@Azad-Kashmiri Either answer the post in full or don't bother quoting out-of-context parts of it. That is a very old trickery of the Mullahs enabling them to act as experts in almost every field by selective quoting, sheer criticism and fool the gullible by their emotionally charged sentences. You need not defend the religion everytime and I am not a follower of Lucifer. So relax.
More propaganda! Extremism is not from our religion. If you had studied it, you would know that
''The Prophet ﷺsaid: ‘May the extremists perish’ (three times)''
In fact it you who is a supporter of extremist ideology of using VIOLENCE! When have you ever heard a sufi use violence? You bet, when YOU threaten us with violence we'll defend ourselves. First look at yourself in the mirror before you preach!
You're a close minded person who uses Madaris as an excuse to rant his anti-Muslim venom. Are you going to provide orphans, the poor, the homeless, food, clothing, lodging and education? If not, you're opinions don't count for squat!
Now, will you show me a single post where I say that "extremism is from the religion"
I never said it! But just because it isn't from the religion won't change the fact that it is being done, under the guise of religion by the Muslims. A religion is always perceived by the actions of its followers, you aren't exempt from criticism and blame because its not in the book.
Yeah, using violence against rogue elements who aren't keen to listen to the calls of reforms. Madaris like Lal-Masjid who won't discard their ways of spreading chaos and terror in the society even with repeated warnings. You want me to send them garlands? Turn the other cheek perhaps? That is what happens when you take in consideration, random parts of a post and try to answer it. The rest will do fine with careful watch of the Govt and reforms which may include teaching a little worldly education too (just like those school-going kids learn the religion too).
And I am trying to understand the reason behind this ultra-defensive but aggressive approach, do you think deep inside that the followers of the religion might be at fault too while pretending to not believe it in this thread?
P.S. No, simply produce enough whom I can raise properly and effectively by myself so I don't need to send them to endure torture (now don't say that its false - its an everyday routine of education inside a seminary), narrow mindedness, radicalization, sectarianism and for every single necessity of life to the Moulvis.
Hang on! This is the language of our enemy country; India! What Madrassa was involved in the training of terrorists? If there was, you think they can operate openly like this without the Government knowing?
No appeals to the patriot inside me, my patriotism isn't blind fortunately. You are asking this question in what two thousand and fifteen anno domini that what Madarsas are involved in the training of terrorists? Directly, an awful many of them and indirectly, creating a favorable environment for the spread of radicalization and extremism in the country. Almost all!
Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa operation without the knowledge of the Govt for many years too right? And Darul-ulom-Haqqania kept training more Taliban even when the state of Pakistan started a war against them? Or that too was a foreign funded Jewish conspiracy against all pure Muslims?
And you have successfully repeated the oldest propaganda of the hyper religious that every single of their blunders, mistakes and faults are actually the secularists' fault. As if they are the ones promoting the religion-disordered sectarianism, radicalization and extremism. Ask your Mullahs to take responsibility for their actions.
If someone on the streets goes and does something out of ignorance what has that got to do with Madarassa? You, yourself are Islamically illiterate and you’re pointing fingers everywhere to support your anti-Muslim narrative. Hence, I said I’m a Muslim and Proud of it!
If only it had been "someone" and a few acts of terrorism, I would have agreed with you, such it appears isn't the case. I will gladly concede that you are a better Muslim than me if that changes anything in the equation, I know the obsession with holier than thou attitude. Because I am not making religious arguments, this isn't a theological discussion.
So, who made the government policies? I really don’t know what you’re talking about! You’re confused like the data you pulled-up. So the GOVERNMENT was creating TERRORISM? So the Madrassa had nothing to do with it.
They didn't teach you anything about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the creation of Mujaheddin (people who kept on fighting between themselves even after the infidels departed), the import of an intolerant version of religion and the unadulterated power that Mullahs enjoyed since the eighties to o-one? Of course you don't know what I am talking about! Start reading history then, instead of churning out posts without any purpose or meaning but random sentences since you admit to not knowing about what is being talked about. Yes, the establishment at an earlier time, promoted radicalization and extremism in the country to pave way for fighting a foreign war and gather public support for what it was doing in Afghanistan. While heavily funded Madarsas became the first line of offense polluting the young mind. Madarsas had everything to do with Mujaheddin and later Taliban, these Mullah/Qari/Mufti/Hafiz/Moulvi didn't come and don't come from schools, colleges, universities or to use the broad term, proper institutions of education.
Now you’re deluded. When did I say this? If you want to have a discussion you must keep adab of it and not pick and cut and take statements out of context. I’ve already discussed this point about Pashtoons and I’m not aware of anything different you’re referring too.
Go and MANIPULATE someone else. 60,000 deaths directly and indirectly relating to War on Islam
You didn't say it explicitly, you implied it. You say Christendom is responsible for this war and for these deaths right? Why exactly are Muslims cutting the throats of their fellow Muslims then?
Exactly, what the next propaganda is about. To explain/rationalize the deaths of Pakistanis by saying that the infidels have been killing Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq and well basically the world over hence its the revenge being taken from (ironically of all people) Muslims by (ironically of all people) Muslims. Understand what you are saying now?
I see the enemy within; the greedy corrupt politicians.
Selective amnesia they call it right? Why forget your comrades waging a war against the Pakistanis under the name of God having killed more than what have died in all wars with India combined?
Those who sold Pakistani citizens for $1m to Christendom forces.
What about $25m of treachery?
What about the Brigadier in London?
What about the consultant for US?
What about your hero Musharaf who wrote 3 books and could not get his story write. A liar! Read the state secrets he’s exposing! Very PATRIOTIC!
What about the other traitor; Durani comes on BBCWORLD and spills his guts out? I guess they’re both graduates of some Madrassa!
All the Pakistanis have been released without charge from Guantanamo Bay and have initiated lawsuits for torture and illegal captivity. Which Madrassa did Christendom learn torture from?
Wanted terrorists involved in terrorism, don't start giving respect and the nationality of the country to Al Qaeda terrorists. I read the In the Line of Fire and never got any idea of any exposure of national secrets, you sure you have it right? And Durrani spilled national secrets, whats you definition of it because the rest of us saw it as nothing more than brutal truth of International relations? Sheikh Bin Laden, right for the rest of it?
Right. Yeah, you can do that in the secular world and expect a fair and speedy justice in the secular nations. Think of it, if it had been the present Muslims nation who had done this, the people wouldn't have been allowed to file one in the first place. No?
