The problem with Pakistan's blasphemy laws

[Awesome]

I have one question. You perceive some insult on the Prophet. You got pissed off, and killed someone.

What was the benefit of doing this? Give me one benefit of killing someone who commits blasphemy?

 

[Paksindhi]

So sad that there are so many that leap to the defence of violence.
Over what, words and words at that said by some one who must be by there actions an nonbeliver.

So who do these words hurt? Can they hurt Allah obviously not, can foul words impune the purity of the Prophet obviously not.

So there is only one person left that could be hurt and that is the feeling of those who resort to violence. So it would seem violence is the refuge of those who doubt, who feel their faith is so weak that the opinion of another can harm it.

When did death to the infidels replace As-Salāmu `Alaykum as the greeting of the religion of peace?

We muslim's r not violent, its the attitude and total disregard of our value's by westner's which causes problems.

West in the name of freedom of speech, insult's our Prophet and critisize our holy book Quran, without knowing any thing about it, that's when problem starts.

No sain muslim in his or her right state of mind can think of making cartoon's of Prophet JESUS, that's our value system.

Bottom line, A true muslim can take any amount of insult and criticisim on him self or his family but Insult to his Prophet NEVER.

 

[Moorkh]

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Originally Posted by Moorkh View Post
even the supreme council of the smartest muslim men in the world is not qualified to judge whether a person is a muslim or not. as long as the person claims to be one and follows the koran to the best of his understanding and ability, he will be a muslim



they know **** and you know exactly what the koran says !!!!
is it not possible that you are wrong?


lets be realistic. the koran is as claimed by the muslims "a book from god containing his message". it is the ultimate message and written in the words of god. but the words still need to be interpreted genius. even your great moulvis dont always agree on the interpretation of the words so please dont give me that ****



now you are being stubborn and not giving any new arguments. "you" dont consider them to be part of the muslim brotherhood. others might. no one can prove himself/herself to be part of the muslim brotherhood. it isnt an organization with registered members with a list of members or an identity card that the members can carry around.



People who give fatwas are qualified to do so and i agree with them , TTP are a Bunch of Kafirs.

stop defending them !!

i am not defending the TTP,

i am defending their religion

and yet again you fail to give any valid points. just calling me a TTP supporter wont work.

the TTP are muslims who have a different and terrible interpretation of islam.

 

[Awesome]

We muslim's r not violent, its the attitude and total disregard of our value's by westner's which causes problems.

If you would inflict physical harm onto anyone for saying some words against Islam then you're violent

West in the name of freedom of speech, insult's our Prophet and critisize our holy book Quran, without knowing any thing about it, that's when problem starts.

It's just words. It doesn't make them true. They look like ***** when they do that, call them bigots, don't go on a rampage to kill them. They call you violent and then you try to prove you're not by blowing yourself up. Stupidity?

No sain muslim in his or her right state of mind can think of making cartoon's of Prophet JESUS, that's our value system.

So what? Just because you're being nice, doesn't automatically mean everybody would be nice to you. People have various agendas. You play right into their trap by acting all crazy and violent. Be cool.

Bottom line, A true muslim can take any amount of insult and criticisim on him self or his family but Insult to his Prophet NEVER.

A true Muslim must not make Muslims look like idiots and contribute towards the progress of Islam. True Islam is not seeking vengeance for some mere words. Yes if you're attacked you have a right to defend yourself. But match words with words. Match actions with actions.

 

[JonAsad]

As far as i know these are two different matters.
- Inslult on Islam
- Insult on our Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H)

Insult on islam i can tolerate it.
Insult on Prophet i cannot.

If to live in Harmony and Peace with other Religions is at the cost of not doing any thing when they insult our Prophet honeslty i will prefer to fight till i die.

If ppl feel they can insult him like that and expect us to be more liberal and tolerant then we cannot. Every one should understand this there are certain things about Islam we cannot tolerate and if you keep attacking those and expect nothing from us just for the sake of Harmony then they are wrong.

This law is in Pakistan and people should respect this.

 

[Awesome]

As far as i know these are two different matters.
- Inslult on Islam
- Insult on our Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H)

Insult on islam i can tolerate it.
Insult on Prophet i cannot.

If to live in Harmony and Peace with other Religions is at the cost of not doing any thing when they insult our Prophet honeslty i will prefer to fight till i die.

If ppl feel they can insult him like that and expect us to be more liberal and tolerant then we cannot. Every one should understand this there are certain things about Islam we cannot tolerate and if you keep attacking those and expect nothing from us just for the sake of Harmony then they are wrong.

This law is in Pakistan and people should respect this.

Why should others be tolerant of our intolerance? Why shouldn't western societies herd all Muslims into internment camps as we are obviously proving we have no capability of behaving like normal human beings?

Why shouldn't they just shoot us on the head before we get a chance to shoot them?

 

[JonAsad]

Why should others be tolerant of our intolerance? Why shouldn't western societies herd all Muslims into internment camps as we are obviously proving we have no capability of behaving like normal human beings?

ok.. so a normal human being will just insult some other religion's religeous figure and will expect us to be tolerant..

Religion apart can some one even tolerate some thing said to him?

Why shouldn't they just shoot us on the head before we get a chance to shoot them?

i will prefer to shoot or be shot at in the head instead of being humble in this matter.

Dont forget this thread is about blasphemy laws and we are only discussing about the Holy Prophet.

 

[prodevelopment]

I have two questions:

1. Who decides whether an insult has been made to Prophet Muhammed or not? Is there any written down list of don'ts that are specified in the law?

