The mystery of what Pakistan wants in Afghanistan.

[xataxsata]

What pakistan want in Afghanistan is Taliban as per USA/India/Afghanistan.

Period.

 

[Solomon2]

Pakistan will NOT allow Afghanistan to be used as a hostile land against Pakistan. It simply wont be allowed

So we have to give serious consideration to the thought that the Afghans are correct when they assert that Pakistan is working to create and extend anarchy in Afghanistan and not to "solve" anything at all. This does, after all, go hand-in-glove with the goal of keeping the Army supreme in all Pakistani affairs - an objective less in Pakistani interests, imo, than in the general's own.

Perhaps more than Pakistanis realize they are close to being declared terror supporters by the U.N. itself. That will leave Pakistan with the choice of arrest and prosecution at home or abroad or staining the honor of the nation by publicly harboring dirty generals. How much better the chance of avoiding prosecution (or mere dismissal by civilians) than by promoting disorder and conflict with near neighbors?

 

[Perceptron]

It doesn't matter what source i bring to the table. You with your indian tinted spectacles will be selective with your choice in what you want to believe. Frankly im not here to passify your needs and desires. Even if you limit your official line of consulates as 4 - its a stupid figure.
You have 3 in the UK and 3 in Canada and 2 in France yet incredibly 4 in Afghanistan. The mystery that Pakistan has about Afghanistan is why have you got 4? Answer the question directly without diversifying and going off at a tangent. We both know why but lets see if you have the ability of being honest.
I believe your nation is heavily involved in destabilizing Pakistan by supporting terrorist activity- you know it and i know it.
If you dont agree - lets agree to disagree.

I suppose you meant digressing ; On topic, Do you know we have 4 consulates in Australia ? And just 1 in China ? Numbers by themselves do not mean anything at all. The number of consulates at any instant depends upon a number of factors, like investments, security concerns and so on. Do you know that currently India has huge mining interests in Australia just like it has in Afghanistan ? Do you know the annual trade growth between India-Australia in the last half a decade ? But no, you do not want to remove those green-tints, and simply will not get over your paranoia on Indian role in Afghanistan.

Let me show you the bigger picture. No one in the region, and i mean NO ONE, wants to see the Taliban back in power. This includes NATO (goes without saying), Russia, India and surprise-surprise, Iran. What they want is a balance of power to be established in which Iran has a bigger hand to see the Taliban outed more than Russia and India put together. Let me go further on this. If the US somehow (inconceivable at this moment) makes Iran compromise on its stand of its Nuclear program, a backchannel mode gets opened in which Iran gets a bigger chunk of its role in Afghanistan, which will further put Pakistan and Iran at cross-hairs over Pakistan's support to the Taliban.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

What pakistan want in Afghanistan is Taliban as per USA/India/Afghanistan.

Period.

actually as of late, it's the Americans who are making the most noise about talking with taleban and integrating them, etc.

the western media and of course the indians always love to exaggerate Pakistan's role in the whole thing. . . a role we certainly have and our role can not be ignored --as seen during our absence from the Bonn conference -- however what Pakistan wants is stability and peace in Afghanistan, with a friendly government that is not hostile towards us.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

So we have to give serious consideration to the thought that the Afghans are correct when they assert that Pakistan is working to create and extend anarchy in Afghanistan and not to "solve" anything at all.

without Pakistan there is still anarchy in Afghanistan.....in line with your character, you give us too much credit

This does, after all, go hand-in-glove with the goal of keeping the Army supreme in all Pakistani affairs - an objective less in Pakistani interests, imo, than in the general's own.

well if what you say is true, thank the civilians for forcing the army to step in everytime (with the people supporting the Army)

Perhaps more than Pakistanis realize they are close to being declared terror supporters by the U.N. itself.

no we arent....and how convenient of you to bring up the UN!!!

when did the US care about what the UN says?

That will leave Pakistan with the choice of arrest and prosecution at home or abroad or staining the honor of the nation by publicly harboring dirty generals. How much better the chance of avoiding prosecution (or mere dismissal by civilians) than by promoting disorder and conflict with near neighbors?

You're smarter than that Suleyman; surely you could have done a bit better than that?

didnt US/NATO actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other countries help create disorder and conflict? Damn, lets not even talk about Latin America.

 

[seethru]

It doesn't matter what source i bring to the table. You with your indian tinted spectacles will be selective with your choice in what you want to believe. Frankly im not here to passify your needs and desires. Even if you limit your official line of consulates as 4 - its a stupid figure.
You have 3 in the UK and 3 in Canada and 2 in France yet incredibly 4 in Afghanistan. The mystery that Pakistan has about Afghanistan is why have you got 4? Answer the question directly without diversifying and going off at a tangent. We both know why but lets see if you have the ability of being honest.
I believe your nation is heavily involved in destabilizing Pakistan by supporting terrorist activity- you know it and i know it.
If you dont agree - lets agree to disagree.

Do you know how many Afghan students study in India?

