The myth of a Sunni-Shia war

[Aramagedon]

So better read it complete with cool mind and if you dont get it first time read it again and if you want to discuss, you can ask me.

Well you said "the moment you single out one of them you are playing sectarian game", the answer of your writing is, we must respect tradical Sunni Shia Islam and single out extremist versions that are making troubles for our societies. Just today wahhabi thugs (Saudis) killed 70 Shia Muslims in Iraq in a suicide attack. Before Salafism and wahhabism there was zero stupidity, hate and bleeding between Muslims.

Unlike Iran that always say : Shias and Sunnis are brothers from same religion, tens of Saudi tv channels and sites are spreading hate and hatred between fellow Muslims and too sadly we see the filthy outcome in Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan and Nigeria.

Since American invasion to Iraq in 2003 1.5 million Iraqi Muslims are killed by suicide attacks and most of suiciders (more than 60%) are saudis.

@f1000n @SALMAN F @Malik Alashter @Irfan Baloch

f1000n is a Sunni but he hates Saudi made versions of Islam as much as a Shia. Saudi made versions of Islam and what prophet Muhammad (Sawas) brought from God are completely two different things. Saudi petro dollars are spreading terrorism in the world in name of Islam even right now while it is their own culture Not Islam. The first saudis martyred household of Prophet Muhammad yet saudis claim they are leaders of Muslims and they are teaching Muslims true Islam. Their evil medias are boardcasting craps instead of whatever that can be called Islam...

I don't care about random Pakistanis here anyway you are welcome to think Wahhabism shit and terrorism is Persian Arab war. Khudahafiz

 

[Banglar Bir]

MERELY THE OUT COME OF A BRILLIANTLY CRAFTED DESIGN OF THE EVIL ZIONISTS AND THEIR ALLIES,BY UNLEASHING MILLIONS OF INNOCENT DEATHS AND DESTRUCTION,DEVASTATION OF NEARLY ALL MUSLIM POPULATED STATES, IN THEIR SO CALLED " GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR(GWOT"), ON THE PRETEXT OF 9/11, ANOTHER FALSE FLAG OPS CARRIED OUT BY MOSSAD+ CIA.

CONTROL OF HYDRO CARBON VAST RESERVES+FURTHER ILLEGAL EXPANSION OF THE ZIONIST EMPIRE ARE THE MAIN FACTORS+ STUPIDITY, IGNORANCE/ BETRAYAL BY SO CALLED MUSLIMS ARE ALSO TO BE EQUALLY BLAMED.

 

[The SC]

It is mainly a political issue, more precisely a question of political perceptions by the GCC and Iran, it has started in Bahrein, it has the flag of Shia vs Sunni because it just happens that one part has a Sunni madhab (way) and the other a Shiaa madhab, but that is secondary to the political orientations of both, one is to preserve a somehow democratic monarchy and the other is to export the Islamic revolution everywhere in the Muslim world because of a very bad experience with the Iranian monarchy.. The GCC has thus some red lines against any meddling in its internal affairs, and Iran is attracted to these internal affairs of the GCC by some forces both internal and external to the region in order to cultivate the seeds of hatred between both parties..it is primarily political with an added sectarian dimension in this way the GCC will keep its Shiaa population integrated into the system and prevent any spread of the Iranian Islamic revolution.. the consequence go beyond this and englobes Oil and Gas pricing, the economy, the military and everything that is a political instrument to pressure each other to reason.. like if they need all this display to get there!

 

[padamchen]

Coincidentally, Hasan Suroor, author and social commentator, makes some pertinent points in his piece in the Times today, titled "Islam's Existential Crisis"

Personally I feel a lot of Muslims the world over are busy burying their heads in the sand by either blaming the Americans or the Jews or the so called racial schism between the Arabs and the Persians for what is happening within their faith today.

It is neither so simple or so convenient.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Anyone else bored to death with this Shia v Sunni crap?

Coincidentally, Hasan Suroor, author and social commentator, makes some pertinent points in his piece in the Times today, titled "Islam's Existential Crisis"

Personally I feel a lot of Muslims the world over are busy burying their heads in the sand by either blaming the Americans or the Jews or the so called racial schism between the Arabs and the Persians for what is happening within their faith today.

It is neither so simple or so convenient.

Maybe you cannot blame the Americans or Jews, but, they will win out of this

 

[padamchen]

Anyone else bored to death with this Shia v Sunni crap?

Sorry to disappoint but not me. I cannot rip my eyes away. Much as when you pass a massive pileup on the highway. You know you are probably going to see some limbs and gore, but your eyes get pulled there even when you will them otherwise.

Maybe you cannot blame the Americans or Jews, but, they will win out of this

I honestly do not see this being anything more than about control of world oil. The clash of civilizations bit, that boat sailed a long time ago. Probably with your now long-dead namesakes. Within the region its probably a very very old blood feud between two groups of people. Superimposed on that is the more recent split within Islam which probably started with the passing away of your Prophet. I don't see the genesis of that split as anything more than a political family feud at its very essence. That it now splits close to two billion people is purely sequential. Its overlayers woven layer upon layer by progressive generations and periods of history.

