The new war epic film is a masterpiece ''The battle at lake Changjin''

[Titanium100]

Image counts a lot.

Before Kpop exploded, I did fine dating wise, but I felt like I succeeded DESPITE being an Asian man. Most Asian men were stereotyped as dweebs and since I went against those stereotypes being tall, good looking, well built, etc., I felt like women "overlooked" that I was an Asian guy and made an exception for me. However, since maybe 6-7 years ago when Kpop and Kdramas started to gain popularity, it's become really easy to get all kinds of women. Women would literally come on to me because maybe they saw some Kdrama and were horny for a tall, handsome Asian male lead type. If they were into Kdramas, the game was over. LMAO Women are very status oriented so they are very easily influenced by the media, whereas guys are more just into hot women, period.

In the UK, I've noticed that they stereotype Pakistanis different from the Indians. They see Pakistanis as more masculine, kind of thuggish, kind of dangerous, like how Black men are viewed here. While Indians are seen as nerds who run the small businesses. Whereas in the US, they just see Pakistanis and Indians the same.

In Europe is a bit different example ''Arabs-Afghans-Iranians-Pakistanis-Turks-Moroccans-Algerians'' are tagged together as one entity and top of the food chain with no competition whatsoever.

There is few criteria and as long these are checked and you belong to these 7 Mid-east race you will immediately shoot to the top of the food chain.

'' Tall
'' Fiery eyes
'' Dark hair and light skin
'' temperament
'' expressive
'' masculine

These 7 races out-compete the local men for women like significiantly and the gap is huge in Europe. They have ''harakat'' things that can't be explained that the locals can't copy.. Harakat means ''Motions'' or you could say a wavelength emotional motions

 

[Battlion25]

In Europe is a bit different example ''Arabs-Afghans-Iranians-Pakistanis-Turks-Moroccans-Algerians'' are tagged together as one entity and top of the food chain with no competition whatsoever and I kid you not.

There is few criteria and as long these are checked and you belong to these 7 Mid-east race you will immediately shoot to the top of the food chain.

'' Tall
'' Fiery eyes
'' Dark hair and light skin
'' temperament
'' expressive
'' masculine

These 7 races out-compete the local men for women like significiantly and the gap is huge in Europe. They have ''harakat'' things that can't be explained that the locals can't copy.. Harakat means ''Motions'' or you could say a wavelength emotional motions

This is something I have known for a very long time that the most superior looks race is from traditionally from Mid-east region and mediterranean region they are basically same extensions of each other and share same looks and characteristics. Dark hair, fiery temperaments, attitudes, good complexion and expressive. Even Hollywood started to realize this just a decade ago but this is something I have known for much longer. The human eyes can never go wrong this is a large consensus

 

[Maula Jatt]

Image counts a lot.

Before Kpop exploded, I did fine dating wise, but I felt like I succeeded DESPITE being an Asian man. Most Asian men were stereotyped as dweebs and since I went against those stereotypes being tall, good looking, well built, etc., I felt like women "overlooked" that I was an Asian guy and made an exception for me. However, since maybe 6-7 years ago when Kpop and Kdramas started to gain popularity, it's become really easy to get all kinds of women. Women would literally come on to me because maybe they saw some Kdrama and were horny for a tall, handsome Asian male lead type. If they were into Kdramas, the game was over. LMAO Women are very status oriented so they are very easily influenced by the media, whereas guys are more just into hot women, period.

In the UK, I've noticed that they stereotype Pakistanis different from the Indians. They see Pakistanis as more masculine, kind of thuggish, kind of dangerous, like how Black men are viewed here. While Indians are seen as nerds who run the small businesses. Whereas in the US, they just see Pakistanis and Indians the same.

