The Saudis reject Islamabad’s request to call an OIC's foreign minister meeting on Kashmir

[Wood]

We have always supported them in their Foreign Policy which negatively effected Pakistan long term. Following them we never developed our relations with Israel which allowed it to settle in Indian camp which effects us negatively militarily and politically. Have we gotten any support from Arabs towards India? They could have stopped oil and importing Indian labor to hurt them, but no they looked the other way and rather injecting more money into a failed Indian conglomerates like Reliance Industries who’s Chief the other day said no amount of money will save it.

The money the Arabs gave went into pockets of their hand picked goons operating in Pakistan who chiffon the money out of the country.

We can easily get money from China mostly likely with more control mechanisms in place to make sure money is used what’s its intended for.

We aren’t their rent a damn army, and neither I want to see our precious boys spill blood for a race who allied with the West to bring down a Caliph. Their crooked nose traitors through and through.

It is unfair to claim that Pakistan’s opposition to Israel is just to show solidarity with Saudi and UAE. Even India was reticent to the idea of allying with Israelis openly until the 90s. This was not just to please Arabs, but also to placate the local Muslim population. Pakistan could never recognize Israel openly given the sentiments of its own population. Irony is that the Arabs themselves are softening their stance against Israel these days.

Secondly, the money that Arabs have deposited into Pakistan’s forex account recently has directly contributed to the stabilization of economy. Further, the oil subsidies and deferred payments have allowed Pakistani public to enjoy the lowest oil prices in subcontinent.

Pakistan has every right to choose its foreign policy, but to deny the undeniable benefits of its Arab alliance is unfair to the Arabs.

 

[BHarwana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226445762458013696

 

[Beast]

TRTworld? Better wait for a more authentic news agency to confirm it. Turkish news agency will report anything about Saudi with a twist.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If Pakistan is unwilling to bear the sacrifice (in human capital) to what the the Saudi see as their primary interest, then the kingdom is bound to show its disappointment with Pakistan. Let’s see how else Pakistan can turn this relationship in future.

Are the Saudis willing to provide the same kind of support & make the same sacrifice (deploy military assets in support of Pakistan’s primary interest)? No, so why should Pakistan be expected to go ‘above and beyond’?

The Saudis and Emiratis can’t even be bothered to issue token condemnations against Indian military aggression against Pakistan or against Indian atrocities and occupation of Kashmiris, yet you want Pakistan to shed blood & tears in support of foolish Saudi interventions in a neighboring country’s civil war.

Don’t be absurd. The Saudis will get the same level of support they offer Pakistan - which is basically nothing that will have a broader geo-political impact.

It is unfair to claim that Pakistan’s opposition to Israel is just to show solidarity with Saudi and UAE. Even India was reticent to the idea of allying with Israelis openly until the 90s. This was not just to please Arabs, but also to placate the local Muslim population. Pakistan could never recognize Israel openly given the sentiments of its own population. Irony is that the Arabs themselves are softening their stance against Israel these days.

Secondly, the money that Arabs have deposited into Pakistan’s forex account recently has directly contributed to the stabilization of economy. Further, the oil subsidies and deferred payments have allowed Pakistani public to enjoy the lowest oil prices in subcontinent.

Pakistan has every right to choose its foreign policy, but to deny the undeniable benefits of its Arab alliance is unfair to the Arabs.

That’s wonderful. Pakistan will continue to provide labor and other ‘economic support’ to the Saudis in exchange for their ‘economic support’, but Pakistan is not deploying troops in Yemen and getting entangled in a Saudi-Iranian proxy war.

I understand that as an Indian you would love to see Pakistan get entangled in a pointless war far from her soil, expending blood and treasure and exacerbating sectarian tensions at home that would only destabilize her, but thankfully the Pakistani government and military have understood what supporting the Saudi war in Yemen would actually do and have stayed away from it.

 

[Wood]

Are the Saudis willing to provide the same kind of support & make the same sacrifice (deploy military assets in support of Pakistan’s primary interest)? No, so why should Pakistan be expected to go ‘above and beyond’?

The Saudis and Emiratis can’t even be bothered to issue token condemnations against Indian military aggression against Pakistan or against Indian atrocities and occupation of Kashmiris, yet you want Pakistan to shed blood & tears in support of foolish Saudi interventions in a neighboring country’s civil war.

Don’t be absurd. The Saudis will get the same level of support they offer Pakistan - which is basically nothing that will have a broader geo-political impact.


