The Ramadan War: The Battle for Dignity

[Menes]

Egyptian Soldiers celebrate the successful crossing of the Suez canal during the war

 

[500]

The fact is that Sadat offered peace many times before the war in return of Sinai, however the Israeli government rejected all his offers.

Saddat did not agree for direct peace talks + he asked preconditions. Israel wanted direct talks without preconditions. Thats what happaned after the war.

There will be always victims and violence in the middle east because of the Israeli occupation of Arab lands.

Why Arabs did not make peace before 1967?

Militarily, the result was stalemate on both fronts,

Militarily on Syrian front Israel acheived undisputable victory.
On Egyptian front Israel surrounded 3rd Egyptian army and only superpower intevention prevented its destruction.

Sadat suggested in Feb 1971, an Israeli withdrawal 32 km into Sinai, limited Egyptian troops and UN peace keeping force would be deployed on the eastern bank of Suez, and to reopen the Suez Canal for international navigation, followed by six months of negotiations. PM Golda Meir rejected Sadat's offer.

Saddat wanted 90 mile withrdawal, thats 144 km.

Ironically enough, IDF retreated 35 km into Sinai after the war in Jan 1974.

20 km (10 km limited force Egyptian zone + 10 km UN zone).

 

[Beskar]

Great stuff Menes, keep em' coming.

By the way, the episode from "20th Century Battlefields" is one of the best modern analysis of a war, period!

 

[Menes]

Saddat did not agree for direct peace talks + he asked preconditions. Israel wanted direct talks without preconditions. Thats what happaned after the war.

Why Arabs did not make peace before 1967?

Militarily on Syrian front Israel acheived undisputable victory.
On Egyptian front Israel surrounded 3rd Egyptian army and only superpower intevention prevented its destruction.

Saddat wanted 90 mile withrdawal, thats 144 km.

20 km (10 km limited force Egyptian zone + 10 km UN zone).

Hello 500,

There were another two great threads discussing the war on other forums. I used to follow them for years, as I am very interested in collecting rare pics about Egyptian military, I never posted anything there though.

I also noticed that you participated in both threads, but all what you did there was to divert topics into endless debates that could last for many pages. although you are always given fair replies that are supported by Israeli sources or even the US national archive, but it's obvious that you can accept sources only if they are written by ultra rightist Israeli historians.

Sorry, I will not allow you to ruin my thread. So, either post something useful here, or your posts will be ignored.

 

[Menes]

I don't know if it's allowed to post links to other forums, but anyways I will copy replies to him and re post them here later.

 

[Menes]

Posing with a friendly UN officer, Egyptian soldiers of the trapped 3rd army enjoy the peace the disengagement talks brought about in Sinai.

 

[sergente rehan]

The Israelis had never left the table; the Arabs did that. Sadat thought the Arabs needed "dignity" before they could return. In cause of that emotion, thousands of Israelis and Arabs died. I always wonder why Arabs are proud rather than shamed to have participated in wars against Israel.

why they have to be shamed to have participated in wars against Israel?

Wars are quite always the wrong way to risolve anything but if you say that arabs have to be ashamed then U.S. also have to be ashamed of Vietnam war and also for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Where are the Arms of mass destruction in Iraq? the main reason for which U.S. invaded Iraq....but let's don't get off topic.

 

[500]

but it's obvious that you can accept sources only if they are written by ultra rightist Israeli historians.

Sorry, I will not allow you to ruin my thread. So, either post something useful here, or your posts will be ignored.

Here quotes from 1971 newspapers:

I dont plan arguing either, just correcting some facts.

 

[Canaan]

why arabs didn't make peace pre-1967?
Simple
because your fake state was created with the help of backstabbing and deceptive western governments on ethnically cleansed Arab and Muslim land and hence should be fought until it is relocated to the Western world where it belongs.

 

[500]

ethnically cleansed

You are wrong. I see many Arabs daily here. Arabic is official language in Israel.

 

[Canaan]

You are wrong. I see many Arabs daily here. Arabic is official language in Israel.

You know exactly what I mean
You are living on a land that someone else was living on 62 years ago and who were forced out by force.
Why else were 800,000 palestinians forced into exile and are 62 years later still living outside of their land not allowed to return? Why are poles, russian and american jews living in my family's homes in northern Galilee like thousands of other Palestinian families?

I was in occupied Palestine this year, and heck! apart from ethnically cleansing what is left, and the continuing of building illegal settlements on occupied land, you even started to change the road signs where the old Arabic names are removed and replaced with the hebrew names written in arabic letters.

Why are more than 500 palestinian villages not on the official israeli map today?

 

[Menes]

Here quotes from 1971 newspapers:

I dont plan arguing either, just correcting some facts.

Newspapers?!!

Ok, thanks.

 

[Menes]

Egyptian soldiers in Sinai prior to the disengagement pose smiling by the skeleton of an IAF Skyhawk.

Egyptian commando from one of the 26 commando battalions in Egyptian service in 1973 redeploy in Sinai.

An AK-47 carried by lead soldier wrapped in tan cloth for camouflage.

 

[Menes]

Collection of photos from the Israeli side.

IDF Armor Blog

 

[Nishan]

. . . Are you simply parroting what you were taught in school? . . . much of what the authorities tell you is a lie. Is there some reason you can think of why they would teach you the truth about Jews and Israel?

The same thing applies to you Solomon2:

. . . Are you simply parroting what you were taught in school? . . . much of what the authorities tell you is a lie. Is there some reason you can think of why they would teach you the truth about Arabs and Muslims?