 

[zip]

Dilemma of pakistani establishments should be considered by all the parties who wants a stable afganistan..it is natural for nationalistic people to consider every development with an eyebrow raised ..
There were mistakes in past by pakistani establishment ..but one should give an window of opportunity to peace loving public if any ... If current trend continues then it only add to the support of fundamentalist taking whole country in to the chaos.. Pakistan should be taken in to confidence and make them believe a stable afganistan is in their interest ..
Having said these there is a great chance that religious hawks can take this chance to establish their writ on the country in pretexts of national interest ..finally moderate voice should be given enough strength to come out of this mess ...otherwise everything will be more messed up than actually it was befor this war on terror

 

[seethru]

Dilemma of pakistani establishments should be considered by all the parties who wants a stable afganistan..it is natural for nationalistic people to consider every development with an eyebrow raised ..
There were mistakes in past by pakistani establishment ..but one should give an window of opportunity to peace loving public if any ... If current trend continues then it only add to the support of fundamentalist taking whole country in to the chaos.. Pakistan should be taken in to confidence and make them believe a stable afganistan is in their interest ..
Having said these there is a great chance that religious hawks can take this chance to establish their writ on the country in pretexts of national interest ..finally moderate voice should be given enough strength to come out of this mess ...otherwise everything will be more messed up than actually it was befor this war on terror

Are you Indian expat in Nepal or a Nepali living in India/naturalized Indian ? Not that it matters but just wanted to know.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Do you know how many Afghan students study in India?

your ''consulates'' in Afghanistan are conveniently located close to our borders.....and they sure as hell aint issuing tourist visas or student visas to Afghans

suffice to say, we are monitoring the enemy's actions.....time to time they had to learn the hard way about what happens when they mess with Pakistan and use Afghanistan in a hostile manner. It's most unfortunate, actually.

 

[mymeaningislion]

The reason is simple ; India has been making a huge investment in infrastructure, mining, and other endeavors which require security to be provided by the Indian government for their personnel. This means more manpower and hence heavy human traffic which cannot be handled by a single consulate alone. Can you give me a GoI source which states the presence of 8 consulates in Afghanistan ? We have only four of them fully functioning right now.

ok now you want us to present you top secret documents to show that india is running a proxy terrorism in in balochistan via afghanistan.....gentlman don't act like you haven't done something ............i have a simple question if talal bughti is against pak govt and supporting the terrorism then why this person is recieved in mumbai by RAW officers..... we know more then your self

 

[zip]

Hi seethru ...
I am an indian living in bangalore ..i was born in nepal ..my parents are indian ..my father used to work there ..when my eyes started recognising things i was in india ..

 

[GORKHALI]

As if the GoI are going to confirm the official number of consulates exist in Afghanistan? Stop being that naive.
The official line is they have 4 and 13 "information centers". Why the hell have you got 13 information centers? Is that 1 for each Indian citizen in Afghanistan?

India spent the money in Afghanistan so that it could build a base of operations against Pakistan. One of the prime directives of the RAW was to destabilize Pakistan. Asif Haroon Raja sheds light on the developments in Afghanistan and RAWs machinations in Kabul. It is run by Delhi. Officially there are only 4 Consulates and 13 “Information Centers“. But each fake “Consulate” has “Consular offices“, and each “Information center” has “Sub-sections” and “Desks”. In addition the Indian companies that are working in Afghanistan allow the Indian RAW agencies open access to the facilities and the offices.

RAW: Anatomy of Indian Intelligence Services and Alliances | Rupee News

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[fd24]

I suppose you meant digressing ; On topic, Do you know we have 4 consulates in Australia ? And just 1 in China ? Numbers by themselves do not mean anything at all. The number of consulates at any instant depends upon a number of factors, like investments, security concerns and so on. Do you know that currently India has huge mining interests in Australia just like it has in Afghanistan ? Do you know the annual trade growth between India-Australia in the last half a decade ? But no, you do not want to remove those green-tints, and simply will not get over your paranoia on Indian role in Afghanistan.

Let me show you the bigger picture. No one in the region, and i mean NO ONE, wants to see the Taliban back in power. This includes NATO (goes without saying), Russia, India and surprise-surprise, Iran. What they want is a balance of power to be established in which Iran has a bigger hand to see the Taliban outed more than Russia and India put together. Let me go further on this. If the US somehow (inconceivable at this moment) makes Iran compromise on its stand of its Nuclear program, a backchannel mode gets opened in which Iran gets a bigger chunk of its role in Afghanistan, which will further put Pakistan and Iran at cross-hairs over Pakistan's support to the Taliban.

Alas - i was somewhat expecting a ducking of answering the question. We are both aware there are no need for 4 consulates in Afghanistan. As a Pakistani this is a mystery to me as regards to Afganistan. It will remain a mystery to all of us as, with respect, you fail to give us an answer worthy of being an answer.
I would love to explore "the bigger picture" but that would clearly be off topic. What i will say is - Pakistan, Iran, China, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan have borders with Afghanistan and what happens in that country is of paramount interest to these nations, especially Pakistan who has fought a long battle against the WOT and has over 10 million refugees in our lands. Why are you having the need to bring India into the equation? Why do you feel the need to "big" your nation and put them in the field of negotiation in what happens in this region? Why are you having wet dreams about Afganistan? Only Indians have a concern about having a concern about Afghanistan. Your nation should stick to sorting its own issues rather attempting to destabilizing our nation via Afghanistan. The obsession has to stop mate. Thats the mystery us Pakistanis have.
Have a nice evening Percreptron

 

[livingdead]

I think India is doing something funny in those consulates. Its a proxy war between India and pakistan in afganistan.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

What Pakistan wants to know and wants is why has India 8 to 12 consulates in a country like Afghanistan? Are their so many tourists their or are India interested in some other activity??? Aaaaaaaaaaah - the obsession is clear for all to view.

The same Reason why Pak Aline operates 2 Fights to nepal on weekly basis on loss with no tourists flows their. Only entry of PAK national and no exist recorded.

The same reason PAK ambassador of Nepal caught with Fake Indian currency.