That’s wonderful. Pakistan will continue to provide labor and other ‘economic support’ to the Saudis in exchange for their ‘economic support’, but Pakistan is not deploying troops in Yemen and getting entangled in a Saudi-Iranian proxy war.

I understand that as an Indian you would love to see Pakistan get entangled in a pointless war far from her soil, expending blood and treasure and exacerbating sectarian tensions at home that would only destabilize her, but thankfully the Pakistani government and military have understood what supporting the Saudi war in Yemen would actually do and have stayed away from it.

It is true that Saudi will not give direct military support to Pakistan, but can Pakistan respond to Saudi’s benevolence by repaying their monetary assistance with interest? Each party can only provide what they have in return for what they do not possess. The Saudi have money to spare and Pakistan has military expertise to offer. The Pakistani labour that you suggest as payback is infact seen as another favour from Saudi perspective. Recently, the Turkish president claimed that Pakistan decided against attending the Islamic conference in Malaysia in deference to the Saudi threat of replacing Pakistani labour with those from other poor countries like India, Bangladesh etc. South Asian labour is cheap and readily available to the point that it is more of a liability than an asset.

Saudi may be inclined to align with Pakistan on Kashmir if Pakistan aligns with Saudi openly against Iran and Turkey. But Pakistan does not seem to like that as well.

PS: I do not partake in this discourse with Indian interests in mind. In general, my comments on Pakistani affairs on this forum are with an attempt to view the subject from a Pakistani perspective only. They may seem to be contrarian to your opinions, but are not with sinister intent nevertheless.

 

[BATMAN]

The irrational statements were made by the Emiratis and Kuwaiti govt officials in the aftermath of the Pakistani refusal to join the war in Yemen.

It was made by the Saudis and Emiratis in granting the butcher of Gujarat their highest awards.

IK is finally calling out the Saudi & Emirati BS.

It was NS who denied to join IMCTC, not any Yemen war!

Where as reality of so called Yemen war is as similar as TTP doing terrorism in Pakistan.

pdf will support any one doing terrorism in middleast and North Africa, specially in Saudi Arabia.

IK is playing for the axis of evil, he will hurt Pakistan to the point of no return.

We have all seen, what he did in Iran and how much pdf was censoring his activities.

This rumor is reposted every day like a spam, which is perpetuating in Indian media and on pdf.

Oh we will. Iran is an actual neighbor. The Saudis & Emiratis are across the sea.

Iran is as much a neighbor as Indian is.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226445762458013696

How come Iran never feel willing to discuss Kashmir?

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

I think this opens a few opportunities for Pakistan ... since Saudis have played their card, ball is in Pakistani court. Pakistan now can take initiatives that may not have been possible earlier due to Saudi reservations. I think Pakistani leadership when it overtly describes itself as broke... takes away inherent Pakistani leverage which a much bolder and confident leader can use to his advantage. But for that, again, you need a leader that knows his position... always playing it safe makes others bold enough to take potshots which they would've been mighty afraid to do before... because they tend to take the passivity as the main trait of a particular people or its leadership.

Saudi monarchy is inherently in a perilous situation and more so now ... Pakistan by providing Saudis a pedestal after they helped Pakistan in dire straits has created a problem for itself... where changes in Saudi priorities are affecting Pakistan's geopolitical challenges.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Where as reality of so called Yemen war is as similar as TTP doing terrorism in Pakistan.

Since when did Yemen become a part of Saudi Arabia?

Yemen is in the midst of a civil war- we’ve seen first hand what getting involved in a civil war did in Afghanistan and we’ve seen the results of a sectarian civil war in Iraq & Syria.

Joining the Saudis in their military intervention in Yemen is nothing like fighting the TTP in FATA. If the Saudis need Pakistani assistance in fighting terrorists like the TTP on Saudi soil, then that’s different.

but can Pakistan respond to Saudi’s benevolence by repaying their monetary assistance with interest?

Yes.

And Pakistan has never made any commitment to join Saudi adventurism in other countries - Pakistan has always committed to stand with and defend Saudi Arabia if it is attacked and that commitment remains in place.

 

[Dalit]

No Kashmir agenda and resolution by OIC.

Imran made a mistake to miss the Malaysian summit.
Stuff the Arabs. I told you guys many times, they are no good.

They are now sucking up to the Israelis, because they think this is the best way to safeguard their arses from the whipping.

