The Question of Indian MIRV

[randomradio]

The smallest deployed Indian Nuclear warhead may be on Prithvi or Agni-1 which are at least 1 meter wide. The widest Indian missile is Agni-5 which is 2 meter wide.

Our smallest warheads are similar in size to 155mm artillery shells.

 

[Safriz]

Our smallest warheads are similar in size to 155mm artillery shells.

Deployed on which Missile?

 

[randomradio]

Deployed on which Missile?

Can be used from artillery guns.

Point is if you are talking about miniaturization, we are no different from the P5. We have everything we need for MIRV. Basically, MIRV and ICBMs are not a technical hurdle for India, it's a political hurdle, because it creates escalation.

Bro, we have achieved the ability to transfer objects at the interplanetary level. Even China is yet to demonstrate this.

Deployed on which Missile?

 

[Safriz]

Can be used from artillery guns.

Point is if you are talking about miniaturization, we are no different from the P5. We have everything we need for MIRV. Basically, MIRV and ICBMs are not a technical hurdle for India, it's a political hurdle, because it creates escalation.

Bro, we have achieved the ability to transfer objects at the interplanetary level. Even China is yet to demonstrate this.

The MIRV drawings you show here are fanboy productions as no Indian missile has ever been seen testing with Bi-conical tip which is required for MIRV.
The only kinda credible candidate for MIRV is the warhead of Shuriya, or the apparent warhead of Shurya.
Of course it is unclear if such a small warhead will have any strategic deterrence? and how aerodynamically and thermally stable it will be on an A-5 barging down at mach 20? Probably will suffer heat damage and will be very difficult to stay on course .
FYI it is used on Shouriya because after first stage the missile does not shed any stages and goes all the way with steering from rear wings.
Same cannot be said about MIRV situation, the warhead will have to Re-enter atmosphere on it's own and there will be problem.
Why do you think Pakistan did not MIRV the 56 Cm wide Abdali Warhead ob Ababeel? We have the Abdali warhead since at least 2002. Instead the heavier Shaheen-3 warhead was MIRV.
If Abdali warhead is MIRV on Ababeel then it will carry 7 , not just 3 from S-3.
There are many restrictions and factors to be taken into account .

 

[randomradio]

The MIRV drawings you show here are fanboy productions as no Indian missile has ever been seen testing with Bi-conical tip which is required for MIRV.
The only kinda credible candidate for MIRV is the warhead of Shuriya, or the apparent warhead of Shurya.
Of course it is unclear if such a small warhead will have any strategic deterrence? and how aerodynamically and thermally stable it will be on an A-5 barging down at mach 20? Probably will suffer heat damage and will be very difficult to stay on course .
FYI it is used on Shouriya because after first stage the missile does not shed any stages and goes all the way with steering from rear wings.
Same cannot be said about MIRV situation, the warhead will have to Re-enter atmosphere on it's own and there will be problem.
Why do you think Pakistan did not MIRV the 56 Cm wide Abdali Warhead ob Ababeel? We have the Abdali warhead since at least 2002. Instead the heavier Shaheen-3 warhead was MIRV.
If Abdali warhead is MIRV on Ababeel then it will carry 7 , not just 3 from S-3.
There are many restrictions and factors to be taken into account .

None of the currently pictured Indian missiles are MIRV.

MIRVs are important for submarines, so we will have to wait for them to release the pictures of K-4, K-5 etc. K-4 most likely is MIRV capable because it is just 1.3m in diameter but can carry 2+T in nukes. That's enough for 2 or 3 TN warheads along with dummy warheads.

 

[indianfighter1999]

India is yet to test a MIRV, in theory India has both vehicles and weapon heads, India might be working on
guiding tech. for multiple warheads though. But k4 and Agni6 might see MIRV testing after regular tests, I see India testing MIRV in 5-7 years if Modi doesnt see any international alarm raised because of that.

 

[ebrahym]

All the ACs would be kept in Bay of Bengal reason is , no matter what there won't be a situation CBU would be required to deter Pakistan navy.. It will only be needed to dictate terms. From Visakhapatnam complete Indian ocean is easily accessible and Arabian sea can be managed by destroyers alone until CBU arrives...

At the end stop running around the bush.. Thread is about MIRV... and India does not need MIRV for Pakistan... Only thing if India need MIRV for Pakistan .. is cost effectiveness, coz until now if launched Pakistan has no defense for in coming BM or CMs.

