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The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

The promise of the golden age of Pakistan being the most poorest and underdeveloped nation on earth? Because that's where we are headed to if we are not too careful and worry about the problems of those who don't give Pakistan and Pakistanis a second thought.

I never meant Pakistani Golden age but Islamic golden age you misunderstood that one. Look your ideas are yours but you definitely don't represent Pakistan nor the it's current policies but in reality your a peasant and for the better
 
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Ye dekho, mashallah ! leader of Ummah and custodians of the holy cities hamare Modi Ji ke saath.

Whatever happened to handsome's fiery rhetoric about muslim genocide in India and nazi fascist Modi regime ? :undecided:

dekho.. jab tak apne own ideological trappings mein fasey rahoge, tarakki na kar paoge. Pakistan ko Israel ke saath jald se jald apne talukat normalize kar dene chahiye.

hum se seekho diplomacy
You needn't worry yourself or concern your fragile dharmic head over matters concerning abrahamics. The geriatric saffron hug-meister's only benefit to mankind is simply that he leads a significant segment of dumb and easily led people. India is all about quantity to its economic and military partners, nothing much else.
 
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I'd say give people political space to practice their politics, I don't think trying to force the nation or its extremes to conform to one's preferred political or socioeconomic image is a good idea. Nor is it correct to question people's motives, just because their methods are beyond one's moral comprehension. I have plenty of disagreements with people on the forum, but I don't question their patriotism, I fully give the benefit of the doubt that their intentions are just as good as mine even if the path is different.

Pakistan is a diverse country, with as much ethnic, linguistic, cultural, and political diversity as the whole of Western Europe in just one country. We might seem small compared to India, but on a global scale, we are huge.

And we have had WAY too many failed experiments whereby well-meaning people have foolishly tried to make this diverse nation fit some predetermined mold.

Whether it was one unit nation, or Zia's superficial "Islamification", whether it was curbs on dissenting speech and critics of the state, or the feeble attempts to clean the political system of politicians, or Bhutto's socialistic mantra etc.

We should all recognize that Pakistan, its people, and its problems, are beyond our individual comprehension. Even if we could perceive them, logically speaking, a one-size fits all solution can't work everywhere. I have no legitimacy to tell some tribesman in Balochistan which political party, me a city dwelling upper middle class thinks, is best for him. Nor can I as a liberal tell someone from a conservative religious background that they should be compelled to behave a certain way, run their household in a manner acceptable to me, or join aurat march and start waving red flags in the name of progress. Similarly, administrative needs of the people of Thar might be basic necessities, while a metropolis like Karachi might desperately need expensive rail infrastructure, this sort of diversity doesn't just apply to technical matters, it's true of individuals too.

IMO, best way to run Pakistan is to have a solid constitutional base that outlines the basic and inalienable rights of all citizens, and the outlay for the structure of the state, and then to have it enforced by the courts. In parallel you have your politicians and leaders democratically elected, even if the most odious filth is elected, they are legitimate as long as they have been duly elected and can't otherwise legally be disqualified. All attempts at political engineering in the past have fallen flat on their face, all it does it cause the system to be underdeveloped, unstable, and immature. If we let a decent system run for long enough, corrective mechanisms of democracy, and increasing strength in institutions, and wisening of polity, will eventually take care of a lot of our problems over time. My two cents...
 
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I never meant Pakistani Golden age but Islamic golden age you misunderstood that one. Look your ideas are yours but you definitely don't represent Pakistan nor the it's current policies but in reality your a peasant and for the better




If there is a so called "Islamic Golden age" but Pakistanis are still living in far worst conditions than sub-saharan africans then what's the point? We don't benefit?
Neutralize your enemies via cessation of hostilities.

also, ask your Air Force if they have too :D





We did. On February the 27th 2019....................... :azn:..................................and 7x bigger india could do NOTHING about it despite having the FULL backing of the west and russia.............................:azn:...........:enjoy:
 
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Ye dekho, mashallah ! leader of Ummah and custodians of the holy cities hamare Modi Ji ke saath.

Whatever happened to handsome's fiery rhetoric about muslim genocide in India and nazi fascist Modi regime ? :undecided:

dekho.. jab tak apne own ideological trappings mein fasey rahoge, tarakki na kar paoge. Pakistan ko Israel ke saath jald se jald apne talukat normalize kar dene chahiye.

hum se seekho diplomacy
Go ahead, do so.
If theirs and our ideology differs, so be it. Pakistan won't be with them.
 
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Go ahead, do so.
If theirs and our ideology differs, so be it. Pakistan won't be with them.
You're being too emotional. Recognizing Israel in no way compromises your deen. In fact the best way to help the Palestine cause would be to have dialogue with Israel, don't you think ? As things stand, neither handsome, nor any citizen of Pakistan can even travel to Palestine. Palestinian territories enjoy a better standard of living than a lot of the subcontinent. I've been to the edges of the west bank, they (Israelis) restrict travel and movement on some roads but by and large things are ok, or so people who have actually been to Palestine/west bank proper tell me anyway.