Anyone was expecting something different!!!
Hurry, go for a brain scan.

It is never too late. KSA and UAE only look at their interests. When these countries cosy with India they sideline Pakistan. Pakistan should definitely do the same and join the Malaysia/Turkey group. Surely there are going to be repercussions, but they are well worth it in my opinion. Since Mohammad bin Salman took over things are not the same. He is willing to gamble on Saudi future to appease a few quarters. We are not going to become part of this madness.

 

[BHarwana]

How come Iran never feel willing to discuss Kashmir?

Iran always discuss kashmir and condemnes Indian atrocities but few people like you due to their sectarian reasons never accept what ever they do. Iran is the only country that has faced longest term of sanctions just because Palestinian Arabs can get freedom has anyone else faced sanctions for them? There is no reason of war between Iran and USA other than Israel. If today Iran gets along Israel it will become more richer than entire gulf so how can you say they don't speak about kashmir.

Now back on topic about Saudis we they also care about kashmir and they cannot block a meeting on Kashmir even if they wanted to cause OIC is not under their control they are just hosts for this term.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

The Great Game of Chicken Phase2 ...has started.

@Reddington @SIPRA @StormBreaker @PakSword @masterchief_mirza

I believe we underestimate ourselves and succumb to enemy propaganda all too easily. We fail to regard ourselves as influential to the same degree as say the Saudis because we have been brainwashed into confining and limiting ourselves. Pakistan should take the lead in the great games that are afoot, rather than be reactive.

Imran Khan is actually partly to blame for the continuation of this mentation. Under the nawaz's and Bhutto's of this world, Pakistanis would inevitably become self deprecating and self censored as a function of living under such subservient yes-men. Under Khan, an opportunity was there and still exists for Pakistan to stake its claim and hold these pathetic little tin pot colonies to ransom as they should be held.

Pakistan should have aggressively courted each rival of each potential benefactor and as such become the chief protagonist in this game.

This opportunity existed a few years ago. We could have demanded a lot in exchange for some mercenary service to KSA. That opportunity has now gone and they have become an outright opponent to Pakistani interests, not an enemy yet - that would be unfair - but getting very close to being one.

Imran unfortunately chose to propagate the "yes man" approach but of course, one cannot actually say "yes" to every stakeholder. Hence IK tied himself in a knot over the Malaysia summit and now has nothing to show for it.

Aggression is needed with all of these coked up snakes lurking to our west (namely ksa, Iran, UAE, afg, USA), such that they realise the heavy price for Pakistani cooperation and likewise the heavy price of Pakistani antagonism.

 

[StormBreaker]

I believe we underestimate ourselves and succumb to enemy propaganda all too easily. We fail to regard ourselves as influential to the same degree as say the Saudis because we have been brainwashed into confining and limiting ourselves. Pakistan should take the lead in the great games that are afoot, rather than be reactive.

Imran Khan is actually partly to blame for the continuation of this mentation. Under the nawaz's and Bhutto's of this world, Pakistanis would inevitably become self deprecating and self censored as a function of living under such subservient yes-men. Under Khan, an opportunity was there and still exists for Pakistan to stake its claim and hold these pathetic little tin pot colonies to ransom as they should be held.

Pakistan should have aggressively courted each rival of each potential benefactor and as such become the chief protagonist in this game.

This opportunity existed a few years ago. We could have demanded a lot in exchange for some mercenary service to KSA. That opportunity has now gone and they have become an outright opponent to Pakistani interests, not an enemy yet - that would be unfair - but getting very close to being one.

Imran unfortunately chose to propagate the "yes man" approach but of course, one cannot actually say "yes" to every stakeholder. Hence IK tied himself in a knot over the Malaysia summit and now has nothing to show for it.

Aggression is needed with all of these coked up snakes lurking to our west (namely ksa, Iran, UAE, afg, USA), such that they realise the heavy price for Pakistani cooperation and likewise the heavy price of Pakistani antagonism.

Can’t agree more with you bro, this is the same thing me and @MastanKhan are saying over and over again, we have minds restricted to serving even though we are nuclear and a very strong and highly functional conventional power.

If we just take a step ahead to become a leader, many silent awaiting countries will start supporting us openly even some from GCC. We are regards and imran khan uptil now has failed miserably in acting as independent. He is just another example of “Batein bari bari, karna kuch nai”, only impressing public with speeches and UN through his mentality of gadhi-giri.

