordanians didn't.

Not quite. First, Transjordan expelled its Jews after WWI. Second, every now and then the Jordanian government revokes citizenship of a number of persons, automatically creating more "Palestinians".

Furthermore, to claim that, "Zionists came from all over Europe and USSR to occupy Palestine and expel its Arab population" ignores a whole swath of history: working backwards, we see that 20% of Israelis are Arabs; the vast majority of Arabs whose descendants are compelled to remain refugees by their fellow Arabs left Israel after independence at the urging (or following the example) of their own leaders, as encouraged by the governments of surrounding Arab states; that all of Palestine was set aside by the League of Nations in the British Mandate as a Jewish homeland; that Ottoman Caliphs promised Palestine to the Jews in case the Empire collapsed, and in the Treaty of Sevres which delivered it said that Jews were obligated to respect Arab rights in Palestine BUT ONLY IF ARABS DID THE SAME FOR JEWS ELSEWHERE IN THE FORMER EMPIRE, that Zionist economic development did the same for Arab neighbors and employees, and finally that from the beginning the Zionists PURCHASED oodles of land from Arabs themselves - often relatives of those Arabs powerful enough to forbid OTHER Arabs from making such sales directly to Jews, compelling weaker ones to sell to them cheap so they could sell to Jews dear.

That this long paragraph but short history lesson may fly in the face of almost everything you ever learned doesn't make it incorrect; it just means you may have been deliberately mis-educated. Why be angry at me about this? If you're over fifteen or so you know from personal experience that the Egyptian government lies about almost everything you can see around you. Why would you expect them to teach the truth about Jews, Arabs, and Israel?

 

[Canaan]

Second, every now and then the Jordanian government revokes citizenship of a number of persons, automatically creating more "Palestinians".

Source?

Furthermore, to claim that, "Zionists came from all over Europe and USSR to occupy Palestine and expel its Arab population" ignores a whole swath of history:

Aim of zionism, supported by your leaders testimonies.

working backwards, we see that 20% of Israelis are Arabs

Often used as a justification of Israels moral superiority, matter of fact, these people are the leftovers of the ethnic cleansing plan

; the vast majority of Arabs whose descendants are compelled to remain refugees by their fellow Arabs left Israel after independence at the urging (or following the example) of their own leaders, as encouraged by the governments of surrounding Arab states

already proven it was a zionist myth, no such call was ever given. And you still keep repeating it.

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that all of Palestine was set aside by the League of Nations in the British Mandate as a Jewish homeland;

Nope, the balfour declaration did that, the mandate was merely a tool for political control, and recommended that "A" mandates, which Palestine was a part of, were to be given full sovereignty according to the local population's wishes, and you are probably aware that there was an arab majority there, and hence it was to be an arab state not a jewish one.

that Ottoman Caliphs promised Palestine to the Jews in case the Empire collapsed

hahaha, that was absolutely not a promise! it was merely said in irony.

that Zionist economic development did the same for Arab neighbors and employees, and finally that from the beginning the Zionists PURCHASED oodles of land from Arabs themselves - often relatives of those Arabs powerful enough to forbid OTHER Arabs from making such sales directly to Jews, compelling weaker ones to sell to them cheap so they could sell to Jews dear.

This never mounted to more than a couple of %.
In 1945, the jewish ownership didn't even exceed 6% of the entire land, even after these so called purchases.

That this long paragraph but short history lesson may fly in the face of almost everything you ever learned doesn't make it incorrect;

Since most of it has been proven to be nothing more than zionist myths and lies, by historians and researchers makes it overwhelmingly incorrect, sorry.

it just means you may have been deliberately mis-educated.

It means, either you have been mis-educated, or are fully aware of these lies and don't want to stop spreading them

 

[Solomon2]

Source?

Lebanon news - NOW Lebanon -Human Rights Watch condemns Jordan for revoking citizenship of Palestinians

Let us build Pakistan (LUBP): The role of General Zia-ul-Haq in the events of Black September (1970), involving killing of 25000 Palestinians in Jordan (It seems quite a few of the Arabs killed or expelled as "Palestinians" were Jordanians.)

Aim of zionism, supported by your leaders testimonies.

There was dissent about the Arabs, yes, but the dominant vision was of Jews purchasing land while the local Arabs remained. Palestine was very empty at the end of the 19th century compared to today.

Often used as a justification of Israels moral superiority, matter of fact, these people are the leftovers of the ethnic cleansing plan -

No one insults Arabs more than other Arabs.

already proven it was a zionist myth, no such call was ever given. And you still keep repeating it.