Hope that explains how a non Muslim sees the whole mess looking in from outside.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Sorry to disappoint but not me.

Would it surprise you if I said i wasn't surprised. I feel like i know a lot more after our little(long) chat yesterday.

I honestly do not see this being anything more than about control of world oil.

Of course it's not. This is about Shia v Sunni, Salafis, Wahabbis, Mullahs etc ...
Oh fine, maybe just a little bit about oil.

Within the region its probably a very very old blood feud between two groups of people. Superimposed on that is the more recent split within Islam

You must be enjoying this.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Exactly, it is a arab persian power struggle that the idiots(like many on this forum) who follows their brainwashing believe as a Shia Sunni issue

you simply saying that shia following iran while sunnis follow sauids?

this only half of the truth
the other half is sectarian reasons no doubt since those who targeting shia, like it happened yesterday was for sectarian reason for sure.

yes we know some Arab regimes struggles for power we know its to them all political reasons but that doesn't deny the reality of them using sectarian people to do the job!!!

I'm talking about Iraq solely sunnis of Iraq couldn't swallow the truth of Shiite government in Baghdad
look at this old sunni man of Iraq in this conference.

he screams why don't you call it the conference of supporting the Iraqi sunnis!!!

this is a clear sectarian call this a clear sectarian conference since then suicide cars and suiciders hit Shiite towns every time possible.

hopefully I don't get banned just replying to you. You have good intentions but not all people do and iraqis Shiite we are the one paying the heavy price just because share the rule with other parts of Iraqis.

I'll give you this.

Iraq never suffered from suicide bomber attacks in its history till after the invasion. Go figure.

this guy just trying to ignore a fact which is not a solution at all we need to point our fingers to those who talk on behalf of sunnis hijacking the whole branch of Islam spreading hate and killing merely on religious bases yet we find people diverting the whole matter away from its cause come on Wake up before its too late.

 

[Baba Google]

Exactly, it is a arab persian power struggle that the idiots(like many on this forum) who follows their brainwashing believe as a Shia Sunni issue

Sir g, plz do not delete sarcastic comments from threads.

Thank you

hopefully I don't get banned just replying to you.

Chill out sir g, its not the end of the world is it? U are a follower of school of Ahlul-Bayt, getting banned is nothing new to u... So u better be ready for anything which comes at u.

we need to point our fingers to those who talk on behalf of sunnis hijacking the whole branch of Islam spreading hate and killing merely on religious bases

There is only one solution, ban ibn tehmiyya and co and we're all good.

Good day

 

[Malik Alashter]

Chill out sir g, its not the end of the world is it? U are a follower of school of Ahlul-Bayt, getting banned is nothing new to u... So u better be ready for anything which comes at u.

Just make me rule the shiite of Iraq and I'll make Wahhabis hope they never mess with us its a filthy world has no room for saints.

 

[Baba Google]

Just make me rule the shiite of Iraq and I'll make Wahhabis hope they never mess with us

Oh I have no doubt about it, after reading ur nick (id) im pretty certain, u will.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Captain Obvious, now just add USA and Russia. Neither Persians nor Arabs will win, and they stopped listening to their brains.

 

[Major d1]

I think we should ignore those people s comment who have no idea about the related issue.

 

[EasyNow]

I think we should ignore those people s comment who have no idea about the related issue.

Who? The actual shia and sunni who are commenting? In fact, it's quite revealing to hear real people's views

Its much more than an Arab / Persian war. It may have started that way, but that fight has been spread across the world using sectarianism.

 

[ebrahym]

since everyone (including me) consider this to be persian-Arabian war
we need to go to the roots of it
of course persians had troubles with Arab dominated caliphates
but the fact is that they both were for a period of time unified by ottomons
now looking at the current history
this divide clearly started with he Great war which brought end to Ottomon empire and with it our golden age
if only Turks would have been smart they could have saved all of us
but putting all the blame on anatolians
thats not justice
that is where Iran's mistake come and yes for present conflict i can put a bit of blame on Iran
theiir revolution has been the next worse thing for Muslim world after great war
but as every action has a reaction
Arabians, or better , Saudis over reacted when their ally was overthrown
and countering Iranian influence started exporting their wahabism
that i think is not bad
but making it specifically radical and anti-shiite
it makes it bad

so these were three events which led to our doom
feedback will be appreciated keeping in mind my siignature
regards from ebrahym

@XenoEnsi-14 @padamchen
it will be appericiated if you will kindly just read rather than commenting
no offense i dont question your intentions but people might misunderstand your opinion
let the thread go above ten pages and no one will give a damn then
we can disscuss the issue to death after that