UK immigration happened in the 50s- 60s when they were rebuilding their economy so they needed workers
They brought all our rural population to UK as their industrial workforce for post war years

during that time Germany was also looking at rural Pakistan for its workforce - I wonder what happened but in the end they brought Turks

US or North America in general on the other hand is recent and from urban population
Indian rural population never went out
only their cream immigrates

Asian men were always second-class citizens of dating scene but Asian women were total opposite
A lot of men really fetishize them - that's across the board including brown, black, white men

I wonder why this happened?
reputation based on gender is/was wildly different
fascinating stuff

 

[Dungeness]

Indians never doubted the ability of Chinese soldiers

Indians are enamored by honor and selfless sacrifice of the Peacebuilding National Army and East Hebei Army in maintaining stability of Chinese nation at a time of chaos

Wang Jinwei military exploits are folktales among Indian military circles

Mao, founding father of China himself has taken the first step of recognizing the role of Peacebuilding National Army and East Hebei Army in nation building of modern China

Hopefully Chinese people can recognize their sacrifices too and make movie on East Hebei Army's valiancy against unbeatable odds during Beiping–Tianjin battle

Autonomous Government of East Hobei （冀东防共自治政府）was a Japanese puppet government of 1930's. What did it have anything to do with India?

Back then, some Indians might have been hired as security guards from disbanned Peace Preservation Corps. Much like those tall sikh guards standing in front of Banks in some Chinese cities in olds days, hired for their scary mustaches and long sticks, not for their fighting skills or spirits. By the way, that was how that derogatory term started. Any self-respected Indian today really shouldn't take pride for being mercenary for old colonial masters.

You are an old timer here, so I would like to know your responses to recently "leaked" photos of Indian soldiers. Do you think they are fake, just like most of Internet Indians? Why GOI and your media have not responded to those viral photos?

Thanks.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Autonomous Government of East Hobei （冀东防共自治政府）was a Japanese puppet government of 1930's. What did it have anything to do with India?

You were the one who brought the topic Indian perception of Chinese soldiers

 

[OIO]

UK immigration happened in the 50s- 60s when they were rebuilding their economy so they needed workers
They brought all our rural population to UK as their industrial workforce for post war years

during that time Germany was also looking at rural Pakistan for its workforce - I wonder what happened but in the end they brought Turks

US or North America in general on the other hand is recent and from urban population
Indian rural population never went out
only their cream immigrates

Asian men were always second-class citizens of dating scene but Asian women were total opposite
A lot of men really fetishize them - that's across the board including brown, black, white men

I wonder why this happened?
reputation based on gender is/was wildly different
fascinating stuff

These are the changes in the last 20 years and the rise of neoliberalism. Asians actually mainly mean that the Chinese are not included in political correctness.

Another reason is that the beginning of anti-intellectualism in the West almost coincides with the rise of neoliberalism.

The situation is changing, although the Western media are still attacking and discrediting China.

The West has also been influencing China's public opinion trying to get the Chinese to accept blacks and other dark-skinned people. The rational Chinese are very disgusted with this.

Personally, I am very not optimistic about the future ethnic relations in the West, including religious relations.

 

[52051]

These are the changes in the last 20 years and the rise of neoliberalism. Asians actually mainly mean that the Chinese are not included in political correctness.

Another reason is that the beginning of anti-intellectualism in the West almost coincides with the rise of neoliberalism.

The situation is changing, although the Western media are still attacking and discrediting China.

The West has also been influencing China's public opinion trying to get the Chinese to accept blacks and other dark-skinned people. The rational Chinese are very disgusted with this.

Personally, I am very not optimistic about the future ethnic relations in the West, including religious relations.

Actually the west cultural influence in China declined rapidly in recent years, especially among the youth and younger people, my wife now only prefer Huawei's phone, she would rather wait for the real Huawei phone than update to the latest iPhone, most of her female friends are like that, which explain the decline of the mobile phone sales as a whole in China recently.

The situation is partly because of the living condition improvement in China, and an even larger part is because of the poor handling of COVID exposed the west as somewhat hype in the eyes of Chinese.

In China's culture, people admire doers and despise pretenders, the COVID-19 happen to expose the west more or less as a huge pretenders, in the eyes of Chinese.

 

[MH.Yang]

From military and entertainment standpoint of view, the only ambush that is worth watching on film is the one that achieve great victory, either total annihilation or crippling, such as Lin Biao's ambush on Japanese in 1937 and US battle of midway battle in 1942. Both were tough nuts to crack and both demonstrated great bravery and ingenuity.

But this one didn't achieve annihilation nor crippling. It is not fun to watch your own kind to die bravely without much to show for. For the same reason, I never watched any film on Nanjing massacre. I watch films to feel better, not to feel sad.