Because there is plenty of proof otherwise. You might want to pick up the book, Palestine Betrayed which has the most full account I know of.

the mandate was merely a tool for political control, and recommended that "A" mandates, which Palestine was a part of, were to be given full sovereignty according to the local population's wishes -

Now I'd like you to show me YOUR references. Was it the League that made such a recommendation, or the British themselves, in violation of the terms of their Mandate?

hahaha, that was absolutely not a promise! it was merely said in irony.

I understand that in Islam there are no more prophets, yet some words can unintentionally be prophetic. Who knows what strange impulse motivated Abdul Hamid II to use the words he did? Are they, perhaps, even more meaningful because the plain meaning of his words was NOT (according to you) the conscious intent of the so-called viceroy to Allah?

Furthermore, it wasn't Abdul Hamid II who finally deeded Palestine to the Jews, but his successor Mehmed VI. It seems he took the pledge of his predecessor seriously. His terms, as stated in the Treaty of Sèvres, were even more generous towards the Jews than the guidelines of the League in the British Mandate.

This never mounted to more than a couple of %.
In 1945, the jewish ownership didn't even exceed 6% of the entire land, even after these so called purchases.

Doubtless had the Arabs not chosen to go on the warpath the process of peacefully purchasing land would have continued, at least in the non-Transjordan area. Furthermore, much of the country was "state" land, mostly waste areas not owned by any individual.

Since most of it has been proven to be nothing more than zionist myths and lies, by historians and researchers makes it overwhelmingly incorrect, sorry.

You may find, as I did, that the more you do research in depth on this matter, the less respect you will have for such "historians and researchers."

 

[Tuahaa]

Arabs in Israel live far better than in their own countries.

Jews under Umayyad ruled lived not bad, but then fanatic Almoravides arrved and expelled them.

Not really. Al Jazeera showed a documentary about Arabs in Israel. They face wide discrimination... and live in poor areas. Anyhow, I think Israel shouldn't be where it is.

 

[Menes]

Why be angry at me about this?

Hey, I'm not angry . You suggested a solution to the Middle East problem, and I refuted it.

the vast majority of Arabs whose descendants are compelled to remain refugees by their fellow Arabs left Israel after independence at the urging (or following the example) of their own leaders, as encouraged by the governments of surrounding Arab states

"Israeli propaganda has largely relinquished the claim that the Palestinian exodus of 1948 was ‘self-inspired’. Official circles implicitly concede that the Arab population fled as a result of Israeli action - whether directly, as in the case of Lydda and Ramleh, or indirectly, due to the panic that and similar actions (the Deir Yassin massacre) inspired in Arab population centers throughout Palestine. However, even though the historical record has been grudgingly set straight, the Israeli establishment still refused to accept moral or political responsibility for the refugee problem it actively created."
-Peretz Kidron, quoted in Blaming the Victims, by Said and Hitchens.

That this long paragraph but short history lesson may fly in the face of almost everything you ever learned doesn't make it incorrect; it just means you may have been deliberately mis-educated. Why be angry at me about this? If you're over fifteen or so you know from personal experience that the Egyptian government lies about almost everything you can see around you. Why would you expect them to teach the truth about Jews, Arabs, and Israel?

Since you are American, you probably didn't know, because you are brainwashed by Zionist propaganda. You need to enlighten up!

If Americans knew!

 

[Solomon2]

Hey, I'm not angry . You suggested a solution to the Middle East problem, and I refuted it.

Did you? I hadn't noticed.

"Israeli propaganda has largely relinquished the claim that the Palestinian exodus of 1948 was ‘self-inspired’. Official circles implicitly concede that the Arab population fled as a result of Israeli action - whether directly, as in the case of Lydda and Ramleh, or indirectly -

This passage can be reconciled with mine by replacing the word "largely" with "somewhat". Yet the "panic" referred to was almost entirely inspired by Arabs' own leaders; a so-called "massacres" like Deir Yassin, for example, was quickly "revenged" by the murder of 77 doctors and nurses two days later. link Palestine Betrayed covers both the eviction of the residents of Lydda and Ramleh and the flight of other Arabs from Palestine.

As you now experience, all this attention on the misdeeds of Jews in Palestine - some real but mostly imagined or misrepresented - serves to distract Arabs and Muslims from the true instigators of evil and perpetrators of injustice and misgovernance in their communities, their own leaders. The Palestinian Arabs, even the expats, can't do much now because they are under threat of death; so it is up to other Arabs and Muslims to apply pressure if there is going to be true peace and moderation.