Go ahead though, suits India just fine if you keep isolating yourself.
 
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Only that none of those so called "abrahamics" view themselves as abrahamics.

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you are our offspring, learn from Bharat mata.
Ha! You wanna go check whose DNA is present in 75% of whose modern population.

IVC to baap hota hain nah.

"Now working with a bank of Indus genomes presumed to be 12 individuals strong, the researchers compared their genetic signatures to DNA from other ancient civilizations in Eurasia as well as modern populations. A resulting Indus family tree revealed that although the civilization collapsed nearly 4000 years ago, its genetic stock forms the basis of most people living in India today, the team reports today in Cell."

If it wasn't for ancient Pakistanis and Aryan migrants, you lot would still be chucking rocks at each other on elephant-back.
 
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You're being too emotional. Recognizing Israel in no way compromises your deen. In fact the best way to help the Palestine cause would be to have dialogue with Israel, don't you think ? As things stand, neither handsome, nor any citizen of Pakistan can even travel to Palestine. Palestinian territories enjoy a better standard of living than a lot of the subcontinent. I've been to the edges of the west bank, they (Israelis) restrict travel and movement on some roads but by and large things are ok, or so people who have actually been to Palestine/west bank proper tell me anyway.

Go ahead though, suits India just fine if you keep isolating yourself.
Yeah yeah isolation. Usual Indian bs/
 
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You're being too emotional. Recognizing Israel in no way compromises your deen. In fact the best way to help the Palestine cause would be to have dialogue with Israel, don't you think ? As things stand, neither handsome, nor any citizen of Pakistan can even travel to Palestine. Palestinian territories enjoy a better standard of living than a lot of the subcontinent. I've been to the edges of the west bank, they (Israelis) restrict travel and movement on some roads but by and large things are ok, or so people who have actually been to Palestine/west bank proper tell me anyway.

Go ahead though, suits India just fine if you keep isolating yourself.





Forgot about Pakistan, Israel and Palestine. When is india going to get back over 38,000 Square kms of indian territory that the Chinese have conquered........... :azn::




You obviously have far more pressing matters to worry about than being here............:azn:
 
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Ha! You wanna go check whose DNA is present in 75% of whose modern population.

IVC to baap hota hain nah.
lol @ your obsession with the topic, quite sad, really.

Yeah yeah isolation. Usual Indian bs/
Isolation ? .. looks like Pakistan will prevail where India failed :P

Given the very real recent rapprochement and peace deals between the Israelis and Arabs, you are isolating yourselves.

China have relations with Israel.

Turkey have relations with Israel.

Malaysia too.. https://embassykualalumpur.com/israeli/
Forgot about Pakistan, Israel and Palestine. When is india going to get back over 38,000 Square kms of indian territory that the Chinese have conquered........... :azn::




You obviously have far more pressing matters to worry about than being here............:azn:
ah, a report from the same Eurasian times that routinely gets trashed here as tabloid nonsense suddenly finds credibility ? Interesting.

Why you so triggered by me commenting here ? I'm only advocating for peace and happen to agree with you on some of your points.
 
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lol @ your obsession with the topic, quite sad, really.


Isolation ? .. looks like Pakistan will prevail where India failed :P

Given the very real recent rapprochement and peace deals between the Israelis and Arabs, you are isolating yourselves.

China have relations with Israel.

Turkey have relations with Israel.

Malaysia too.. https://embassykualalumpur.com/israeli/

ah, a report from the same Eurasian times that routinely gets trashed here as tabloid nonsense suddenly finds credibility ? Interesting.

Why you so triggered by me commenting here ? I'm only advocating for peace and happen to agree with you on some of your points.

" “These individuals (in Rakhigarhi) had little of any Steppe pastoralist-derived ancestry, showing that it was not ubiquitous in north-west South Asia during the IVC as it is today,” according to the study."

Here is the bit I love flashing in front of "out of India" whores the most.

In north west India, pontic steppe DNA is now ubiquitous but it wasn't during the bronze age. In other words, steppe landers came to Hindustan and sired a lot of children, drastically altering a minority component of modern Indian DNA. The steppe land DNA simply wasn't here in the subcontinent before then. Yet these clowns tell the world that "Aryans came out of India. These people and their DNA magically appeared in the bronze age entirely within the Indian subcontinent and spread in a male dominant pattern by chance!".

The obsession comes from your side who religiously defies science and simple genetics to propagate the nonsense that the Gangetic basin bequeathed anything unto the people of the Indus Valley.
 
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