In fact, at the same stage, the 38th and 42nd armies of China's right wing did much better than the battle of Changjin lake on the left.
The 38th and 42nd armies on the right wing had fewer troops than the enemy, only 100k people, but they defeated the American 8th army group and the Korean 2nd army group through flexible tactics, total annihilation the Korean 7th and 8th divisions, and seriously damaged the American 9th and 1st armies, more than 60% of the 2nd division of USA were killed and missing.
But the fighting of the 38th and 42nd armies has been very smooth without much difficulty. And the Chinese people all know that the 38th army is China's first trump card army, and the 2nd division of the US Army is not a trump card. If such a war is made into a film, I'm afraid it's not exciting enough.
The Changjin Lake battlefield has the 8th group army of USA, the 1st division, the 3rd Infantry Division and the 7th infantry division of the Marine Corps. And South Korea's ace first group army. What a dazzling lineup. And they also happen to be the American Army (1st Marine Division & 3rd Infantry Division) that occupied Baghdad in the Iraq war. Moreover, the war was fierce and wonderful. Finally, the U.S. military was severely damaged, crippling the 1st division of the U.S. Marine Corps, and all the 31st polar bear regiment of the USA were wiped out. The Chinese army also paid a great price. Such a war is obviously more attractive to the audience.

 

[kankan326]

In fact, at the same stage, the 38th and 42nd armies of China's right wing did much better than the battle of Changjin lake on the left.
The 38th and 42nd armies on the right wing had fewer troops than the enemy, only 100k people, but they defeated the American 8th army group and the Korean 2nd army group through flexible tactics, total annihilation the Korean 7th and 8th divisions, and seriously damaged the American 9th and 1st armies, more than 60% of the 2nd division of USA were killed and missing.
But the fighting of the 38th and 42nd armies has been very smooth without much difficulty. And the Chinese people all know that the 38th army is China's first trump card army, and the 2nd division of the US Army is not a trump card. If such a war is made into a film, I'm afraid it's not exciting enough.
The Changjin Lake battlefield has the 8th group army of USA, the 1st division, the 3rd Infantry Division and the 7th infantry division of the Marine Corps. And South Korea's ace first group army. What a dazzling lineup. And they also happen to be the American Army (1st Marine Division & 3rd Infantry Division) that occupied Baghdad in the Iraq war. Moreover, the war was fierce and wonderful. Finally, the U.S. military was severely damaged, crippling the 1st division of the U.S. Marine Corps, and all the 31st polar bear regiment of the USA were wiped out. The Chinese army also paid a great price. Such a war is obviously more attractive to the audience.

The extremely cold weather saved US 1st division. Too bad luck didn't stand on China's side.

 

[Song Hong]

The extremely cold weather saved US 1st division. Too bad luck didn't stand on China's side.

I guess it is US bombers who saved them. These bombers carved out a corridor in brute force.

 

[kankan326]

I guess it is US bombers who saved them. These bombers carved out a corridor in brute force.

Not really. The cold weather remarkably weakened Chinese soldiers combat effectiveness. Otherwise US bombers could not help much

 

[Viet]

The battle at Lake Changjin is a masterpiece movie and carefully made it touches on all the necessary elements such as the Americans being given a true depiction as dislikeable arrogant and also one thing I thought was unique about the movie is the level of intensity and this movie just goes from intensity to intensity and that was brillantly done.

You can even feel the amount of intensity in the trailer it just keeps increasing

a bombastic propaganda movie. Just to instigate a nationalistic sentiment.

 

[tower9]

UK immigration happened in the 50s- 60s when they were rebuilding their economy so they needed workers
They brought all our rural population to UK as their industrial workforce for post war years

during that time Germany was also looking at rural Pakistan for its workforce - I wonder what happened but in the end they brought Turks

US or North America in general on the other hand is recent and from urban population
Indian rural population never went out
only their cream immigrates

Asian men were always second-class citizens of dating scene but Asian women were total opposite
A lot of men really fetishize them - that's across the board including brown, black, white men

I wonder why this happened?
reputation based on gender is/was wildly different
fascinating stuff

Well, it's a combination of many factors but obviously media representation was the most important part. Asian men were ridiculed in the Western media for many decades so that was a huge hurdle to get across. The fact that the positive imagery put forth by the Korean pop culture industry has reversed the fortunes for Asian men is proof of how powerful the media is, especially how you are represented.