 

[Solomon2]

Jews under Umayyad ruled lived not bad, but then fanatic Almoravides arrved and expelled them.

Happy New Year, to 500 and to all!

Translation: “May It Be Your [G-d's] Will That This Year is a Year of Blessing and Peace. A Year of Redemption and Salvation” [part of Rosh HaShanah prayer] Yes, even on this holiday, soldiers who are religious must work to protect Israel from terrorist attacks (and so they pray wherever they find themselves on Israel’s front lines).

 

[Nishan]

Nishan, have you ever considered that the solution to the Middle East problem could be the elimination of the Kingdom of Jordan? There was no Mandate for its creation, its ruling kings are foreign, and it was never included in any international partition plan save that of Britain alone, which saw Hussein as a cheap police chief patrolling a stretch of the oil pipeline between Iraq and Haifa.

Not quite. First, Transjordan expelled its Jews after WWI. Second, every now and then the Jordanian government revokes citizenship of a number of persons, automatically creating more "Palestinians".

Furthermore, to claim that, "Zionists came from all over Europe and USSR to occupy Palestine and expel its Arab population" ignores a whole swath of history: working backwards, we see that 20% of Israelis are Arabs; the vast majority of Arabs whose descendants are compelled to remain refugees by their fellow Arabs left Israel after independence at the urging (or following the example) of their own leaders, as encouraged by the governments of surrounding Arab states; that all of Palestine was set aside by the League of Nations in the British Mandate as a Jewish homeland; that Ottoman Caliphs promised Palestine to the Jews in case the Empire collapsed, and in the Treaty of Sevres which delivered it said that Jews were obligated to respect Arab rights in Palestine BUT ONLY IF ARABS DID THE SAME FOR JEWS ELSEWHERE IN THE FORMER EMPIRE, that Zionist economic development did the same for Arab neighbors and employees, and finally that from the beginning the Zionists PURCHASED oodles of land from Arabs themselves - often relatives of those Arabs powerful enough to forbid OTHER Arabs from making such sales directly to Jews, compelling weaker ones to sell to them cheap so they could sell to Jews dear.

That this long paragraph but short history lesson may fly in the face of almost everything you ever learned doesn't make it incorrect; it just means you may have been deliberately mis-educated. Why be angry at me about this? If you're over fifteen or so you know from personal experience that the Egyptian government lies about almost everything you can see around you. Why would you expect them to teach the truth about Jews, Arabs, and Israel?

As is your habit Solomon2 . . Trying to Throw the ball in the Playground of others . . . And trying to draw attention away from the real reason for the problems of the Middle East and the world . . which is the Israel's presence in the heart of the Islamic world . .

Be assured of mind and a clear conscience . . .Trying to dig the past to create problems between the Arabs themselves are doomed to failure . . .Palestinians, Jordanians, Egyptians and all Arabs are Brothers . . .

I hope that you release us from hearing this boring Zionism CD . . .Golda Meir said that the Palestine will be wiped out over time
Because the elderly are going to die and the young will forget . . .Do you think that Palestine had forgotten ? . . Do you think that the current generation of Arabs no longer cares about the liberation of Palestine from the Jews? . . The more important question for you. . .
Do you think that the state of Israel today is better than before 60 years ? . . and Do you think that hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. support for Israel and Jewish communities have earned IZRAEL the Security ?

P.S. Do not waste your time in giving us lectures about what we learned and what we must learn . . .Because If half of what we have learned Error . . . I am sure That everything you learned is wrong

 

[Nishan]

Happy New Year, to 500 and to all!

Translation: “May It Be Your [G-d's] Will That This Year is a Year of Blessing and Peace. A Year of Redemption and Salvation” [part of Rosh HaShanah prayer] Yes, even on this holiday, soldiers who are religious must work to protect Israel from terrorist attacks (and so they pray wherever they find themselves on Israel’s front lines).

Dear Solomon2 . . Do not think I'm against the Jews . . .On the contrary . . .If the Arab world to unite in one day . . I Will support the establishment of "Jewish Autonomous Oblast" On the borders of Mali like that one in the far east of russia

 

[NWO]

Hey, Solomon, no one here is against Jews or them having their own state. It's just how they're going about it that people find fault.

And, not all Zionist are Jews, either. CHRISTIAN ZIONISM - Christian Action for Israel