2. Wouldn't a misinterpretation of the Holy Quran be a greater insult to the Prophet than just drawing an imaginary depiction of him?

 

[kugga]

Looks like ppl don't understand the importance of love for Holy prophet(S.A.W) in Islam that's why they find it harsh when it is said that if someone will insult my prophet I'll kill him.....

In Quran Allah says that you cannot be a Muslim if you don't love Prophet(S.A.W) more than your self and your family...

So obviously every muslim will love his/her prophet...... and about the matter of killing others for there harsh comments for this one thing should be clear that it's not about agreement or disagreement of views its about love you have with your prophet and thats it....

and BTW I don't believe in consipiracies that blasphemy laws were done under pressure of Mullahs and all that.... they are there coz we as a nation want them to be there and we have the power to change them as well if we want to..... just don't blame Mullahs in every matter like they blame America

 

[JonAsad]

Thats simplest as it can get..

Debate with us about the teachings of our Holy Prophet.. Feel free to disagree.
Insult him and i will Kill you.

Quran says

الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِيناً
آج میں نے تمہارے لئے تمہارا دین مکمل کر دیا اور اپنی نعمتیں تم پر پوری کر دیں اور تمہارے لئے اسلام کو دین پسند کیا

So
Our religion Islam is already completed by none other than Allah. We cannot change it now according to our needs or what the world requires it to be.

 

[s90]

Thats simplest as it can get..

Debate with us about the teachings of our Holy Prophet.. Feel free to disagree.
Insult him and i will Kill you.

Quran says

الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِيناً
آج میں نے تمہارے لئے تمہارا دین مکمل کر دیا اور اپنی نعمتیں تم پر پوری کر دیں اور تمہارے لئے اسلام کو دین پسند کیا

So
Our religion Islam is already completed by none other than Allah. We cannot change it now according to our needs or what the world requires it to be.

And who gives you the authority to do that?

 

[Meesna]

Looks like ppl don't understand the importance of love for Holy prophet(S.A.W) in Islam that's why they find it harsh when it is said that if someone will insult my prophet I'll kill him.....

Of course they find it harsh as they don’t believe in the same prophet as you do and find no reason to respect a person whose claim they consider false and thus worthy of criticism. What you are trying to do is to force others to practically act as Muslims by revering your prophet as Muslims revere, which they don’t have to as they have freedom to believe in their own beliefs, just as you do.

Do you respect anyone whose claim of prophet hood you do not agree with? No, you ridicule them, persecute them and declare them worthy of killing. In west they don't kill you for merely being Muslim which is a lot better than what you do.

Bottom line on your attitude; if you believe a person is a prophet then disagreeing with it deserves killing, if you believe a person is not a prophet then disagreeing with that is also worthy of killing and persecution.

Basically everyone in the world has to respect your demands or they are dead. World has had enough of this one-sided arrogant attitude already. You can get the message the easy way or the hard way. Your choice. Today they have banned veils and minarets, tomorrow they can ban a lot more.

You have full right to believe what you want, just respect others' right to believe what they want to believe too. You can not arbitrarily enforce your view of what is holy when others do not share the same view.

In Quran Allah says that you cannot be a Muslim if you don't love Prophet(S.A.W) more than your self and your family...

So obviously every muslim will love his/her prophet...... and about the matter of killing others for there harsh comments for this one thing should be clear that it's not about agreement or disagreement of views its about love you have with your prophet and thats it....

Love your prophet but don’t expect others to love him too who do not consider him anywhere close to a prophet and in fact consider him an impostor. You believe in him not others, why force others to respect him?

and BTW I don't believe in consipiracies that blasphemy laws were done under pressure of Mullahs and all that.... they are there coz we as a nation want them to be there and we have the power to change them as well if we want to..... just don't blame Mullahs in every matter like they blame America

That is exactly the point. If there is consensus on the blasphemy law i.e. to kill people for their beliefs then Pakistanis are indeed a very dangerous bunch of people who believe in forcing their views on others and failing that resort to violence. Many more Fasial Shayzads will result.

 

[prodevelopment]

Thats simplest as it can get..

Debate with us about the teachings of our Holy Prophet.. Feel free to disagree.
Insult him and i will Kill you.

Quran says

الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِيناً
آج میں نے تمہارے لئے تمہارا دین مکمل کر دیا اور اپنی نعمتیں تم پر پوری کر دیں اور تمہارے لئے اسلام کو دین پسند کیا

So
Our religion Islam is already completed by none other than Allah. We cannot change it now according to our needs or what the world requires it to be.

So who decides if Allah or the Holy Prophet has been insulted? Did Allah give you the right to avenge what you perceive to be an insult to him?

Is denying his existence not an insult to Allah? Does that mean all non-muslims must be beheaded?

 

[Meesna]

ok.. so a normal human being will just insult some other religion's religeous figure and will expect us to be tolerant..

You insult all the time anyone who you consider a false prophet and you do not allow others to come and kill you for that. On the other hand God forbid if someone criticises what you stand for...

A lot of duplicity one can observe here.

Religion apart can some one even tolerate some thing said to him?

We do it all the time.

i will prefer to shoot or be shot at in the head instead of being humble in this matter.

Why do you think Muslims are being considered extremists and what do think the phrase 'religion of terror' is referring to? Problem is you act intolerant and do something bad as you have described above and then get bad rap for it and people criticise what you stand for even more which makes you even more angry and susceptible to doing something even worst and this goes on. The solution is to accept that other people do not believe and treat as holy what you do.

Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance is the answer, not trying to force others to accept your views in which ultimately you fail anyway.

 

[FreekiN]

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