As far as how East Asian women have been sexualized, a lot of it has to do with Western colonization and imperialism in Asia and how Asian women were seen as exotic, subservient prizes for the White man. I mean outside of the US bases in Japan, Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, there were tens of thousands of prostitutes, so I am sure that's how the imagery of the Asian women solidified. In twisted contrast, while White GI's were fucking Asian prostitutes, they were literally killing Asian men in the Korean War and Vietnam War, so if you take that into account, you can see why there was a vast gulf in how Asian men vs Asian women were represented.

 

[nang2]

In fact, at the same stage, the 38th and 42nd armies of China's right wing did much better than the battle of Changjin lake on the left.
The 38th and 42nd armies on the right wing had fewer troops than the enemy, only 100k people, but they defeated the American 8th army group and the Korean 2nd army group through flexible tactics, total annihilation the Korean 7th and 8th divisions, and seriously damaged the American 9th and 1st armies, more than 60% of the 2nd division of USA were killed and missing.
But the fighting of the 38th and 42nd armies has been very smooth without much difficulty. And the Chinese people all know that the 38th army is China's first trump card army, and the 2nd division of the US Army is not a trump card. If such a war is made into a film, I'm afraid it's not exciting enough.
The Changjin Lake battlefield has the 8th group army of USA, the 1st division, the 3rd Infantry Division and the 7th infantry division of the Marine Corps. And South Korea's ace first group army. What a dazzling lineup. And they also happen to be the American Army (1st Marine Division & 3rd Infantry Division) that occupied Baghdad in the Iraq war. Moreover, the war was fierce and wonderful. Finally, the U.S. military was severely damaged, crippling the 1st division of the U.S. Marine Corps, and all the 31st polar bear regiment of the USA were wiped out. The Chinese army also paid a great price. Such a war is obviously more attractive to the audience.

1st Marine division came back to the battle field in a month. I don't call it crippled. If that is called "crippling", what would you say to the 9th Army Group that was absent for at least 3 months afterwards? The 31st regiment, which is really the 31st Regimental Combat Team that was made by mostly by 2 battalions of the 31st, was really crippled with the survivors forming a small-size battalion. They have lost most of their officers.

In the military, at least in Chinese military, the key to evaluate a battle is to see if it has achieved its objective. Casualty is a secondary consideration. If the objective of the 9th Army Group was to drive the American force off the north Korea, then the battle was clearly a victory. The casualty, though large, is still worth it. If the objective is to annihilate the 1st Marine division, then it was a failure. The casualty is not so worth it.

These are the changes in the last 20 years and the rise of neoliberalism. Asians actually mainly mean that the Chinese are not included in political correctness.

Another reason is that the beginning of anti-intellectualism in the West almost coincides with the rise of neoliberalism.

The situation is changing, although the Western media are still attacking and discrediting China.

The West has also been influencing China's public opinion trying to get the Chinese to accept blacks and other dark-skinned people. The rational Chinese are very disgusted with this.

Personally, I am very not optimistic about the future ethnic relations in the West, including religious relations.

Can you even define neoliberalism?

 

[j20blackdragon]

because the world is dominated by American and South Korean entertainment and China is nowhere close.

Not anymore. Covid-19 has battered the North American box office so badly that Chinese comedies are now routinely outperforming big-budget MCU films.

However, if China wants to have soft power on par with South Korea, let alone the US, it will have to create films that foreign audiences WANT to watch.

I think you have it in reverse. As long as China remains the world's largest film market, foreign film studios will be forced to cater to the Chinese audience if they want to make money. That's how supply and demand works. If there is demand for patriotic war movies in China, someone smart will supply it. The weak will always cater to the strong. The small will cater to the large. Don't compare China to a U.S. protectorate like South Korea.

I'll give an example from this year: Shang-Chi.

Shang-Chi is currently the highest-grossing U.S. domestic film in 2021, surpassing Black Widow strangely enough. It has a Chinese-Canadian male lead. It was probably designed by Disney to be a cash grab for Chinese money. Even funnier, it failed to secure a release date in China, so the bulk of the box office must have come from foreigners. Disney still made it, and foreigners still watched it.

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