Your sign is not good enough to support level of ur post....
Cya

with all due respect
not replying to your AC questions as you said it is not appropriate forum
second MIRV will increase cost effectiveness ........ yes
but not for deterrence against anything
all your statements are self explanatory
as for naval confrontation in Arabian sea do mention me on an appropriate forum

as for my sign .... you haven't given any facts but mere "will bes" and uses
but i would rather not personalize this conversation
have a good day

 

[gslv mk3]

Caz no foreign help in this one

So our space program is now based on foreign help ?

But the problem is that although the Warhead has 0.74 meter dia and can fit 5 on a 2 meter wide Agni-5, its weight is 1 ton and Agni-5 cannot carry 5 tons.

Nice try, but.

Re-Entry Vehicle: RV-Mk.4

This is the first Re-Entry Vehicle (RV) that is designed & optimised for the new lighter 200Kt thermonuclear payload weapon and corresponding to a very long range. The 200Kt yield weapon reportedly weights less than 450 Kg, however some sources indicate a mass of between 300 to 200 Kg4. The sharp high‘²’ (Ballistic coefficient5) RV design employs 17 cm diameter blunt nose with a nose cone section 2 meter long and half angle of 11°, followed by a 0.65 meter long cylindrical section that is terminated by with a 0.5 meter long, 1.5 meter diameter interface to the missile adapter.

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/interviews/indias-long-range-missile/

Putting three on top of A-5 means it will have to carry 3 tons in warhead weight and then another ton in RV and other mechanisms associated.

Don't burst bubbles... let them be happy and sleep

And you have neither MIRV nor multiple satellite injection demonstrated. Go figure.

 

[Shajida Khan]

This is the first Re-Entry Vehicle (RV) that is designed & optimised for the new lighter 200Kt thermonuclear payload weapon and corresponding to a very long range. The 200Kt yield weapon reportedly weights less than 450 Kg, however some sources indicate a mass of between 300 to 200 Kg4. The sharp high‘²’ (Ballistic coefficient5) RV design employs 17 cm diameter blunt nose with a nose cone section 2 meter long and half angle of 11°, followed by a 0.65 meter long cylindrical section that is terminated by with a 0.5 meter long, 1.5 meter diameter interface to the missile adapter.

Very much doubt it. Indian test of TN weapon is doubtful. That said, India will have something similar to Joe 4. A boosted weapon. It will be around 700 KG - 800 KG warhead and will consume more plutonium with some Tritium to boost the yield. I hope Indian forces replace Tritium regularly, after every 3-4 years. An 800 KG 200 KT warhead is nothing to scoff at. You can fit 3 of these busters in a Agni - 5 like missile with some sacrifice for range. It will give you a range of 2000-5000 KM depending upon what initial range of Agni-5 was. A more than enough deterrence provided we keep our accuracy under 200 meter..

 

[gslv mk3]

Very much doubt it. Indian test of TN weapon is doubtful. That said, India will have something similar to Joe 4. A boosted weapon.

Apparently that is inconsistent with the number of MIRVs & Payload of A6.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Apparently that is inconsistent with the number of MIRVs & Payload of A6.

Which is the reason I doubt A6 will be introduced early. We do not have anything like WD-87 or even W-78. It will be hard for us to deploy anything with 10 warheads. FBF does not scale that well to give us light weight warheads.

Most probably we will have a 5 weapons configuration (thats 4 tonne already!) with a number of light weight decoys. Hence we will limit our range to 6000 KM or so with 5 warhead configuration. For K-6, it will be 3 or 4 war heads to allow the missile to be light weight.

 

[gslv mk3]

e do not have anything like WD-87 or even W-78. It will be hard for us to deploy anything with 10 warheads. FBF does not scale that well to give us light weight warheads.

What can I say. Let's wait and see how it comes along.

 

[AKD]

The smallest deployed Indian Nuclear warhead may be on Prithvi or Agni-1 which are at least 1 meter wide. The widest Indian missile is Agni-5 which is 2 meter wide.

Did you forgot prahaar??
Which is 0.42 meter wide..

http://www.spsmai.com/military/?id=391&q=India-test-fires-a-shoot-and-scoot-nuclear-missile,-Prahar

 

[Shajida Khan]

Did you forgot prahaar??
Which is 0.42 meter wide..

http://www.spsmai.com/military/?id=391&q=India-test-fires-a-shoot-and-scoot-nuclear-missile,-Prahar

Thats meant to carry tactical warheads. Somewhat like Nasr.

 

[AKD]

Rather than MIRV India should focus on ASAT weapons