Unfortunately, all of our options are over now, all cards have been used, imran was the last one with whom we had hope.

 

[MastanKhan]

Can’t agree more with you bro, this is the same thing me and @MastanKhan are saying over and over again, we have minds restricted to serving even though we are nuclear and a very strong and highly functional conventional power.

If we just take a step ahead to become a leader, many silent awaiting countries will start supporting us openly even some from GCC. We are regards and imran khan uptil now has failed miserably in acting as independent. He is just another example of “Batein bari bari, karna kuch nai”, only impressing public with speeches and UN through his mentality of gadhi-giri.

Unfortunately, all of our options are over now, all cards have been used, imran was the last one with whom we had hope.

Hi,

I have been talking about this for so long that I cannot remember it---.

We a the 7th or 8th most powerful nations of the world and 99% of the pakistani posters on this forum make us the " COWARD of the world"---.

Morons come here and write " we are not a mercenary army "---.

 

[BATMAN]

Iran always discuss kashmir and condemnes Indian atrocities but few people like you due to their sectarian reasons never accept what ever they do. Iran is the only country that has faced longest term of sanctions just because Palestinian Arabs can get freedom has anyone else faced sanctions for them? There is no reason of war between Iran and USA other than Israel. If today Iran gets along Israel it will become more richer than entire gulf so how can you say they don't speak about kashmir.

Now back on topic about Saudis we they also care about kashmir and they cannot block a meeting on Kashmir even if they wanted to cause OIC is not under their control they are just hosts for this term.

People like you and rest of 90% on this forum are sectarian.
Is it not obvious that you are clutching to straws, like always...

As far US sanctions were concerned, those were a hog wash and only propaganda. Those had been debunked many times!
All Europe was doing all sort of trade to Iran, even exporting dual use equipment!
Flights full of Russian /Ukrainian missile staff were landing and taking off on daily basis.
As well the direct flights to Europe.
No one knows, why Indians were flying to Tehran. You can google on daily India-Iran flights.

Iran has all the natural resources and required number of population to become rich or fight their own wars, without help from Pakistani counterparts. Iran is wasting it's resources in spreading terrorism across the region and meddling in foreign states internal affairs, by use of mafiaism, militancy and target killing.

What you wrote about Saudis and OIC is mere blabbering.
Give a clear reference about your complaint.

Since when did Yemen become a part of Saudi Arabia?

Yemen is in the midst of a civil war- we’ve seen first hand what getting involved in a civil war did in Afghanistan and we’ve seen the results of a sectarian civil war in Iraq & Syria.

Joining the Saudis in their military intervention in Yemen is nothing like fighting the TTP in FATA. If the Saudis need Pakistani assistance in fighting terrorists like the TTP on Saudi soil, then that’s different.

Since when you start reading stuff which is not written?

Yemen is an independent state, with brotherly ties to Saudi Arabia.... while houthis is one of the Iranian proxy, operating out of voids of Yemen and launching terror attacks on Saudi Arabia. That's the parallel to TTP, which was proxy of India, operating out of Afghanistan Nagarhar province.
Numbers of both proxies can be different, but both were basically terrorist organizations, only difference houthis have far modern war equipment than TTP, like ballistic missiles, surface to air missiles, etc. while TTP was mostly using Iraq styled IEDs.

I don't know why you keep equating joining IMCTC with Yemen? General Rahil Sharif was ex-CoAS of Pakistan and he is on record stating that it's not about Yemen or Iran. You should have stopped with your rhetoric there and than!
Details of Iranian role in killing Yemeni Muslims and that of other regional states is another topic.

 

[StormBreaker]

Iran always discuss kashmir and condemnes Indian atrocities but few people like you due to their sectarian reasons never accept what ever they do. Iran is the only country that has faced longest term of sanctions just because Palestinian Arabs can get freedom has anyone else faced sanctions for them? There is no reason of war between Iran and USA other than Israel. If today Iran gets along Israel it will become more richer than entire gulf so how can you say they don't speak about kashmir.

Now back on topic about Saudis we they also care about kashmir and they cannot block a meeting on Kashmir even if they wanted to cause OIC is not under their control they are just hosts for this term.

Willing to discuss kashmir ?
Kashmir will be free after this discussion by iran ?

And meanwhile, opening a gateway for RAW from Baloch border ?

Wow, what a true ally iran is