The Only Way to World Peace is an Islamic Union

[Sam Manekshaw]

There is already a Western Union so why not a Islamic Union???
We are talking about a money transfer company...right???

Winter is coming.

 

[Winchester]

Winter is coming.

Well not until the Winds of Winter comes out and looks like that lazy ****tard G.R.R Martin is not going to finish that before mid-2015

 

[al-Hasani]

Arabs have failed to turn the Arab League into a block, how can one expect a block of 60 odf countries?

The Arab League is an organization. Not an union. It has helped solve many important Arab issues and will remain as an important tool in the future. There is none better right now. It's the biggest ethnic union of any sorts in the world. It's not surprising that it does not always work as it should when we are dealing with 22 countries located from the Atlantic Ocean to the Arabian Sea and from the Mediterranean Sea to the Indian Ocean. They might all be connected by land but it's still a HUGE land mass and population. Moreover there are many Arab organizations on a cultural, economic, religious and human level that most non-Arabs do not know about but which are doing an excellent job on a grass roots level etc.

I think that it is much more plausible to form an Sunni Muslim union as 90% of all Muslims are Sunni Muslims already. The mistrust between Sunni Muslims and Shias are the highest in a long time.

Anyway which world peace? The world has not been this peaceful like ever. Large parts of the Muslim world, including Arab world (if not most), are peaceful and improving on all fronts.

For instance the biggest worry in the GCC is the insanely high dowry, rent and other smaller problems. Almost. We have nothing to complain about and it is only going to get better for each year. Let others solve their problems. Nobody can solve others problems. I am a bit tired of the GCC donating left and right to ungrateful people/countries. This should stop.

 

[Kompromat]

@al-Hasani

Largest Muslim states like Indonesia, Pakistan and Turkey are not going to join a Union based on secterian bullshit.

We have 20 Million Shia Pakistanis, as much as your total population. What makes you think that we will accept an alliance which doesn't take 20 million of my fellow Pakistanis onboard?

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani

Largest Muslim states like Indonesia, Pakistan and Turkey are not going to join a Union based on secterian bullshit.

We have 20 Million Shia Pakistanis, as much as your total population. What makes you think that we will accept an alliance which doesn't take 20 million of my fellow Pakistanis onboard?

I am just saying that there is no trust between majority Sunni Muslim and majority Shia Muslim states nowadays and that it is more realistic for a Sunni or Shia Muslim union to emerge. You don't have to look further than what is going on in your own country or even on PDF.

It has nothing to do with sectarianism. KSA and the Arab world (aside from being home to the most holy "Shia" shrines and cities) have millions of Shias too.

 

[waz]

Sorry, there are way to many sectarian, racial and ideological differences to make this possible. How does this take majority Muslim nations forward i.e. that we have a union amongst Muslims, that subtly excludes non-Muslims? Muslim countries should venture out and form trade, currency, defence unions, with nations that will benefit them and whom they can give assistance to . You don't need an Islamic union for that.

 

[Kompromat]

@al-Hasani

Only pragmatic solution is to create 'Multiple Functional Blocks' of the OIC members.

1: GCC in Mideast
2: A new structure in North Africa
3: Pakistan, Iran, Turkey + all Muslim CAR states under ECO
4: A structure made up of Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei.

4 bodies must be like EU, open border trade, long term goals for a single currency and military coop.

States that don't get along should have the ability to join another block.

All 4 blocks should cooperate with the OIC on global issues.

At least one OIC member must have the permanent UNSC seat.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Unless Iran and Arabs get their shit together, this will never happen. Both of these guys have too much pride.

They've been playing cold war with each other forever, it's not going to stop when they get more powerful. And it's not going to stop when the west moves out either.

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani

Only pragmatic solution is to create 'Multiple Functional Blocks' of the OIC members.

1: GCC in Mideast
2: A new structure in North Africa
3: Pakistan, Iran, Turkey + all Muslim CAR states under ECO
4: A structure made up of Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei.

4 bodies must be like EU, open border trade, long term goals for a single currency and military coop.

States that don't get along should have the ability to join another block.

All 4 blocks should cooperate with the OIC on global issues.

At least one OIC member must have the permanent UNSC seat.

I don't really know mate. I think that it's more successful to look at it in terms of language, culture, ethnicity and geography. 1 block containing the Arab world, another Muslim Sub-Saharan Africa, a third South Asia (might include Iran and Afghanistan here), a fourth Turkey and Central Asia and a fourth South East Asia.

GCC is nothing more than a regional organization.

What I believe should be done is to solve all those major problems in the Muslim world before speaking about topics like those. The fundament must be solid before you built something on top of it. That's just my opinion.

Also that union should not purely be about religion but also all the other initiatives that make up successful unions. Look at EU. There might be many complains but it works marvel compared to what the Muslim world has in its arsenal in terms of unions and most other areas of the world.

Sorry, there are way to many sectarian, racial and ideological differences to make this possible. How does this take majority Muslim nations forward i.e. that we have a union amongst Muslims, that subtly excludes non-Muslims? Muslim countries should venture out and form trade, currency, defence unions, with nations that will benefit them and whom they can give assistance to . You don't need an Islamic union for that.

In any case I am afraid that our brother @waz is right here above. As of now at least.

 

[shuntmaster]

You live under one country..

The Muslim world is diverse with Black Africans, white Europeans, East Asians and myriad of converts,, some countries very rich, some poor, some very conservative some secular.

Just because were all muslims dosent mean we all are the same


Whilst a Pakistani Muslim, a White european muslim, and a Nigerian muslim may share common religious ground they are and will be different people with different back ground, experiences and history


All that however dosent mean we cant build a common union, with strong economic and military ties OVER TIME

Didn't 1971 prove that religion cannot define a nationhood or even keep a nation united..?

 

[shuntmaster]

@al-Hasani

Only pragmatic solution is to create 'Multiple Functional Blocks' of the OIC members.

1: GCC in Mideast
2: A new structure in North Africa
3: Pakistan, Iran, Turkey + all Muslim CAR states under ECO
4: A structure made up of Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei.

4 bodies must be like EU, open border trade, long term goals for a single currency and military coop.

States that don't get along should have the ability to join another block.

All 4 blocks should cooperate with the OIC on global issues.

At least one OIC member must have the permanent UNSC seat.

What about indian, Bangladeshi and srilankann muslims? Combined, they would form close to a quarter of world muslim population.

 

[kalu_miah]

@Aeronaut yes, what about Bangladesh? Indian and Sri Lankan Muslims will keep being minorities in their own country, unless they can curve up their own states. But where will Bangladesh go, with which bloc, if any?

 

[shuntmaster]

I still don't get how muslim unity will bring more peace..
BTW, inspite of all the conflicts and violence in the world today, humankind has been most peaceful today than it has been ever in history. An average human today is less likely to have a violent death than ever before..

 

[waz]

In any case I am afraid that our brother @waz is right here above. As of now at least.

At present, yes I'm afraid.

 

[Dubious]

Islamic Union?? Seriously??

Islamic countries and groups are fighting among themselves and are one of the biggest contributors to the loss of human lives.

Hence the word union formulating the title Islamic union for world peace